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| KP50 wrote: | | Johnny Pixels wrote: | | KP50 wrote: | | This is almost as bad as the "you need cow's milk for healthy bones" scam. |
What "scam" is that? |
Just the last 50 years of pushing milk as a healthy drink, vital for strong bones. Say something often enough and it becomes "common knowledge" even if the science is no more than "lots of calcium in milk, lots of calcium in bones, QED."
Other than the obvious risk of a major part of the human diet being designed for baby cows and the glaringly obvious observation that the parts of the world most affected by brittle bones in old age tend to be the highest milk consumers - everything is just fine.
Many people do have problems tolerating high intake of milk products, just often they don't realise it and live with the problem their whole life. Excessive mucus is usually a good sign that you should cut down on the 3 glasses a day.
I would say the "man on the street" knows a minimum of 3 things connected with food and health ....
1. Milk gives you strong bones.
2. Flouride gives you strong teeth.
3. Carrots help you see in the dark. |
Milk doesn't cause excessive mucus though, that's just a lie perpetrated by people who, for some reason, don't like milk. Generally organisations like PETA, tend to try to scare kids out of drinking milk with protests outside schools, telling them it makes them fat, spotty, and gives them excess mucus.
Milk causes brittle bones?
From the national osteoporosis society:
| Quote: | But there are other factors that can put people at greater risk:
* Women if they have had an early menopause or hysterectomy (before the age of 45)
* Men if they have low levels of testosterone (known as hypogonadism)
* People who have broken a bone after only a minor trauma (called a fragility fracture)
* People who take corticosteroid tablets (for conditions such as asthma or arthritis)
* People with a family history of osteoporosis, particularly if your mother has broken her hip
* People with medical conditions which affect the absorption of foods, such as Crohn’s disease, coeliac condition or ulcerative colitis
* People with medical conditions which leave them immobile for a long time
* People who drink excessive amounts of alcohol
* People who smoke
* Women who are underweight or have developed an eating disorder |
Hmm, milk is not on there. You'd think the National Osteoporosis Society would want to tell people not to drink milk if it causes the disease they're trying to fight.
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| rodin wrote: | | Johnny Pixels wrote: | | John White wrote: | | Quote: | Why do you feel the need to refer to it as rat poison? Is it to add some emotional weight to your argument because it lacks scientific backing?
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Pixels, youve just utterly pwned yourself, becuase its a historical fact that the first commerical application of flouride was as Rat poison!
One day, you may just fall our of your self sustained womb and realise you have barely any idea what goes on around you: regardless of how much you think you know or how wise you believe yourself to be |
So? Chlorine is used in bleach, but you don't run around screaming at people not to go in swimming pools because it's been poisoned with bleach do you? Maybe we should stop chlorinating water supplies too so we can all get bacterial infections. |
Chlorıne ıs a poıson actually. That ıs why ıt ıs put ınto swımmıng pools - to kıll bugs. It also harms us over tıme. Fluorıde and Chlorıne are halıdes - elements wıth a strong electronegatıve tendency. Chlorıde ın small doses ıs benefıcıal for the body electrolyte. Fluorıde ıs not. It ıs the most electronegatıve anıon and can strıp hydrogen from organıc molecules ın the body. Fluorıne ıs somethıng you never see - ıt ıs a gas and would kıll you. It etches glass.
There ıs only one form of fluorıde ıon F-. Catıon ıs ırrelevant once the salt ıs ın solutıon. We agree on somethıng at least... |
Yes, I know chlorine is poisonous, and I know that it is used to kill bacteria. That is why our drinking supply doesn't kill us. If you'd rather take water straight from a reservoir without processing it, then be my guest.
Fluoride occurs naturally in water, there are areas of the UK where it occurs naturally at over 1 part per million, which is the level to which artificially fluoridated water is raised. If it were dangerous, there would be concentrations of people with fluoride related illnesses in those areas. There isn't. There are lower rates of tooth decay in areas with naturally higher levels of fluoride.
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| Johnny Pixels wrote: | Milk doesn't cause excessive mucus though, that's just a lie perpetrated by people who, for some reason, don't like milk. Generally organisations like PETA, tend to try to scare kids out of drinking milk with protests outside schools, telling them it makes them fat, spotty, and gives them excess mucus.
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Certainly some people suffer from excessive mucus which improves when they reduce their consumption of milk products.
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Did I say that? No. You are posing the question and then doing your best to knock it over.
I am saying that for many decades, milk has been advertised as a preventative for brittle bones - I did not say that it is a cause, I merely doubted whether it is effective.
