WTC7 - What time was it's pending collapse first indicated?

[Westgate]

Just a thought - but from the vast reservoir of knowledge now available from all the forums contributors, let's start analysing what we all have recorded regarding the actual times various people mentioned that WTC7 was about to come down.

I will go away and look at my material - we must all have reams and reams of this between us by now - and let's log the times of every report we can find. Let's then make up a timeline, which hopefully will reveal when the first report was mentioned - then take it from there.

Then if we all stand back and review what we have, just maybe, a more coherent picture will reveal itself.

Perhaps something like:-

First report at......... from.............
Then reported at........from..........
Fireman said at..........
etc etc

Perhaps this has already been done? If so, a link would be much appreciated. I will look at Paul Thompson's excellent timeline first of course!

Just a thought - there is so much energy out there now - let's start focusing on definite information, from all the many experts contributing to this excellent forum.

[Westgate]

Source 'The Terror Timeline' by Paul Thompson - pages 441 & 466

After 9.59am - WTC Building 7 Evacuated; Exact Timing unclear - According to a soldier on temporary duty there, WTC Building 7 is evacuated before the second tower is hit, ie before 9.03am (DC Military 10/18/01) - However, a firefighter who arrived there after the second tower was hit was told that the building was being evacuated due to reports of a third plane (JEMS and Fire Rescue Supplement 3/02) - indicating that two planes had already crashed.

After 9.59am: WTC Building 7 appears damaged - WTC Building 7 appears to have suffered significant damage at some point after the WTC towers had collapsed, according to firefighters at the scene. Firefighter Butch Brandies tells other firefighters that nobody is to go into Building 7 because of creaking and noises coming out of there (Firehouse Magazine 8/02) - According to Deputy Chief Peter Hayden, there is a bulge in the southwest corner of the building between floors 10 & 13 (Firehouse Magazine 4/02) - Battalion Chief John Norman later recalls "At the edge of the south face you could see that it was very heavily damaged" (Firehouse Magazine 5/02) - Deputy Chief Nick Visconti also later recalls recounts "A big chunk of the lower floor had been taken out on the Vesey Street side"
Captain Chris Boyle recalls "On the south side of 7 there had to be a hole 20 stories tall in the building, with fire on several floors (Firehouse Magazine 8/02) The building will collapse hours later.

4.10pm - WTC Building 7 burning - World Trade Centre Building 7 is reported to be on fire - (CNN 9/12/01)

4.30pm - WTC Building 7 area is evacuated - The area around WTC Building 7 is evacuated at this time (Kansas City Star, 3/28/04) - New York Fire Department chief officers, who have surveyed the building, have determined it is in danger of collapsing. Several senior firefighters have described this decision-making process. According to fire chief Daniel Nigro, "The biggest decision we had to make was to clear the area and create a collapse zone around the severely damaged [WTC Building 7]. A number of fire officers and companies assessed the damage to the building. The appraisals indicated that the building's integrity was in serious doubt (Fire Engineering 9/02)

5.20pm - WTC Building 7 collapses; Cause Remains Unclear.

[Wokeman]

Westgate,
No. There was no loss of integrity of WTC7. Larry Silverstein said "I remember getting a call from the, er, fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, "We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it." And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse.
http://www.serendipity.li/wot/wtc7newspaper.htm

But the "fires" in WTC7 were insignificant, and in any case, a structure like WTC (about the same height as Canary Wharf in London's dockland) cannot be 'pulled' ie demolished on anyone's say-so. It must be prepared for controlled demolition days or even weeks in advance. There was no "loss of life" in that particular building, it had been evacuated earlier. It did contain however, the records of a New York based CIA office, accounts of the Enron corporation, and those of other doubtful institutions. Two thousand, eight hundred people were murdered in WTC1 and 2, that day, and six weeks before 9/11 the property company had insured the WTC complex against a terrorist attack. After 9/11, it claimed $7,000,000,000,000 in compensation after successful claiming that instead of one payment of £3.5 bil, for one attack, there should be a payout of two, ie $7bil. Large Scotches all round. Cheers!

[Westgate]

Thanks for that Wokeman - do you also have any times and remarks to add/help build the WTC7 timeline?

[fixuplooksharp]

In a related note which is of interest here, BBC World was (I’m reasonably sure) being run by a woman called Dame Pauline Neville-Jones in 2001. BBC World is also not funded by the British state, which many people won’t know, but is funded by corporate donations and other “sponsors.”

Anyhow, Dame Pauline once headed the Joint Intelligence Committee in the UK, a body which brings together the heads of the various British intelligence bodies with political leaders. She went from intelligence, to running the BBC World Service (radio) from which BBC World was spun off in 1995.

Since leaving the BBC World Service, she has taken up a role on the board of QinetiQ (a corporation spun off from the UK defense establishment, from the privatization of which the Carlyle Group recently made a killing). She is also on the advisory board of the Intelligence Summit – where she joins Richard Perle, Kenneth Timmerman, Alrezi Jafarzadeh (the source of the U.S. “intelligence” on Iranian nuclear weapons programs).

I thought that might be of interest, but as for any broader implications, I have nothing to add.

[Bryan]

[KP50]

It seems like WTC7 was very fire-prone on this day.

[KP50]

The Commission Report states that the OEM was evacuated at 9.30am when there were reports of a 3rd hijacked plane. So I wonder why the fire is mentioned in my previous post - by the same man who later claimed at the Commission a different reason for the evacuation.

[Westgate]

As I have always found - Paul Thompson's work is so meticulous - so let's add some more information:-


http://www.cooperativeresearch.net/context.jsp?item=a1028firefightersw tc7#a1028firefighterswtc7

[Westgate]

The other thread - in the news section - points to this link

http://www.911blogger.com/node/6195

Indira Singh mentions 1200 noon or 1300 when the triage was moved because of 7's unstable condition.

The other interviewees give many times when they were told of WTC7's problems, but 1200/1300 seems earliest mention so far.

[Batrabill]

1990 Truffers born
2005 Truffers parents give them computer
2005 Loose Change released to YouTube the Vatican of Truffers
2007 The BBC c***-up video is found proving BBC cocks-up
2007 Truffers tell their parents not to pay licence fee
2007 Truffers parents ignore Truffers
2007 Truffers get really cross and fail one of their GCSEs

[Eckyboy]

Taken from The Thompson timeline is this very interesting bit of information.

"6:47 a.m.: WTC Building 7 Alarm Not OperatingAccording to later reports, the alarm system in WTC 7 is placed on “TEST” status for a period due to last eight hours. This ordinarily happens during maintenance or other testing, and any alarms received from the building are generally ignored. [National Institute of Standards and Technology, 6/2004, pp. 28 ]
Entity Tags: World Trade Center
Category Tags: All Day of 9/11 Events, WTC Investigation"


Meaning that whatever was happening in WTC7 was going to be ignored.