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Another fascinating, mind expanding article on 9/11 posted by Jeff Wells at the mindblowing Rigint blogspt.
http://rigint.blogspot.com/
Article entitled No Guru, No Method, No teacher
An excerpt ;
To those who argue Left and Right are false dichotomies perhaps it doesn't matter, and they ought to be embraced under 9/11's "Big Tent." But to those who see in 9/11's outline a brutish war of the wealthy upon the poor of the world, perhaps it should.
Why are none of them apparently interested in talking about, say, Norman Mineta's testimony before the 9/11 Commission ("Do the orders still stand?"), and its excision from the commission's video archive and published record? .
I was thinking to myself today, how the recent Beeb tapes, showing that they KNEW in advance that WTC 7 came down courtesy of explosives experts might be some kind of precursor to some kind of limited hang out admission by "them".
In other words that WTC 7 was in fact brought down by CD, but that they couldnt tell us this at the time......blablabla.
Now Im not suggesting here for one moment , that the physical evidence has no relevence. My problem is the same as that of Mr Wells - Namely that why is this movement, and right up to the top, obsessed with the physical evidence ?
Why arent WE talking more about the testimony of Mr Mineta, or Colleen Rowley or the murder of John O Neill, or the Anthrax attacks ?
Im talking about the kind of info that has been proven over and over even on these boards to be guaranteed to get our skeptic community scarpering ? |
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Rigint is a good site
So.... the MSM & BBC were told in advance that WTC7 was coming down.
I know of at least 5 Israelis who knew ın advance WTC1 and WTC2 were going to be hit by planes. MOSSAD agents at least some of them.
What is the connection between the media and MOSSAD?
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| rodin wrote: | Rigint is a good site
So.... the MSM & BBC were told in advance that WTC7 was coming down.
I know of at least 5 Israelis who knew ın advance WTC1 and WTC2 were going to be hit by planes. MOSSAD agents at least some of them.
What is the connection between the media and MOSSAD? |
Well, judging by your posts, I can well imagine the connection that you draw.
And doubtless it wont be the fact that these people are little more than mouthpieces for the rich, and those who represent the cabal who pulled off 9/11.
otherwise, you might be asking about the Palestinian schoolgirl who told her classmates that the towers were coming down,
Or about the warnings given to Willy Brown.
No doubt you will still be attributing this to a select "race" of people.
I wonder who's big Idea this whole religion deal was ?
Can't seem to get an answer from you there, Rodin.
Whatever. |
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| Quote: | | otherwise, you might be asking about the Palestinian schoolgirl who told her classmates that the towers were coming do |
Does she have a name? Has she been on television? Was she arrested and questioned? In short does she exist? The five Israelis certainly do. |
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| Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 10:56 am Post subject: Re: "brutish war of the wealthy upon the poor" |
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| Abandoned Ego wrote: |
My problem is the same as that of Mr Wells - Namely that why is this movement, and right up to the top, obsessed with the physical evidence ?
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Because real physical evidence has an unchallengeable integrity that human beings speaking don't. |
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| blackcat wrote: | | Quote: | | otherwise, you might be asking about the Palestinian schoolgirl who told her classmates that the towers were coming do |
Does she have a name? Has she been on television? Was she arrested and questioned? In short does she exist? The five Israelis certainly do. |
She exists alright. She was actually quite the celebrity that shocked her entire class when she spoke out. I will post the link as soon as I have it to hand.
KBO,
Ive said in my post that the physical evidence is strong IMHO. No question about that.
But whenever I ask any of our skeptic community about the Anthrax attacks for instance, or the testimony of Sibel Edmunds, Mr Mineta, or the actions of Dave Frasca, and the operation Able Danger Team, they scarper away back to the safety of circular arguments about NPT, "conservation of momentum" and all that stuff.
Your thoughts on why that might be ?
Heres my thoughts. This kind of evidence is a clear and proven indication of an inside job, and a cover up. This is grounds for prosecution. This would stand up in a court of law.
Whatever we know about what we saw, its what has been covered up, and destroyed that PROVES complicity. It is the lies that prove both perjury and to begin with clear criminal negligence by the Perps. Its from this point that we can then establish MIHOP.
