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fish5133 Site Admin
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Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 10:24 pm Post subject: George Monbiot "peer-reviewed" |
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The following is a paragraph in a George Monbiot Guardian article Nov 14 2006 as he debunks global warming conspiracy. Maybe he should have a worthwhile discussion with Steven Jones and his peer reviewed papers ref 911
" A scientific paper is one published in a peer-reviewed scientific journal. This means it has been subject to scrutiny by other experts in the field. This doesn't suggest that it's the last word on the subject, but it does mean it is worth discussing."
link http://www.guardian.co.uk/Columnists/Column/0,,1947246,00.html
Copy of letter posted to Mr Monbiot
Your article 14th Nov. 2006 ref global warming
" A scientific paper is one published in a peer-reviewed scientific journal. This means it has been subject to scrutiny by other experts in the field. This doesn't suggest that it's the last word on the subject, but it does mean it is worth discussing."
Perhaps it would have been worth your while discussing Professor Steven Jones peer reviewed papers regarding the collapse of the Twin Towers prior to your article rubbishing 911 conspiracies.
Also perhaps a look at the list of respected Senior Military, Intelligence, Law Enforcement, and Government Critics of 9/11 Commission Report
http://patriotsquestion911.com/
And also the following:
Michael Meacher MP, Richard Clarke, Republican Congressman Curt Weldon, Sibel Edmonds (FBI interpreter), Josef Bodansky, (director of the Congressional Task Force on Terrorism and Unconventional Warfare), David Shayler (former MI5 officer), Morgan Reynolds (economist in GW Bush administration), Scott Ritter (UN Weapons Inspector), Republican Congressman Ron Paul (2, 3), Andreas von Buelow (2) (German government minister), Indira Singh (whistleblower), Max Cleland (Former 9/11 Commissioner), US Green Party (2), Fire Engineering Magazine, Greg Palast (BBC journalist), Catherine Austin Fitts, Charles Grassley (Republican Senator), David Schippers (Attorney), Peter Dale Scott (1),William Rodriguez, Gore Vidal (journalist), Cynthia McKinney (US Congress), former ISI director-general Lt-Gen Mahmud Ahmad, Dan Ellsberg (Former Special Assistant to the Assistant Secretary of Defense (ISA), DOD), over 100 family members (1,2, 3), senior military, intelligence, and government critics of 9/11 Commission Report and many, many more
yours respectfully |
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QuitTheirClogs Trustworthy Freedom Fighter
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Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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Monbiot wrote: | So which was the august journal that published it? Science? Nature? Geophysical Research Letters? Not quite. It was the Sunday Telegraph. In keeping with most of the articles about climate change in that publication, it is a mixture of cherry-picking, downright misrepresentation and pseudo-scientific gibberish. But it has the virtue of being incomprehensible to anyone who is not an atmospheric physicist. |
So is the Sunday Telegraph a step up, or a step down, from Popular Mechanics? _________________ Simon - http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/
David Ray Griffin - 9/11: the Myth & the Reality
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-275577066688213413 |
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Zabooka Moderate Poster
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Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 12:49 am Post subject: |
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Hi... I was wondering, why John Pilger's name is on the list.
I personally spoke with him. He doesn't really want to have anything to do with 911 Truth it seems. |
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fish5133 Site Admin
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Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 12:32 pm Post subject: |
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Pilgers name on the list due to "lazy" research. The list was cut and pasted from this websites home page. |
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rodin Validated Poster
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Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 2:26 pm Post subject: |
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Zabooka wrote: | Hi... I was wondering, why John Pilger's name is on the list.
I personally spoke with him. He doesn't really want to have anything to do with 911 Truth it seems. |
It is quite remarkable how many 'credible' people will not touch 911. I do not think this is simply a spontaneous/independent decision on their part in all or even most cases. I suspect many are connected to societies etc. and are toeing a line. The media is locked up, and that includes most media stars. Corrupting someone is dead easy. Hell, if some Zionist gave me a million quid to shut up and retire from causing trouble I'd have to think twice. Second time I'd likely turn them down, but you get my drift...