Milk also causes allergic reactions in a small percentage of people, which is a much more serious problem than excessive mucus. A wonder food it is not. |
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| KP50 wrote: | | Johnny Pixels wrote: | Milk doesn't cause excessive mucus though, that's just a lie perpetrated by people who, for some reason, don't like milk. Generally organisations like PETA, tend to try to scare kids out of drinking milk with protests outside schools, telling them it makes them fat, spotty, and gives them excess mucus.
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Certainly some people suffer from excessive mucus which improves when they reduce their consumption of milk products. |
Some people? Hardly conclusive.
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Did I say that? No. You are posing the question and then doing your best to knock it over.
I am saying that for many decades, milk has been advertised as a preventative for brittle bones - I did not say that it is a cause, I merely doubted whether it is effective. |
But you lacked any evidence for this. You seemed to be suggesting that osteoporosis was higher in high milk consuming countries, which implied you were linking the two. I apologise if that wasn't the case.
But the NOS advises a proper calcium intake. Milk is high in calcium. It does not have any negative effects in the case of brittle bones, so yes, milk is good for bones. It helps prevent them in that in provides some of your RDA of calcium.
| Quote: | | Milk also causes allergic reactions in a small percentage of people, which is a much more serious problem than excessive mucus. A wonder food it is not. |
So do peanuts, tomatos, celery, onion, garlic, crab, mussels, peach, apple, lemon, wheat, soya bean etc etc.
Lets all stop eating them too. Or maybe, people that are allergic to milk shouldn't drink milk.
Milk is no more or less bad for you than any other food or drink.
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Cows have 2 stomachs.
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But you lacked any evidence for this. You seemed to be suggesting that osteoporosis was higher in high milk consuming countries, which implied you were linking the two. I apologise if that wasn't the case.
But the NOS advises a proper calcium intake. Milk is high in calcium. It does not have any negative effects in the case of brittle bones, so yes, milk is good for bones. It helps prevent them in that in provides some of your RDA of calcium. |
Osteoporosis is a "western disease" which suggests that the current western lifestyle, including diet, is a significant factor.
Do you not get the feeling that it is all a bit simplistic - milk contains calcium, body needs calcium? I have no problem with people choosing to drink milk, I have a problem with the propaganda that surrounds it, making out it is vital to you health. Something like this I found on the Parenting and Child Health website
| Quote: | How much milk?
600 mls of milk (about 2 ½ cups) a day is plenty. It is only one part of what toddlers eat and drink and other foods are needed too.
It is important that children do not drink so much milk that they won't eat other foods as this is a common cause of health problems (such as iron deficiency anaemia) in toddlers.
Why milk is important for young children
Milk has a lot of calcium which is important for growing bones and teeth.
Calcium is more easily taken into the body from milk than from vegetable foods.
Milk also provides good protein.
Whole milk gives fat for energy and growth.
Milk provides some vitamins, especially Vitamin A (in the milk fat) and B group Vitamins.
Most (although not all) toddlers like milk and dairy foods.
Calcium needs for toddlers
Children under 5 years need about 700 mg of calcium per day.
Calcium cannot be made by the body so the dairy foods (milk, cheese etc) that children eat and drink every day are important.
Most children under 5 get 70% of their calcium from cows milk, 20% from milk products such as cheese, yoghurt, custard, and 10% from breakfast cereals. |
Which makes us a bloody odd species as we cannot seem to function from a year old without a whole pint of infant milk from another animal.
And yet people seem to be perfectly healthy when they completely avoid it. |
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| Johnny Pixels wrote: | | rodin wrote: | | Johnny Pixels wrote: | | John White wrote: | | Quote: | Why do you feel the need to refer to it as rat poison? Is it to add some emotional weight to your argument because it lacks scientific backing?
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Pixels, youve just utterly pwned yourself, becuase its a historical fact that the first commerical application of flouride was as Rat poison!
One day, you may just fall our of your self sustained womb and realise you have barely any idea what goes on around you: regardless of how much you think you know or how wise you believe yourself to be |
So? Chlorine is used in bleach, but you don't run around screaming at people not to go in swimming pools because it's been poisoned with bleach do you? Maybe we should stop chlorinating water supplies too so we can all get bacterial infections. |
Chlorıne ıs a poıson actually. That ıs why ıt ıs put ınto swımmıng pools - to kıll bugs. It also harms us over tıme. Fluorıde and Chlorıne are halıdes - elements wıth a strong electronegatıve tendency. Chlorıde ın small doses ıs benefıcıal for the body electrolyte. Fluorıde ıs not. It ıs the most electronegatıve anıon and can strıp hydrogen from organıc molecules ın the body. Fluorıne ıs somethıng you never see - ıt ıs a gas and would kıll you. It etches glass.
