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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 2:00 pm    Post subject: Why the towers fell: Two theories – by William Rice Reply with quote

The following article by William Rice (a registered professional civil engineer) has been published in the Vermont Guardian. The article is an overview of the WTC collapses (Twin Towers & Building 7) and has been well received at 911Blogger.

http://www.vermontguardian.com/commentary/032007/TwinTowers.shtml

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Why the towers fell: Two theories

By William Rice - March 1, 2007

William Rice, P.E., is a registered professional civil engineer who worked on structural steel (and concrete) buildings in Boston, New York, and Philadelphia. He was also a professor at Vermont Technical College where he taught engineering materials, structures lab, and other building related courses.

Having worked on structural steel buildings as a civil engineer in the era when the Twin Towers were designed and constructed, I found some disturbing discrepancies and omissions concerning their collapse on 9/11.

I was particularly interested in the two PBS documentaries that explained the prevailing theories as determined by two government agencies, FEMA and NIST (National Institute of Science and Technology). The first (2002) PBS documentary, Why the Towers Fell, discussed how the floor truss connectors failed and caused a “progressive pancake collapse.”

The subsequent 2006 repackaged documentary Building on Ground Zero explained that the connectors held, but that the columns failed, which is also unlikely. Without mentioning the word “concrete,” the latter documentary compared the three-second collapse of the concrete Oklahoma City Murrah Federal Building with that of the Twin Towers that were of structural steel. The collapse of a concrete-framed building cannot be compared with that of a structural steel-framed building.

Since neither documentary addressed many of the pertinent facts, I took the time to review available material, combine it with scientific and historic facts, and submit the following two theories for consideration.

The prevailing theory

The prevailing theory for the collapse of the 110-story, award-winning Twin Towers is that when jetliners flew into the 95th and 80th floors of the North and South Towers respectively, they severed several of each building’s columns and weakened other columns with the burning of jet fuel/kerosene (and office combustibles).

However, unlike concrete buildings, structural steel buildings redistribute the stress when several columns are removed and the undamaged structural framework acts as a truss network to bridge over the missing columns.

After the 1993 car bomb explosion destroyed columns in the North Tower, John Skilling, the head structural engineer for the Twin Towers, was asked about an airplane strike. He explained that the Twin Towers were originally designed to withstand the impact of a Boeing 707 (similar in size to the Boeing 767). He went on to say that there would be a horrendous fire from the jet fuel, but “the building structure would still be there.”

The 10,000 gallons of jet fuel (half capacity) in each jetliner did cause horrendous fires over several floors, but it would not cause the steel members to melt or even lose sufficient strength to cause a collapse. This is because the short-duration jet fuel fires and office combustible fires cannot create (or transmit to the steel) temperatures hot enough. If a structural steel building could collapse because of fire, it would do so slowly as the various steel members gradually relinquished their structural strength. However, in the 100-year history of structural-steel framed buildings, there is no evidence of any structural steel framed building having collapsed because of fire.

Let’s assume the unlikelihood that these fires could weaken all of the columns to the same degree of heat intensity and thus remove their structural strength equally over the entire floor, or floors, in order to cause the top 30-floor building segment (South Tower WTC #2) to drop vertically and evenly onto the supporting 79th floor. The 30 floors from above would then combine with the 79th floor and fall onto the next level down (78th floor) crushing its columns evenly and so on down into the seven levels below the street level.

The interesting fact is that each of these 110-story Twin Towers fell upon itself in about ten seconds at nearly free-fall speed. This violates Newton’s Law of Conservation of Momentum that would require that as the stationary inertia of each floor is overcome by being hit, the mass (weight) increases and the free-fall speed decreases.

Even if Newton’s Law is ignored, the prevailing theory would have us believe that each of the Twin Towers inexplicably collapsed upon itself crushing all 287 massive columns on each floor while maintaining a free-fall speed as if the 100,000, or more, tons of supporting structural-steel framework underneath didn’t exist.