Then of course there are threats to friends and family. Not to mention records of where one may have commited an indiscretion - possibly after have been deliberately enticed into doing it...
Many are the ways in which the Creature can ensnare... _________________ Belief is the Enemy of Truth www.dissential.com |
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rodin Validated Poster
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Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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Another way the creature can demolish free press - advertising. I once wrote an accurate review of a piece of audio equipment. It was rejected because it was not favourable enough to the advertiser.
This is why all press advertising should be outlawed. Just get an internet presence. Do not mix adding with news! That is how the fourth estate has been taken over. _________________ Belief is the Enemy of Truth www.dissential.com |
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TonyGosling Editor
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hampton Validated Poster
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Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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any good journalists are soon taught to toe the line by their editors rejecting their pieces.
they, like many people, are well within their comfort zone and anything that may upset the status quo will be instinctively rejected.
they are bribed like the rest of us and feel secure because everyone around them is in the same boat. Just like car drivers, meat eaters, plane passengers, etc. _________________ Have No Fear! Peace, Love & Hemp is here!
Remember Tank Man (Tiananmen Sq) |
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Zabooka Moderate Poster
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Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 2:26 am Post subject: |
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John Pilger never ever toes the line!
It is because of this fact that he has won more awards than anyone else for his life time's work as a journalist more than anyone ever has. John Pilger is beyond any editor.
As a result of this fact, I have nearly every single documentary of his and every single book of his, plus I continue to read his works. |
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rodin Validated Poster
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Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 3:19 am Post subject: |
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The fact that he has won awards is a red flag _________________ Belief is the Enemy of Truth www.dissential.com |
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DrJazzz Minor Poster
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Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 4:47 am Post subject: |
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Zabooka wrote: | Hi... I was wondering, why John Pilger's name is on the list.
I personally spoke with him. He doesn't really want to have anything to do with 911 Truth it seems. | Interesting. I had a very brief but meaningful exchange with him a while back on this. I think he's being very careful of how he commits himself. Have you got an email for him? |
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Jack Moderate Poster
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Zabooka Moderate Poster
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Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 1:47 am Post subject: |
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rodin wrote: | The fact that he has won awards is a red flag |
Rodin, what do you know about the awards he won? Any idea how he won them?
A lot of his awards are ones given to him by other journalists voting for him, nominating him... not elites, or editors.
Rodin, have you ever met the man? How many of his books have you read, how many of his documentaries have you seen?
I can not tolerate such baseless accusations and speculations.
If you have more on this to clarify your opinion on this to me, please do so. John Pilger will as far as I know remain as someone I look upto and take inspiration from. |
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hampton Validated Poster
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Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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i like pilger but it would be nice if he could do a piece on 911.
his journalistic weight might be the final straw. _________________ Have No Fear! Peace, Love & Hemp is here!
Remember Tank Man (Tiananmen Sq) |
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rodin Validated Poster
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Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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Zabooka wrote: | rodin wrote: | The fact that he has won awards is a red flag |
Rodin, what do you know about the awards he won? Any idea how he won them?
A lot of his awards are ones given to him by other journalists voting for him, nominating him... not elites, or editors.
Rodin, have you ever met the man? How many of his books have you read, how many of his documentaries have you seen?
I can not tolerate such baseless accusations and speculations.
If you have more on this to clarify your opinion on this to me, please do so. John Pilger will as far as I know remain as someone I look upto and take inspiration from. |
911 is the Journalists' Holocaust. They dare not be seen as a denier. I suppose I was a bit harsh on Pilger if the awards were from peers rather than 'the gr8 & the good'.
Also, saying that awards were a 'red flag' was inferring caution. Not accusation. Chill... _________________ Belief is the Enemy of Truth www.dissential.com |
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Zabooka Moderate Poster
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Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 1:51 pm Post subject: |
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I do apologise Rodin... Its just, I can not have anything but the highest of respect for people like John Pilger.
