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New audio/video evidence closes 9/11 case!

 
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 10:37 am    Post subject: New audio/video evidence closes 9/11 case! Reply with quote

Dear All,

a wonderful piece of evidence provided by a link from webguy@stoplying.ca:

http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=-5860825099435530591

Also Steven Jones latest Controlled Demolition Scientific Evidence paper:

Controlled Demolition Scientific Evidence
http://www.journalof911studies.org/articles/Why%20Indeed%20Did%20the%2 0WTC%20Buildings%20Completely%20Collapse%20Jones%20Thermite%20World%20 Trade%20Center%20J24.pdf

All I can say is thanks for the link Webguy, amazing!

Cheers

Ian


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=6056
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 1:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK slapped wrist, I copied and pasted it from a link...so where's the appreciation for posting the link to this video providing audio evidence of explosvies going off!

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The comments on 911blogger are that the audio on the collapse clip has been faked.

http://www.911blogger.com/node/6612

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes there is another clip with different audio, but I think this may be the genuine audio - linked below is the same clip, only a bit better quality - I gather the one linked above is recorded with a video camera from the TV or something.
I gleaned this from the comments.

Discovery Channel Clip

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am a trifle unsure exactly why a collapsing skyscraper wouldn't sound very much like explosions?
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 6:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

telecasterisation wrote:
I am a trifle unsure exactly why a collapsing skyscraper wouldn't sound very much like explosions?


I am a trifle unsure whether you believe 911 was an inside job.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 6:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The audio on this YouTube clip is very similar.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHz9YWVgJWM

My guess is that neither are faked. There is ample earwitness testimony of explosive sounds.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 5:23 pm    Post subject: Re: New Audio /Video Evidence Closes 9/11 Case! Reply with quote

mediadisbeliever wrote:
Dear All,

a wonderful piece of evidence provided by a link from webguy@stoplying.ca:

http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=-5860825099435530591

Also Steven Jones latest Controlled Demolition Scientific Evidence paper:

Controlled Demolition Scientific Evidence
http://www.journalof911studies.org/articles/Why%20Indeed%20Did%20the%2 0WTC%20Buildings%20Completely%20Collapse%20Jones%20Thermite%20World%20 Trade%20Center%20J24.pdf

All I can say is thanks for the link Webguy, amazing!

Cheers


Ian


Purely in the spirit of objective, scientific argument, here is a refutation of Professor Jones' paper by Morgan Reynolds and Professor Wood. http://janedoe0911.tripod.com/why_indeed.html

It's painful to see the poor science......
(Take that whichever way you like or even both ways, for that matter).

I quote from Reynolds & Wood:
"Jones states he was unconvinced about 9/11 demolitions until he learned about yellow-hot molten metal Jones [pdf (7/19/06) p. 45] yet last fall emphasized speed, symmetry and sequence of puffs or squibs at WTC 7 as evidence for demolition. It was not until mid-February 2006 that he discussed yellow-hot metal pouring out of a WTC 2 window. Our fear is that concentration on molten metal is a distraction and a path to a destination most people do not want to go. There are many ways to cut steel and the exact method is not all that important. Thermite cannot pulverize an entire building and make molten metal burn for 100 days. Something far more powerful was used and Jones avoids the question."

Precisely. Anyone who can flip-flop from not seeing ANY evidence for controlled demolition in all the footage (i.e., not noticing the obvious sign of the free-fall speed of the towers) to suddenly being converted merely by ambiguous evidence for thermite in yellow, liquid metal flowing out of WTC 2 has be treated with suspicion. By focussing so exclusively on evidence for thermite/thermate in the samples he analyzed, which the debunkers can easily dismiss as contamination from its use by workers at Ground Zero to cut up girders (see the evidence in Figs 14(a), (b) & (c) at http://janedoe0911.tripod.com/why_indeed.html), he leads everyone down an easily debunked cul-de-sac of his own making and makes everyone ignore the biggest problem of all: what energy source could have pulverized nearly all the metal, concrete and office contents into little more than dust?
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 10:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree. Professor Jones's work is soft on the issues of possible use of classified weapons, and indeed he and another physicist, Greg Jenkins seem to have an indecent urgency in their mission to rule such weapons out of the equation; a difficult thing to do as they are by their nature as yet unverified. A more honest and wise course of action would be to welcome Wood and Reynolds' work while acknowledging what they themselves would surely accept - that their theories are templates in the absence of hard fact and must await confirmation by whistleblowers or forensic discovery. What is wrong with informed guesswork as long as it is understood to be that?
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 11:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

andrewwatson wrote:
What is wrong with informed guesswork as long as it is understood to be that?


Nothing
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