The politically unthinkable theory

Controlled demolition is so politically unthinkable that the media not only demeans the messenger but also ridicules and “debunks” the message rather than provide investigative reporting. Curiously, it took 441 days for the president’s 9/11 Commission to start an “investigation” into a tragedy where more than 2,500 WTC lives were taken. The Commission’s investigation also didn’t include the possibility of controlled-demolition, nor did it include an investigation into the “unusual and unprecedented” manner in which WTC Building #7 collapsed.

The media has basically kept the collapse of WTC Building #7 hidden from public view. However, instead of the Twin Towers, let’s consider this building now. Building #7 was a 47-story structural steel World Trade Center Building that also collapsed onto itself at free-fall speed on 9/11. This structural steel building was not hit by a jetliner, and collapsed seven hours after the Twin Towers collapsed and five hours after the firemen had been ordered to vacate the building and a collapse safety zone had been cordoned off. Both of the landmark buildings on either side received relatively little structural damage and both continue in use today.

Contrary to the sudden collapse of the Twin Towers and Building #7, the four other smaller World Trade Center buildings #3, #4, #5, and #6, which were severely damaged and engulfed in flames on 9/11, still remained standing. There were no reports of multiple explosions. The buildings had no pools of molten metal (a byproduct of explosives) at the base of their elevator shafts. They created no huge caustic concrete/cement and asbestos dust clouds (only explosives will pulverize concrete into a fine dust cloud), and they propelled no heavy steel beams horizontally for three hundred feet or more.

The collapse of WTC building #7, which housed the offices of the CIA, the Secret Service, and the Department of Defense, among others, was omitted from the government’s 9/11 Commission Report, and its collapse has yet to be investigated.

Perhaps it is time for these and other unanswered questions surrounding 9/11 to be thoroughly investigated. Let’s start by contacting our congressional delegation.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Re the structure of WTC7 see my post on this thread: http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=7558&highlight=
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can't be true. Not a single expert has questioned the official report. All the experts believe the official fairy tale. Bla bla blah....
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 12:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Please don't say Thermate, Thermite or the ****ing Tooth Fairy because that is rubbish.


He must've meant Thermate or Thermite.

So what?

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 12:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Batrabill wrote:
So this...

He claims to know what he is talking about, but says that 'molten metal' is a produced by explosives.

This is false, wrong, and really quite stupid.

If people talk c*** you tend to find what they say less trustworthy, if you have any critical faculties.

Do you have any critical faculties?


As a civil engineer he probably knows a good deal more about what keeps a building up than what is used to bring one down. No big deal.

There, that's what I call 'exercising my critical faculties'.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 12:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Ah, being wrong is OK as long as you subscribe to the Truthers orthodoxy?


Getting a detail wrong outside of your area of expertise shouldn't automatically invalidate opinions that do lie within your area of expertise. Such nitpicking is something done by people who are desperate for a reason to disregard someone's opinion, like yourself, wouldn't you say?

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 12:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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No, the Truth, which is the word at the top of this website is absolute.


Wrong is wrong.

If it's outside your area of expertise and you can't prove it then don't state it as fact.


Ah I see, so there's only two kinds of opinions now? Completely right and completely wrong. What an exciting world you must live in.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 12:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Batrabill wrote:
William Rice says:

The buildings had no pools of molten metal (a byproduct of explosives)


Please, can anyone supply ANY evidence that molten metal is "a byproduct of explosives"

Modern HE goes bang. It doesn't burn, it explodes.

Please don't say Thermate, Thermite or the ****ing Tooth Fairy because that is rubbish.


It seems you're under the impression that thermite is some random idea pulled from The Big Book of Conspiracies.

Thermite is not some CT folklore - its residue has been detected in slag samples from the WTC; and ongoing thermite reactions are a very likely explanation for the excessive temperatures recorded on satellite images and the molten metal seen and reported by the numerous workers at GZ.

Because I suspect you're only trolling, I can't be arsed to quote references, but most reading this will know where to find them.

You've implied previously that you have some demolition knowledge, though frankly I can't see it.

But if so, you no doubt know that prior to most conventional CD's, the steel structure is pre-weakened, usually by partial torch cuts of the main load bearing structure.

It would be quite logical that thermite/thermate could be rigged to achieve that purpose at hi-speed before hi-explosives completed the process.