When I was at the Barbican Film Festival of his last year, he was asked upon this the first night infact. The man who asked the question of 911 and Loose Change... unfortunately again he was a man who was not prepared to take on all the heckling and also did not approach the subject in the most informed manner.
However, it was the way John Pilger was evading the subject, which... I can not blame him. For firstly, the man speaking about it was no expert on the subject, well it didn't seem so and he did not have the confidence in him I do not believe to take on all those hecklers. However, he was more braver than me at the time, who did not ask the question.
You see this was the first evening, so its not the greatest of starts to the whole I think week long event now was it?
However, John is working on so many projects that hes given most of his life up to. So to then go into 911 Truth, when lets face it, we are a disorganised bunch in comparison to say for instance Stop the War etc... its just not a good gamble. The Chagos Islanders see him perhaps as a saviour, then to see their saviour marred in the media by accusations of association with conspiracy theorist nuts.
John Pilger does not just represent himself. John Pilger has a duty to so many causes across the globe.
We can not blame others, but ourselves. I find it really really cheap to blame others, to call them blind and brainwashed. When we should be blaming ourselves for not being organised and clear enough, to be able to convey ourselves in a informed intelligent manner. For we are not being seen as clear, informed and intelligent. Its cheap to say, look we are clear, informed and intelligent, its not our fault, they are just stupid.
For thats the same accusations that are made against us. We must rise above this.
AGAIN - going back to the subject. We are not presenting ourselves as clear, informed and intelligent. When we have the name of John Pilger on the site and make no reference to him showing that hes 'on side'. Its out of date and its inaccurate. That makes us look pathetic. Now from that point, how can we blame others for being 'blind to the truth?'. We must first face the truth about how we present ourselves. |
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QuitTheirClogs Trustworthy Freedom Fighter
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Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 2:08 pm Post subject: |
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So can we not remove John Pilger’s name and put Paul Craig Roberts instead?
Paul Craig Roberts, PhD – Assistant Secretary of the U.S. Treasury under Ronald Reagan, "Father of Reaganomics", Former Associate Editor of the Wall Street Journal. Currently Chairman of the Institute for Political Economy and Research Fellow at the Independent Institute.
http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/#Roberts
Endorsement of 9/11 and American Empire (Vol I) – Intellectuals Speak Out: "This is the most important book of our time. Distinguished national and international scientists and scholars present massive evidence that the 9/11 Commission Report is a hoax and that the 9/11 "terrorist attack" has been manipulated to serve a hegemonic agenda in the Middle East. The book's call for a truly independent panel of experts to be empowered to bring out the true facts must be heeded or Americans will never again live under accountable government."
http://www.interlinkbooks.com/product_info.php?products_id=1545
Essay 8/16/06: "We know that it is strictly impossible for any building, much less steel columned buildings, to "pancake" at free fall speed. Therefore, it is a non-controversial fact that the official explanation of the collapse of the WTC buildings is false."
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article14566.htm
Essay 2/6/06: "There are not many editors eager for writers to explore the glaring defects of the 9/11 Commission Report. One would think that if the report could stand analysis, there would not be a taboo against calling attention to the inadequacy of its explanations."
http://www.counterpunch.org/roberts02062006.html _________________ Simon - http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/
David Ray Griffin - 9/11: the Myth & the Reality
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-275577066688213413 |
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hampton Validated Poster
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Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 2:49 pm Post subject: |
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surely pilger must have studied 911?
there's lots of good sites.
he must be talking about 911 with regards the war on terror. _________________ Have No Fear! Peace, Love & Hemp is here!
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Roger the Horse Moderate Poster
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Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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On the cover of Nafeez Ahmed's new book on the London Bombings it has a quote from John Pilger -
"Nafeez Ahmed's understanding of the post 9/11 power game, its lies,
illusions and dangers, is no less than brilliant "
John Pilger _________________ Only sheep need a leader. |
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