There ıs only one form of fluorıde ıon F-. Catıon ıs ırrelevant once the salt ıs ın solutıon. We agree on somethıng at least... |
Yes, I know chlorine is poisonous, and I know that it is used to kill bacteria. That is why our drinking supply doesn't kill us. If you'd rather take water straight from a reservoir without processing it, then be my guest.
Fluoride occurs naturally in water, there are areas of the UK where it occurs naturally at over 1 part per million, which is the level to which artificially fluoridated water is raised. If it were dangerous, there would be concentrations of people with fluoride related illnesses in those areas. There isn't. There are lower rates of tooth decay in areas with naturally higher levels of fluoride. |
Gımme mechanıcally fıltered water over chlorınated any day. Quote a study that proves fluorıde ın water reduces carıes. Because from what ı have read ıt makes them worse. Plus ınduces fluorosıs ın bones and teeth. Natural fluorıde too
http://www.thememoryhole.org/health/fluoride-patent.htm
http://fluoridealert.org/health/teeth/fluorosis/caries.html
http://www.nofluoride.com/presentations/Australia_New_Zealand_JPH.pdf
These guys are on your sıde though
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dental_caries
http://judicial-inc.biz/wikipedia.htm
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| KP50 wrote: | | Johnny Pixels wrote: |
But you lacked any evidence for this. You seemed to be suggesting that osteoporosis was higher in high milk consuming countries, which implied you were linking the two. I apologise if that wasn't the case.
But the NOS advises a proper calcium intake. Milk is high in calcium. It does not have any negative effects in the case of brittle bones, so yes, milk is good for bones. It helps prevent them in that in provides some of your RDA of calcium. |
Osteoporosis is a "western disease" which suggests that the current western lifestyle, including diet, is a significant factor.
Do you not get the feeling that it is all a bit simplistic - milk contains calcium, body needs calcium? I have no problem with people choosing to drink milk, I have a problem with the propaganda that surrounds it, making out it is vital to you health. Something like this I found on the Parenting and Child Health website
| Quote: | How much milk?
600 mls of milk (about 2 ½ cups) a day is plenty. It is only one part of what toddlers eat and drink and other foods are needed too.
It is important that children do not drink so much milk that they won't eat other foods as this is a common cause of health problems (such as iron deficiency anaemia) in toddlers.
Why milk is important for young children
Milk has a lot of calcium which is important for growing bones and teeth.
Calcium is more easily taken into the body from milk than from vegetable foods.
Milk also provides good protein.
Whole milk gives fat for energy and growth.
Milk provides some vitamins, especially Vitamin A (in the milk fat) and B group Vitamins.
Most (although not all) toddlers like milk and dairy foods.
Calcium needs for toddlers
Children under 5 years need about 700 mg of calcium per day.
Calcium cannot be made by the body so the dairy foods (milk, cheese etc) that children eat and drink every day are important.
Most children under 5 get 70% of their calcium from cows milk, 20% from milk products such as cheese, yoghurt, custard, and 10% from breakfast cereals. |
Which makes us a bloody odd species as we cannot seem to function from a year old without a whole pint of infant milk from another animal.
And yet people seem to be perfectly healthy when they completely avoid it. |
You are right to be concerned about diet but can I correct you on your statement that osteoporosis is a western disease. Osteoporosis is common globally and usually affects women (for the obvious reason) and older people. A quick Google check will confirm this. |
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"Which makes us a bloody odd species as we cannot seem to function from a year old without a whole pint of infant milk from another animal.
And yet people seem to be perfectly healthy when they completely avoid it."
well yes it is odd, but then again many things about the human body compared to take food poisoning, how come foxes can get away with eating raw chicken and eggs every day yet we end up getting salmonella?
and yes you can be healthy without milk, but then again you can be healthy without lots of things that people recommend. |
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well yes it is odd, but then again many things about the human body compared to take food poisoning, how come foxes can get away with eating raw chicken and eggs every day yet we end up getting salmonella?
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Foxes probably find it hard to get into batteries and barns where the salmonella proliferates. They probably find it easier in the free-pecking small-scale arrangements where it is noticeably absent
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| another question? where do carnivores get vitamin c and stuff like that from? |
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The majority of carnivores manufacture it internally
Humans need an ingested source
Mind you, that's a diversionary * question
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| well really it was designed to point out the difference between us and other animals. |
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| KP50 wrote: | | Johnny Pixels wrote: |
But you lacked any evidence for this. You seemed to be suggesting that osteoporosis was higher in high milk consuming countries, which implied you were linking the two. I apologise if that wasn't the case.