This is where the kitchen gets too hot for our skeptic community. I have first hand experience of this. We should be asking these questions more often IMHO. |
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OK I wıll look ınto yr poınts. One at a tıme
Anthrax
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/anthraxsuspect.html
| Quote: | As most readers are already aware, the Anthrax contained in the letters sent to Congress was determined to be from a US military laboratory. This raised the question in the public's mind as to who, inside a US facility, would be playing games with Anthrax. Suspicion focused on Dr. Ayaad Assaad, an Egyptian scientist working at Fort Detrick, based on an anonymous letter. Because Dr. Assaad's race fit in perfectly with the agenda of sparking a war into Arab lands rich in oil, the media ballyhooed that the FBI was closing in on the "Arab Anthrax Terrorist".
Ah, but the best laid plans gang aft aglay, and the FBI discovered that the end of the hunt for the sender of the Anthrax letters was NOT Dr. Assaad the Egyptian, but Dr. Zack, who is Jewish. At this point, both the FBI and the mainstream media stopped making any public comments on the case.
The above BBC article is clearly another step in the plan to try to shift the suspicion for the Anthrax letters further away from the Dr. Zack, to spare Israel further embarrassment in what appears to be a modern day revival of the Lavon Affair. However, the claim that the Anthrax letters were simply an experiment in mail delivery that went awry is discredited by recalling that the envelopes and their contents were written in a way to cast suspicion for the letters in a specific direction, at Arabs! This clear evidence of a deliberate frame up proves that not only was this not simply a test procedure, but that the Anthrax in the letters was intended to kill people, while the letters themselves pointed the finger of blame.
It would appear that even the BBC is not above spreading a little bit of propaganda.
Proof of a deliberate frame-up is before your eyes - someone INTENDED for Arabs to take the blame. |
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Sıbel Edmonds
| Quote: | | There is FBI agent Sibel Edmonds. Edmunds was an FBI wiretap translator. She claims that another FBI translator was working for the Mossad and that the Mossad also tried to recruit Edmonds to make phony translations for the purpose of misdirecting investigations. When agent Edmonds refused, the Mossad threatened her safety. (127) When she brought these allegations to the attention of her superiors, she was fired for being 'disruptive'. The Washington Post briefly reported this story without mentioning the name of nation that tried to recruit Edmonds. But The Post did reveal that Edmonds and the other translator 'trace their ethnicity' to this certain 'Middle Eastern' country. (128) Agent Sibel Edmunds is not an Arab. Edmonds is Jewish. Therefore we know that the 'Middle-Eastern' nation which the Post chose not to name is Israel. No big surprise there. Sibel Edmonds deserves a lot of credit for defying the Mossad and blowing the whistle to her superiors. Instead, she was fired for her patriotic efforts, proving once again that Zionists are willing to hurt innocent Jews. |
http://www.aljazeera.com/cgi-bin/conspiracy_theory/fullstory.asp?id=31 2
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Dave Frasca
| Quote: | Evidence
“on August 23, 2001, the Mossad had given the CIA a list of 19 terrorists living in the US. The Mossad had said that the terrorists appeared to be planning to carry out an attack in the near future. It is unknown if these are the same 19 names as the actual hijackers, or if the number is a coincidence. However, the four names on the list that are known are names of the 9/11 hijackers: Nawaf Alhazmi, Khalid Almihdhar, Marwan Alshehhi, and Mohamed Atta. [Die Zeit, 10/1/02, Der Spiegel, 10/1/02, BBC, 10/2/02, Ha’aretz, 10/3/02] These are also probably the four most important of the hijackers (and two of the pilots).” 1
Robert Wright, a Chicago FBI agent investigating terrorist funding, is obstructed from continuing by higher-ups. Wright is later removed from his own investigation, gagged, and fired, later to be reinstated. Wright also sues the FBI. 14
Prior to 9/11, Minneapolis FBI agents sought warrants to search Zacarias Moussaoui’s (“the 20th hijacker”) computer. Their efforts were undermined by FBI headquarters–who went so far as to edit and sabotage the warrant request. After 9/11, with FBI officials still trying to protect Moussaoui, a warrant is eventually obtained and it is clear that information on the computer could have led to the other hijackers. 8
Dave Frasca, head of the FBI’s Radical Fundamentalist Unit (RFU) appears to be the one thwarting various investigations that could have uncovered the 9/11 plot. |
http://www.truthmove.org/content/warnings-foreknowledge/
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| rodin wrote: | OK I wıll look ınto yr poınts. One at a tıme
Anthrax
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/anthraxsuspect.html
| Quote: | As most readers are already aware, the Anthrax contained in the letters sent to Congress was determined to be from a US military laboratory. This raised the question in the public's mind as to who, inside a US facility, would be playing games with Anthrax. Suspicion focused on Dr. Ayaad Assaad, an Egyptian scientist working at Fort Detrick, based on an anonymous letter. Because Dr. Assaad's race fit in perfectly with the agenda of sparking a war into Arab lands rich in oil, the media ballyhooed that the FBI was closing in on the "Arab Anthrax Terrorist".