And yes, technically the heat and shock wave of a hi-explosive charge would produce molten metal droplets. Not puddles - that'd be down to the molten iron produced from the thermite reaction.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 12:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Batrabill wrote:
No, the Truth, which is the word at the top of this website is absolute.


Wrong is wrong.

If it's outside your area of expertise and you can't prove it then don't state it as fact.


I can see your Psychiatrist told you, you need help. But the local sanitary engineer said you were normal, and you take the * cleaners word as expert. You couldn't make it up fool.

You know more than a Structural Engineer, despite having claimed dole all your life. Rolling Eyes

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Batrabill wrote:
No, no, no.

Opinion is opinion.

I think the idea that Mossad or the CIA or the BBC decided to wire up three major buildings in new York with untested explosive charges then comandeer 4 aeroplanes using remote control while flying a missile into the Pentagon and spiriting a lot of people away to who knows where is tripe. That is an opinion. You can disagree all you want.

The question I wanted answered is "What is the evidence that molten metal is a by-product of demolition"

The answer to that question would be a fact.

As in, when this building was demolished molten metal was found here.

The fact is, there is no such evidence, therefore Mr Rice was talking through his backside.

Do you understand that?

As I say, are you a moderator?


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You have not read what is written by William Rice. Funny how you suddenly became dyslexic overnight.

Of course, you will dismiss the above link containing statement from a firefighter regarding molten metal.

You have just been told by the local jehovahs witnesses that it was in fact orange juice that was found, not molten metal, and have taken the word of a witness.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 1:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Batrabill wrote:
It seems you're under the impression that thermite is some random idea pulled from The Big Book of Conspiracies. YOU'RE CATCHING ON

Thermite is not some CT folklore - its residue has been detected in slag samples from the WTC; and ongoing thermite reactions are a very likely

NO WHY?

explanation for the excessive temperatures recorded on satellite images and the molten metal seen and reported by the numerous workers at GZ. NO, NOT TRUE.

Because I suspect you're only trolling, I can't be arsed to quote references,

but most reading this will know where to find them.

You've implied previously that you have some demolition knowledge, though frankly I can't see it.

But if so, you no doubt know that prior to most conventional CD's, the steel structure is pre-weakened, usually by partial torch cuts of the main load bearing structure.

It would be quite logical that thermite/thermate could be rigged to achieve that purpose at hi-speed before hi-explosives completed the process.

I REALLY THINK YOU ARE CONFUSING "QUITE LOGICAL" WITH "I CAN CONCEIVE OF A SCENARIO WHERE..." THEY ARE NOT THE SAME THING
SO THE DEMOLITION WAS USING A DOUBLE SYSTEM WHERE THERMATE DID THE PRE-WEAKENING AND HE DID THE REST? WHY? FACTS PLEASE. PRE-WEAKENING AND CUTTING A COLUMN ARE THE SAME THING DONE AT DIFFERENT TIMES. EITHER YOU WANT TO CUT A COLUMN OR YOU DONT. IF YOU WANT TO CUT A STEEL COLUMN YOU WOULD USE A SHAPED CHARGE. WHERE DOES THERMATE/THERMITE COME IN. IT IS A FICTION INVENTED TO EXPLAIN A HOT SPOT IN A COLLAPSED BUILDING.

And yes, technically the heat and shock wave of a hi-explosive charge would produce molten metal droplets. Not puddles - that'd be down to the molten iron produced from the thermite reaction. WHAT?

TAKING c*** AGAIN


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 1:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Batrabill wrote:
The question I wanted answered is "What is the evidence that molten metal is a by-product of demolition"

The answer to that question would be a fact.

As in, when this building was demolished molten metal was found here.

The fact is, there is no such evidence, therefore Mr Rice was talking through his backside.

Do you understand that?

As I say, are you a moderator?


In the context of the WTC demolitions his statement is true - molten metal was found on the sites of Buildings 1, 2 and 7, which corresponds exactly to the satellite hot spots.
It's documented - why are you denying this fact?