But the NOS advises a proper calcium intake. Milk is high in calcium. It does not have any negative effects in the case of brittle bones, so yes, milk is good for bones. It helps prevent them in that in provides some of your RDA of calcium. |
Osteoporosis is a "western disease" which suggests that the current western lifestyle, including diet, is a significant factor.
Do you not get the feeling that it is all a bit simplistic - milk contains calcium, body needs calcium? I have no problem with people choosing to drink milk, I have a problem with the propaganda that surrounds it, making out it is vital to you health. Something like this I found on the Parenting and Child Health website
| Quote: | How much milk?
600 mls of milk (about 2 ½ cups) a day is plenty. It is only one part of what toddlers eat and drink and other foods are needed too.
It is important that children do not drink so much milk that they won't eat other foods as this is a common cause of health problems (such as iron deficiency anaemia) in toddlers.
Why milk is important for young children
Milk has a lot of calcium which is important for growing bones and teeth.
Calcium is more easily taken into the body from milk than from vegetable foods.
Milk also provides good protein.
Whole milk gives fat for energy and growth.
Milk provides some vitamins, especially Vitamin A (in the milk fat) and B group Vitamins.
Most (although not all) toddlers like milk and dairy foods.
Calcium needs for toddlers
Children under 5 years need about 700 mg of calcium per day.
Calcium cannot be made by the body so the dairy foods (milk, cheese etc) that children eat and drink every day are important.
Most children under 5 get 70% of their calcium from cows milk, 20% from milk products such as cheese, yoghurt, custard, and 10% from breakfast cereals. |
Which makes us a bloody odd species as we cannot seem to function from a year old without a whole pint of infant milk from another animal.
And yet people seem to be perfectly healthy when they completely avoid it. |
Yeah. That looks like propaganda to me. Don't drink too much milk. Yeah.
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Just saw your name up on the board Pixells and couldn't resist popping in to offer some gratutitous abuse.
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| rodin wrote: | | Just saw your name up on the board Pixells and couldn't resist popping in to offer some gratutitous abuse. |
Well looks like I win then.
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You've run out of arguments so you've resorted to insults.
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References at the bottom of this link
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/rr5014a1.htm
There's a couple of hundred.
Yes, fluoride induces fluorosis, in large quantities, not the levels found naturally or artificially in water.
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My kid got it from our stealth fluoridated water.
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| rodin wrote: | | My kid got it from our stealth fluoridated water. |
It's a funny kind of stealth that publishes openly
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Fluoridation went on for years announced. I found out by active inquiry.
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| Johnny Pixels wrote: | | Milk doesn't cause excessive mucus though, that's just a lie perpetrated by people who, for some reason, don't like milk. Generally organisations like PETA, tend to try to scare kids out of drinking milk with protests outside schools, telling them it makes them fat, spotty, and gives them excess mucus. |
I'm not fat or spotty but I have a persistent problem with congestion. I have often been told by my friend with a health food shop that milk was the main cause but I like my one large cup of coffee in the morning an occasional bowl of cereal and I'm quite fond of cheese.
Last year I went to the Bahamas (at my sister's expense!) for two weeks and there was no fresh milk at the resort we stayed at. I had no cereal, the only cheese I had was on the pizza I ate the night we arrived and the coffee 'creamer' was of vegetable origin. I noticed after only a couple of days that my congestion had cleared up. It returned within days of resuming my usual diet.
Of course, it was possible that the cleaner Bahamian air could have been the cause of my cleared tubes so I carried out an experiment and used (vanilla) soya milk on my cereal, (plain) soya milk in coffee and went without any cheese for two weeks. My congestion cleared up again.
As my friend often says, we make our own choices, like between congestion and doing without dairy, and we are the victims of those choices. I suffer congestion because I like milk in my coffee.
As for the original subject, fluoride, its transformation from (expensive to dispose of) toxic waste as an aluminium byproduct to (marketable) essential nutritional suppliment is one of the greatest marketing scams of all time. And it should be reiterated that it only works topically on (ironically called) milk teeth - systemically it is ineffective and poisonous.
I think they should just add fluoride to Diet Coke™! |
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| flamesong wrote: | | Johnny Pixels wrote: | | Milk doesn't cause excessive mucus though, that's just a lie perpetrated by people who, for some reason, don't like milk. Generally organisations like PETA, tend to try to scare kids out of drinking milk with protests outside schools, telling them it makes them fat, spotty, and gives them excess mucus. |
I'm not fat or spotty but I have a persistent problem with congestion. I have often been told by my friend with a health food shop that milk was the main cause but I like my one large cup of coffee in the morning an occasional bowl of cereal and I'm quite fond of cheese.