Ah, but the best laid plans gang aft aglay, and the FBI discovered that the end of the hunt for the sender of the Anthrax letters was NOT Dr. Assaad the Egyptian, but Dr. Zack, who is Jewish. At this point, both the FBI and the mainstream media stopped making any public comments on the case.
The above BBC article is clearly another step in the plan to try to shift the suspicion for the Anthrax letters further away from the Dr. Zack, to spare Israel further embarrassment in what appears to be a modern day revival of the Lavon Affair. However, the claim that the Anthrax letters were simply an experiment in mail delivery that went awry is discredited by recalling that the envelopes and their contents were written in a way to cast suspicion for the letters in a specific direction, at Arabs! This clear evidence of a deliberate frame up proves that not only was this not simply a test procedure, but that the Anthrax in the letters was intended to kill people, while the letters themselves pointed the finger of blame.
It would appear that even the BBC is not above spreading a little bit of propaganda.
Proof of a deliberate frame-up is before your eyes - someone INTENDED for Arabs to take the blame. |
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Sent to whom ? What might any logical person conclude from this ?
That the people who brought us the Patriot act are in bed with Al Quaeda ?
That Al Quaeda supported the Administration in its introduction of the patriot act by anthraxing those congressmen who were fighting its introduction ?
As for the Zack stuff. There may be track in that, but how about the thesis put foreward by WKJO ?
Did you see that movie yet ?
Whatever happened to Stephen Hatfill ? Did he say who he thought was responsible ?
And without getting into speculation about who did it, other than the fact that it was US weapons grade anthrax, traced back to a US military installation, the fact that the FBI destroyed the evidence, and this trail, whilst the note pins the tail on Allah fans is criminal negligence at best, and MIHOP at worst. |
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Mıneta
| Quote: | According to Secretary Mineta's testimony, which is in the public domain, when he (Mineta) arrived at an underground bunker at the White House (known as the Presidential Emergency Operations Center), the Vice President was in charge. "During the time that the airplane was coming in to the Pentagon", he stated, "there was a young man who would come in and say to the Vice President, 'The plane is 50 miles out.' 'The plane is 30 miles out.'
"And when it got down to, 'The plane is 10 miles out,'" Mineta continued, "the young man also said to the Vice President, 'Do the orders still stand?' And the Vice President turned and whipped his neck around and said, 'Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?'" |
http://miami.indymedia.org/news/2006/08/5329_comment.php
No doubt Cheney & Rumsfeld were ın on ıt. The hıgh-ups ın the US admın got the word. Stay out of aırplanes. But Bush looked lıke a lost dog on 911 - not someone ın charge of events. He dıd see a plane strıke the fırst tower. CCTV workıng there - contrastıng wıth the Israelı securıty CCTV cameras on 911 and 7-7
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Able Danger
| Quote: | The "Able Danger" revelations merely confirm what we've been saying in this space for years: that revisionism in this area of historical research is essential if we're going to begin to understand 9/11, and all that followed from it. As Condi Rice's appearance before the 9/11 Commission showed, the administration knew a lot more than it ever told anyone.
In December, 2001, Carl Cameron did a four-part series on Fox News that detailed extensive Israeli spying in the U.S., a report that proved prescient in light of recent developments, and he started out his riveting account with a bang:
"Since September 11, more than 60 Israelis have been arrested or detained, either under the new patriot anti-terrorism law, or for immigration violations. A handful of active Israeli military were among those detained, according to investigators, who say some of the detainees also failed polygraph questions when asked about alleged surveillance activities against and in the United States.
"There is no indication that the Israelis were involved in the 9-11 attacks, but investigators suspect that they Israelis may have gathered intelligence about the attacks in advance, and not shared it. A highly placed investigator said there are 'tie-ins.' But when asked for details, he flatly refused to describe them, saying, 'evidence linking these Israelis to 9-11 is classified. I cannot tell you about evidence that has been gathered. It's classified information.'"