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 1:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Batrabill wrote:
The question I wanted answered is "What is the evidence that molten metal is a by-product of demolition"

The answer to that question would be a fact.

As in, when this building was demolished molten metal was found here.

The fact is, there is no such evidence, therefore Mr Rice was talking through his backside.

Do you understand that?

As I say, are you a moderator?


In the context of the WTC demolitions his statement is true - molten metal was found on the sites of Buildings 1, 2 and 7, which corresponds exactly to the satellite hot spots.
It's documented - why are you denying this fact?


Chek, you are wasting your time with this idiot. People like him become dyslexic when they need to be, in order to appear right. But the fool is kidding himself.

If he is going name call and insult truthers, is he really worth the energy expense in trying to get him to knock his head into gear? Wink

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Batrabill wrote:
Mr Rice said this: The buildings had no pools of molten metal (a byproduct of explosives) at the base of their elevator shafts.

Which is wrong.


Yet earlier, you quote this:

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The question I wanted answered is "What is the evidence that molten metal is a by-product of demolition"

The answer to that question would be a fact.

As in, when this building was demolished molten metal was found here.
The fact is, there is no such evidence, therefore Mr Rice was talking through his backside.


Goodbye son, you have just been wasted.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 1:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Gosh Serge, you are stupid, even by the standards of this site.

Molten metal is NOT a byproduct of explosives used in demolition.



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• Molten metal found in the debris of the World Trade Center may have been the result of a high-temperature reaction of a commonly used explosive such as thermite, he says. Buildings not felled by explosives "have insufficient directed energy to result in melting of large quantities of metal," Jones says.


Try again fool.

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Gosh Serge, you are stupid, even by the standards of this site.

Molten metal is NOT a byproduct of explosives used in demolition.


Hmm I see what you mean, perhaps you've read this article?

Mike King wrote:

Eye-witness accounts of the presence of molten metal at high temperatures in the basement rubble of the Twin Towers and WTC7 have led Jones to speculate that the industrial compound thermite was responsible, and is hence evidence for the CD theory.



Jones: “I maintain that these observations are consistent with the use of high-temperature cutter-charges such as thermite, HMX or RDX or some combination thereof, routinely used to melt/cut/demolish steel.”



But thermite is an incendiary, a vastly different product to HMX and RDX which are military explosives like TNT that can be used in civilian demolition projects. Thermite is a slow-burning product in comparison, does not explode, and, as far as I can determine, is never used in demolition of buildings. It can be used to melt horizontal pieces of steel, because it produces molten iron at up to 2,500 degrees centigrade, which flows onto the target and melts it. It cannot be used to melt vertical structures, because the molten iron simply flows past the target. Thermite is used to quietly destroy military equipment such as artillery (by inserting it down an up-pointing barrel), but more regularly in construction, for example, to weld rails together.



Hence the CD theory is not supported by the quantities of molten metal, because thermite in its conventional form is useless in demolition: it is slow-burning, with unpredictable time to melt, and can only be used in direct contact with horizontal unclad steel beams / components. (The horizontal steel members in the Twin Towers were covered by at least 4 inches of concrete.) Prototype thermite cutter torches have been developed which could cut steel at any angle, but they work by producing as stream of high-velocity, high-temperature combustion products. Any iron produced by such a cutter would be dispersed as as droplets and would only in exceptional circumstances pool into any significant quantities of molten iron. It is more likely that a film of iron particles, mixed with aluminium oxide particles, would be deposited on nearby surfaces. However this is speculation on my part as I cannot find any reference to commercially available thermite cutter torches. If anyone can provide information on such devices I would be pleased to hear from them. Nano-thermites, mentioned by Jones, are also ruled out because they operate more like an explosive, and so would disperse iron particles as I suggest above. The thermite lance, a variant that uses a long iron tube with aluminium rods running through it, is ruled out as far as I can tell because it would require an operative

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So thermate would have been an innovative solution to CD. But then I would have thought that if the collapses of the WTC towers were CD, expecting entirely conventional methods doesn't seem reasonable. As the author of the above piece notes, themate is a substance that the military are familiar with. If the CD of the WTC towers was a black op, it's not inconceivable that thermate could have been used as an innovative way of quietly carving up the steel structure of the building. That said there were enough reports of explosions to account for the use of explosives, as well as some tell-tale signs that were photographed before they were criminally carted off and destroyed.

