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Linda Validated Poster
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Westgate Minor Poster
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Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 10:22 am Post subject: hmmm |
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Do you get the impression that one or two people are starting to climb on the bandwagon? I wonder if we are just beginning to see a realisation of the growth in the Truth Movement worldwide, is the 'critical mass' point being reached - people now thinking the previously unmentionable, that just maybe we might actually be correct after all? _________________ Confidence, is the feeling you get before you understand the problem. |
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QuitTheirClogs Trustworthy Freedom Fighter
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Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 10:59 am Post subject: Re: hmmm |
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Westgate wrote: | Do you get the impression that one or two people are starting to climb on the bandwagon? I wonder if we are just beginning to see a realisation of the growth in the Truth Movement worldwide, is the 'critical mass' point being reached - people now thinking the previously unmentionable, that just maybe we might actually be correct after all? |
The bandwagon is beginning to roll and people are going to look pretty stupid if they are left behind. _________________ Simon - http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/
David Ray Griffin - 9/11: the Myth & the Reality
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-275577066688213413 |
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xmasdale Angel - now passed away
Joined: 25 Jul 2005 Posts: 1959 Location: South London
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Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 11:48 am Post subject: |
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Current publicity for the Diana and the David Kelly cases are likely to increase public scepticism of the integrity of the powers that be. |
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Zabooka Moderate Poster
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Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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I am just going to say that, people who still think Michael Moore might be some sort of shill or disinfo agent, please stop.
I don't think you would be saying that, if you have read his books, esp. DownSize This and also seen "The Big One". This guy comes from a truly grass roots background, he really comes from the same background as all the suffering poor, weak and defenceless under classes of America.
Just cause he can't believe 911 was an Inside Job, is not his fault, don't forget its a shocking statement and 911 itself was a shocking event, that's the purpose of it as a psi-op (forgot spelling, please someone correct if they can). Its meant to be something so incredible that people think, nah no way.
I respect Michael Moore and I am a fan of him. Hopefully, if we do our job right, we and many others would come on board, and let us not criticise them just because they get on as its becoming a fashionable or convenient bandwagon or something. Let us welcome them all in with warm greetings.
Plus, he is probably surrounded by people who are 911 Deniers, who visit 911Myths and memorise that stuff. In fact, it only takes one guy who loves that stuff to be amongst his company to do the damage and keep him and others away. We have to work harder than them that's all. But please, stop the hate, the labelling and name-calling. It really just makes us look bad and feeds the fires of those who are now starting to label us cultists!
I though conspiracy theorist nuts was bad enough. |
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QuitTheirClogs Trustworthy Freedom Fighter
Joined: 09 Feb 2007 Posts: 630 Location: Manchester
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Cindy Sheehan supports a New, Independent 9/11 Investigation
Copied from 911blogger:
Last night Cindy Sheehan came to Burlington, Vermont as part of a three day state tour to speak out against the war. It was held at the University of Vermont and there was time at the end for a question and answer session. Because of a ballot item being voted on this Tuesday, March 7, asking Burlington voters to support a new, independent forensic investigation into the events surrounding 9/11, a man asked Cindy what her stance was on 9/11. Here is a 3 minute video below.
Cindy Sheehan states her position on 9/11 Truth at Billings Auditorium at the University of Vermont where she came to speak in support of impeachment measures being put before voters on Town Meeting Day.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKdkmu5SGGY
http://www.911blogger.com/node/6627?page=1
Wikipedia:
Cindy Lee Miller Sheehan (born July 10, 1957) is an American anti-Iraq War activist, whose son, Casey Sheehan, was killed during his service in Iraq. She attracted international attention in August 2005 for her extended demonstration at a peace camp outside President George W. Bush's Texas ranch.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cindy_Sheehan _________________ Simon - http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/
David Ray Griffin - 9/11: the Myth & the Reality
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-275577066688213413 |
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sidlittle Minor Poster
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Quote: | The year that Moore claimed in "Stupid White Men" that he didn't own any stock, he told the IRS that a foundation totally controlled by Moore and his wife had more than $280,000 in corporate stock and nearly $100,000 in corporate bonds.
Over the past five years, Moore's holdings have "included such evil pharmaceutical and medical companies as Pfizer, Merck, Genzyme, Elan PLC, Eli Lilly, Becton Dickinson and Boston Scientific," writes Schweizer, whose earlier works include "The Bushes" and "Reagan's War."
"Moore's supposedly nonexistent portfolio also includes big bad energy giants like Sunoco, Noble Energy, Schlumberger, Williams Companies, Transocean Sedco Forex and Anadarko, all firms that 'deplete irreplaceable fossil fuels in the name of profit' as he put it in ‘Dude, Where's My Country?'
"And in perhaps the ultimate irony, he also has owned shares in Halliburton. According to IRS filings, Moore sold Halliburton for a 15 percent profit and bought shares in Noble, Ford, General Electric (another defense contractor), AOL Time Warner (evil corporate media) and McDonald's.
"Also on Moore's investment menu: defense contractors Honeywell, Boeing and Loral."
Does Moore share the stock proceeds of his "foundation" with charitable causes, you might ask?
Schweizer found that "for a man who by 2002 had a net worth in eight figures, he gave away a modest $36,000 through the foundation, much of it to his friends in the film business or tony cultural organizations that later provided him with venues to promote his books and film."
Moore's hypocrisy doesn't end with his financial holdings.
He has criticized the journalism industry and Hollywood for their lack of African-Americans in prominent positions, and in 1998 he said he personally wanted to hire minorities "who come from the working class."