While the story was largely ignored in the U.S., Germany's Die Zeit followed it up, in 2002, with an account entitled "Next Door to Mohammed Atta," in which the respected German weekly detailed close surveillance of Atta and his crew in southern Florida by Israeli intelligence in the months leading up to 9/11. |
http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=6923
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[quote="rodin"]Sıbel Edmonds
| Quote: | | She claims that another FBI translator was working for the Mossad and that the Mossad also tried to recruit Edmonds to make phony translations for the purpose of misdirecting investigations. |
Complete and utter lie.
Try having a look at this from a different perspective. |
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| rodin wrote: | Able Danger
| Quote: | The "Able Danger" revelations merely confirm what we've been saying in this space for years: that revisionism in this area of historical research is essential if we're going to begin to understand 9/11, and all that followed from it. As Condi Rice's appearance before the 9/11 Commission showed, the administration knew a lot more than it ever told anyone.
In December, 2001, Carl Cameron did a four-part series on Fox News that detailed extensive Israeli spying in the U.S., a report that proved prescient in light of recent developments, and he started out his riveting account with a bang:
"Since September 11, more than 60 Israelis have been arrested or detained, either under the new patriot anti-terrorism law, or for immigration violations. A handful of active Israeli military were among those detained, according to investigators, who say some of the detainees also failed polygraph questions when asked about alleged surveillance activities against and in the United States.
"There is no indication that the Israelis were involved in the 9-11 attacks, but investigators suspect that they Israelis may have gathered intelligence about the attacks in advance, and not shared it. A highly placed investigator said there are 'tie-ins.' But when asked for details, he flatly refused to describe them, saying, 'evidence linking these Israelis to 9-11 is classified. I cannot tell you about evidence that has been gathered. It's classified information.'"
While the story was largely ignored in the U.S., Germany's Die Zeit followed it up, in 2002, with an account entitled "Next Door to Mohammed Atta," in which the respected German weekly detailed close surveillance of Atta and his crew in southern Florida by Israeli intelligence in the months leading up to 9/11. |
http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=6923 |
What does any of this post have to do with Able Danger, other than a quick mention at the begginning before indulging us in yet another excuse to linking it to ..... Israel ? |
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| rodin wrote: | Mıneta
| Quote: | According to Secretary Mineta's testimony, which is in the public domain, when he (Mineta) arrived at an underground bunker at the White House (known as the Presidential Emergency Operations Center), the Vice President was in charge. "During the time that the airplane was coming in to the Pentagon", he stated, "there was a young man who would come in and say to the Vice President, 'The plane is 50 miles out.' 'The plane is 30 miles out.'
"And when it got down to, 'The plane is 10 miles out,'" Mineta continued, "the young man also said to the Vice President, 'Do the orders still stand?' And the Vice President turned and whipped his neck around and said, 'Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?'" |
http://miami.indymedia.org/news/2006/08/5329_comment.php
No doubt Cheney & Rumsfeld were ın on ıt. The hıgh-ups ın the US admın got the word. Stay out of aırplanes. But Bush looked lıke a lost dog on 911 - not someone ın charge of events. He dıd see a plane strıke the fırst tower. CCTV workıng there - contrastıng wıth the Israelı securıty CCTV cameras on 911 and 7-7 |
Ergo criminal negligence at Best, MIHOP at worst. |
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OK Ab. Ego.
I agree that I quoted ın support of what has been an attempt to brıng ınto balance a 911 ınvestıgatıon that has not looked hard enough at the Israelı questıon up tıl now. Perhaps balance has now been restored. There are other topıcs I wısh to comment on lıke the comıng SM crash.
I have no doubt that varıous bıgwıgs ın countrıes all over the shop are to some extent complıcıt ın the global 911 - the war on manufactured terror. However ıt ıs wıthout a doubt that the global conspıracy would not be possıble wıthout the co-operatıon and co-ınvolvement of the medıa, just as exposıng ıt would be ımpossıble wıthout the ınternet.
Who controls the medıa?
http://www.rense.com/general38/brits.htm
Who controls the freemasons who make up the Judıcıary the Army and the Bankers and the Polıtıcos
http://bristol.indymedia.org/newswire.php?story_id=25574Array&sc=1
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