As beams were apparently clad in concrete in WTC1 and 2, it seems that they would have to have been drilled into in order to place thermate inside in order to cut effectively. That's interesting, because it fits with reports of large quantities of dust of unknown origin being found in the WTC following the mysterious work done in the weeks prior to the collapse.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 1:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If you want to refute the hypothesis that incendiaries of some sort produced the molten metal observed in the basements of WTC 1, 2 & 7 - please provide an alternative hypothesis that accounts for the molten metal.

We know there was molten metal...................so how did it get there if not incendiaries?

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 2:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Serge wrote:

Chek, you are wasting your time with this idiot. People like him become dyslexic when they need to be, in order to appear right. But the fool is kidding himself.

If he is going name call and insult truthers, is he really worth the energy expense in trying to get him to knock his head into gear? Wink



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There's something very wrong in the world ( to paraphrase), and they know it too, the poor phukked up dears.

Just look in Critics Corner, the same old crowd of lost, directionless souls loitering about here like a wizened gaggle of raddled old groupies at a Stones concert waiting for some action.

Normally it'd be pitiful, but we should remember enlightenment is not just for the few but for everybody.

They know this too, they just don't yet know how to express it.

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batrabill, where are you? gone quiet all of a sudden. Why? whats up chump?
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Totally unacceptable language from Batrabill

To that end his posts on this thread have been moved into the moderator section for consideration

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 5:18 am    Post subject: Why the towers fell: Two theories Reply with quote

"This violates Newton’s Law of Conservation of Momentum that would require that as the stationary inertia of each floor is overcome by being hit, the mass (weight) increases and the free-fall speed decreases."

Actually that would be fall speed, not free-fall speed. It can also be argued that the speed would increase, because of the increasing mass of flours which are falling onto the floors below. However, no matter how we argue about this, it still cannot possibly fall at anywhere near free-fall speed (unless explosives were used)!! Generally a good article and the truth will be known. Smile
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 6:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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But thermite is an incendiary, a vastly different product to HMX and RDX which are military explosives like TNT that can be used in civilian demolition projects. Thermite is a slow-burning product in comparison, does not explode, and, as far as I can determine, is never used in demolition of buildings.


Never used in commercial demolition? Perhaps so. Never used in a covert (quiet) demolition? A demolition that you want to look (a bit) like a collapse? Now you're guessing...

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry I had to go off and plot.

It's the Gandalf stuff that's got your goat isn't it?

If so, I'm really sorry I pointed out that every one of your posts has Gandalf on it.
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Batrabill wrote:
Sorry I had to go off and plot.

It's the Gandalf stuff that's got your goat isn't it?

If so, I'm really sorry I pointed out that every one of your posts has Gandalf on it.


Batrabill, are you here to play childish games or are do you actually want a debate? I've yet to see any evidence you're capable of engaging your critical faculties rather than 'talking c***' as you so eloquently put it.

There are anomalies in the WTC collapses that Mr. Rice points out that you seem utterly determined to ignore. There clearly was molten steel at ground zero, there clearly were numerous explosions throughout the buildings, and what glimpses we were permitted of the structural steel before it was carted off and destroyed do seem to be consistent with the use off cutting charges (diagonally sliced beams as in Thermate's avatar). What makes you so rabidly sure that CD can be ruled out? Other than the fact that you're deep in denial that is.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 1:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh dear...
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 1:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is Gandalf...

And quite right too.


Goodnight and good luck.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 2:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Batrabill wrote:
It is Gandalf...

And quite right too.


Goodnight and good luck.


Don't fall out of your tree house will you Laughing Laughing , and don't forget to tie the plastic doors closed on your wendy house too.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 8:07 pm    Post subject: Thread from 2003 Reply with quote

Here is an interesting thread from 2003, scroll down for the guys comments on the use of thermate bombs - actually the whole thread makes interesting reading..........


http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=21830&Disp=46

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