In "Stupid White Men," he proclaimed his plans to "hire only black people."
But when Schweizer checked the senior credits for Moore's latest film "Fahrenheit 911," he found that of the movie's 14 producers, three editors, production manager and production coordinator, all 19 were white. So were all three cameramen and the two people who did the original music.
On "Bowling for Columbine," 13 of the 14 producers were white, as were the two executives in charge of production, the cameramen, the film editor and the music composer.
His show "TV Nation" had 13 producers, four film editors and 10 writers – but not a single African-American among them.
And as for Moore's insistence on portraying himself as "working class" and an "average Joe," Schweizer recounts this anecdote:
"When Moore flew to London to visit people at the BBC or promote a film, he took the Concorde and stayed at the Ritz. But he also allegedly booked a room at a cheap hotel down the street where he could meet with journalists and pose as a ‘man of humble circumstances.'"
That's hypocrisy with a capital H! |
www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/11/3/150518.shtml _________________ 'To disagree with three-fourths of the British public is one of the first requisites of sanity.' Oscar Wilde |
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Zabooka Moderate Poster
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Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 1:01 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | Peter Schweizer (b. 1964) is a conservative author and a research fellow at the Hoover Institute. His book Do as I Say (Not as I Do): Profiles in Liberal Hypocrisy received praise from conservative political pundits including Bill O'Reilly.
Schweizer's book Reagan's War was the basis of the documentary film In the Face of Evil. The book recounts Ronald Reagan's multi-decade struggle against Communism and credits him with winning the Cold War. |
courtesy of WikiPedia.
sidlittle - thats the guy that wrote all that stuff about Michael Moore, a Republican. |
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Reflecter Validated Poster
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Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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Fantastic to hear Mike has a few questions. I have great respect for him aswell as he has opened many peoples eyes to media spin, fear media, Bush connections, the patriot act and the phony left-right paradigm. His book 'Will they ever trust us again' highlights and number of soldiers and contractors well aware of the con and corruption they are under aswell. He will have started many looking even though F911 didnt scratch the surface so it could get aired widely.
However I had heard of is portfolio and yes I expect some is Republicrat slur but some maybe true. I hope not too much.
But Cindy Sheehan on board. Holy smoke thats HUGE news!
The fact she is open to it but undecided, supports a new investigation and recommends people continue to digg is fantastic. Shame she wasnt so open when Rick Siegel had his plans for DC and striking the Root.
I would suggest everyone writing politely to her to thank her for more or less coming aboard. She needs to see she is supported in crossing the mainstream arguments line. _________________ The Peoples United Collective TPUC.ORG
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fixuplooksharp Moderate Poster
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moore is a fraud. one of the only things i rate jonesy for is that time he waited for moore outside a restaurant and asks him "why don't you talk about NORAD?" to which moore replies "becuase that would be unamerican" |
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Pete J Minor Poster
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Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 11:01 pm Post subject: Moore Fraud |
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Quote: | moore is a fraud. one of the only things i rate jonesy for is that time he waited for moore outside a restaurant and asks him "why don't you talk about NORAD?" to which moore replies "becuase that would be unamerican"
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Do you really think so ?!
I saw a video of that particular moment. I never interperated Moore's response as anything other than sarcasm. It had completely the opposite effect on me as it seems to have had on you - i.e. that it made me realise that from a very early point in time that Moore was well aware of the problems with acountability of the official story. I also saw him question the lack of wreckage at the Pentagon about 4 years ago when it was still utterly taboo.
Also, I've never ever seen him spring to the defence of the OCT.
I think there is a question mark about the depth of Moore's sceptisiscm of the official account (he has shown that he has some) but I definitely don't feel an overwhelming need to be refering to someone like him as a 'fraud'. I think he's in fact potentially massive ally of the 9/11 truth movement.
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Zabooka Moderate Poster
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Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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Pete J, I agree with you completely, in fact, having known Moore, his style, comedy and use of wording, I saw it as sarcasm too!
Plus, I want to make it CLEAR!! That I have watched Bowling for Columbine again yesterday or the day before. Its like the 5th or 6th time I have watched it. There is nothing about abolishing the right to bear arms. All Moore discusses is if we need to look at it again. The documentary is a clear discussion of many facets of a complex big problem.
Moore is more than likely blaming the Media, the Govt, the racism, the capitalist corporate world, the arms manufacturers irresponsibility, and so forth.
Someone give me a quote about him suggesting we should ban guns in America from the common citizens home. There is none.
Also, Moore looks at Canada, which also allows the right to bear arms, but they are not going nuts killing each other. So that its clearly showing how its not blaming the fact that guns are everywhere for the crazy gun culture of America.
Moore takes a stab at the NRA, rightly SO! For it was tasteless and irresponsible for how it reacted to Columbine and other youth gun incidents. For instance, the NRA could educate people to be a lot more sensible and responsible with their guns, like they do in Canada and other countries.
Michael Moore is NOT A FRAUD! Not a dis-info agent, is against the official story, was praised in "911 Press For Truth", etc, etc.
Again... I do not believe anyone would be saying this if they really knew Michael Moore, if they have seen his documentaries and read his books properly. Instead of passing judgements or carrying the judgements of others and then going to work with Moore whilst already having those prejudices and pre-conclusions. This is the same behaviour of many people who deny 911 Truth, such as Guy Smith, as was clearly shown when he came on Alex Jones radio show with Dylan and someone else from UK 911 Truth. |
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