Last year I went to the Bahamas (at my sister's expense!) for two weeks and there was no fresh milk at the resort we stayed at. I had no cereal, the only cheese I had was on the pizza I ate the night we arrived and the coffee 'creamer' was of vegetable origin. I noticed after only a couple of days that my congestion had cleared up. It returned within days of resuming my usual diet.
Of course, it was possible that the cleaner Bahamian air could have been the cause of my cleared tubes so I carried out an experiment and used (vanilla) soya milk on my cereal, (plain) soya milk in coffee and went without any cheese for two weeks. My congestion cleared up again.
As my friend often says, we make our own choices, like between congestion and doing without dairy, and we are the victims of those choices. I suffer congestion because I like milk in my coffee.
As for the original subject, fluoride, its transformation from (expensive to dispose of) toxic waste as an aluminium byproduct to (marketable) essential nutritional suppliment is one of the greatest marketing scams of all time. And it should be reiterated that it only works topically on (ironically called) milk teeth - systemically it is ineffective and poisonous.
I think they should just add fluoride to Diet Coke™! |
Flamesong, please be aware that your expereince with dairy products cannot be true as research has proved that you must be incorrect!
I was of the half pint a milk generation in England and spent my whole primary school life having a heavy nosebleed almost every day - I have always been prone to them my whole life. Only later in life did I make the connection - again through voluntarily abstaining and noticing how I could pin down a nosebleed to falling off the wagon in some way (ice cream etc). Nowadays I get by with just a dab of milk in tea and the occasional flat white - excessive cheese gives me nosebleeds and also makes me feel congested but dammit I like the taste! |
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blackcat
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| Quote: | | Fluoridation went on for years announced. I found out by active inquiry. |
I take it that should be unannounced 
I am another happy convert to non-dairy milk and have noticed the health benefit. I have not had a cold or dose of flu for years and I used to get them constantly. So where do I get non fluoride toothpaste? |
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scar
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| Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 6:23 am Post subject: |
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| blackcat wrote: |
I am another happy convert to non-dairy milk and have noticed the health benefit. I have not had a cold or dose of flu for years and I used to get them constantly. |
Ive not been ill for many years either.
| blackcat wrote: | | So where do I get non fluoride toothpaste? |
I use Optima - Aloe Dent.
You can find it in quite a few places. |
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flamesong
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| Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 10:42 am Post subject: |
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| KP50 wrote: | Flamesong, please be aware that your expereince with dairy products cannot be true as research has proved that you must be incorrect!
I was of the half pint a milk generation in England and spent my whole primary school life having a heavy nosebleed almost every day - I have always been prone to them my whole life. Only later in life did I make the connection - again through voluntarily abstaining and noticing how I could pin down a nosebleed to falling off the wagon in some way (ice cream etc). Nowadays I get by with just a dab of milk in tea and the occasional flat white - excessive cheese gives me nosebleeds and also makes me feel congested but dammit I like the taste! |
Many people have an intolerance to dairy products which can manifest itself in numerous ways. One is excessive mucus. Another, already mentioned here, is asthma (also eczema).
I would suggest that an industry which thrives off finding pharmaceutical solutions is not going to isolate thiese groups, rather test a sample of the general population and the intolerant group will be lost within it - thereby massaging the results to indicate an insignificant result.
There are a lot of non-fluoride toothpastes (most don't taste anything like Colgate I'm glad to say) - they are available at any healthfood shop, most chemists and the wicked Holland and Barrett - who sell lots of things which contain Aspartame. In Blackpool we also have a shop called Bowland and Harrett. H & B tried to sue many years ago but the case was dismissed.
One other thing, I noticed a new Bach Flower product - Rescue Remedy Pastilles. The label said 'sugar free' which usually means only one thing these days. I checked the label and sure enough they contained Aspartame. I complained to Bach/Nelson about it by e-mail. The next day I got a proforma reply to say that they were reformulating the pastilles without Aspartame. There are quite a number of 'health' products which still contain Aspartame.
On a side issue, I'm not sure that I would want to stifle debate by banishing critics on non-9/11 topics - otherwise we will just become a nodding club. |
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johndoe
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"Johnny only post in critics corner in future. Thanks"
isn't it odd that a group of people who are so obsessed with government conspiracy and silencing people want to do the same to people with opposing views?
it is so pathetic to see a group so obsessed with this idea of "truth" but not allow any kind of dissent.
it really does sum up everything when the only way your ideas can stick is when you do not allow anyone to question them. |
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