ideas for a top three proveable crimes, suggestions please

[Fred Jones II]

I'm looking for a consensus on the top three crimes of 911 that we can PROVE.
I suggest that if we can reach agreement on the most basic level it presents a united movement that is easier for newcomers to join in with.
Anything will be considered, just needs to be beyond reasonable doubt and have multiple, verifiable sources.
This doesn't mean that I'm trying to narrow the field of overall research, just that proffessional organisations don't do there washing in public!.

Thanks for your time, poll will go up in a week if there are enough responses to provide 3 options.

[QuitTheirClogs]

The lies and cover-ups

The illegal removal, destruction and withholding of evidence

[ishaar]

Surely..demolition of world trade centre 1, 2, and 7. Falling at near free fall speed, we don't need any wild theories here, physical laws demand some process of demolition other than collapse resulting from impact of planes and oxygen starved fire.

[Fred Jones II]

Thanks guys, thats the kind of thing I'm after.

Can we PROVE that they fell at freefall?, if so then it's a good un.

[gareth]

how about any of the 11 features of controlled demolition that would occur if, and only if, controlled demolition occured?

1. Sudden Onset
2. Straight Down
3. Almost free-fall speed
4. Total collapse
5. Sliced Steel
6. Pulverization of concrete and other materials
7. Dust clouds
8. Horizontal Ejections
9. Demolition rings
10. Molten Steel
11. Sounds produced by explosives

the demolition of the towers is the lie that underpins all other lies and most folks have quite a high regard for science

[alfsevic]

On the 18 September 2001
Christie Whitman said. "Given the scope of the tragedy from last week, I am glad to reassure the people of New York and Washington, D.C. that their air is safe to breath and their water is safe to drink."

A lie causing the illness and premature death of thousands of new yorkers.

http://www.epa.gov/wtc/stories/headline_091801.htm

[Fred Jones II]

[Fred Jones II]

[kbo234]

[Fred Jones II]

[Busker]

1. The collapse of WTC 7. Not a raging inferno. Symmetrical collapse. Near freefall speed.

2. Initial pictures of Pentagon. No physical sign of the impact of engines, wings or tail section. The apparent bunny-hop over the cable spools on the lawn. (Forget about hole size etc.)

3. Explosions inside the twins. Testimony of William Rodriguez to that effect. Video of three fireman talking, boom, boom, boom down the floors as though they planned to take it out etc.

[SHERITON HOTEL]

Someone on webcameron claimed that the petrol station and Sheraton Hotel CCTV footage of whatever hit the pentagon 911 has been released in the past 2 weeks under US FOI...and guess what? though they were grainy images they clearly showed NO Boeing 757 crashing into the said defence facility! Surely this is a piece of the official CT jigsaw that does not fit and disproves the rest?

Snowy Grouch's Pentagon research is pretty damning I would have thought.

[Fred Jones II]

[Fred Jones II]

[SHERITON HOTEL]

[Fred Jones II]

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It was only an anecdotal suggestion in first draft sarky !

Sorry

It still doesn't prove that they were involved in planning, just coverup which can be justified. (Our enemy managed to get a missile near the pentagon!!)

We really need stuff that can be proved without any further evidence, as anything that they still hold part of is unsound.

Much better to get them for proved crimes (like the war) and then investigate 911 without them still being in power to stop us.

Once again, sorry for the sarcasm.

[SHERITON HOTEL]

[Fred Jones II]

[/quote]


Their missile defence system failed to intercept an 'Al Quaeda missile' or an 'Al Quaeda hijacked boeing 757', which is the most embarassing?[/quote]

Embarassment requires a sense of shame.
The government is not a person.
No sense of shame.
(common mistake)

The point I was (and am) tryin to make is that even if everything pans out in that story, it doesn't prove that they did it.
The problem is that the Law isn't cumalative, you can't add the fact that may have covered up the pentagon attcack to the fact that they may have covered up wtc7 etc.
It has to be one crime, proveable beyond reasonable doubt, that actually proves they were complicit in the planning and execution, not just the coverup.

No shame= no problem lying again if they are caught out on a lie (downing street memo).

So it has to be more than catching them lying, as we've done that hundreds of times before.
You might not believe it, but they could spin the pentagon in there sleep.

[rodin]

How about a confession of being 'there to document the event'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcON2XbFR3I&NR

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fiveisraelis.html

Does that strike you as evidence?

re 7/7

How about witness statments from passengers on the train the 4 bombers took from Luton-London. A train that did not run on time and could not have got the bombers onto their Tubes. In other words - fabricated evidence form a ghost train.

[SHERITON HOTEL]

[gareth]

[Fred Jones II]

[Fred Jones II]

quote: "disputed? you can't dispute the laws of conservation of momentum, gravity etc. these are foundational laws of physics and therefore the sort of principles even a child can grasp. you don't get more concrete than that. good luck wasting your time Smile"

True, but if you read the initial post:

1:we don't hold the evidence, they do. (steel, bodies)
2:It doesn't prove that the government were complicit.
3:Bush has already said that mohamed atta placed bombs above a certain floor, so that excuse is in place. (no shame)

It seems you think I'm wasting my time, but I'm not trying to argue anyones theories, just to put into context what they mean in the big picture.
I'm not being awkward, I want to know what actual evidence we have for foreknowledge.

[Fred Jones II]

[Mark Gobell]

Norman Mineta's testimony to the 9/11 Commission about the military aide who asked Cheney if the orders still stand.

Mineta has this happening before the Pentagon event

The 9/11 Commission Report has this happening after 10.00 am

[Fred Jones II]

[Mark Gobell]

CEO of Odigo on record stating that staff received email warning of 9/11

Reports of eye witness seeing tail number N591UA of UA93 still in use after 9/11

Steven Jones Thermite / Thermate residues.

ST911 Seismic evidence of explosions before WTC impact.

AA77 & AA11 missing flight data on BTS database

William Rodriguez & NYFD & other first responder's eye witness evidence of explosions.

[Mark Gobell]

[Fred Jones II]

[Mark Gobell]