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Nobody here but us chickens. The Jury is still out....
Postscript from abroad
1997 was a hard year for the Masons. Footage filmed inside two separate lodges by hidden cameras was shown on Channel 7 of Turkey repeatedly for days. The scenes captured shocked the Turkish people as well as the Grand Masters of Freemasonry. Some footage recorded the Satan-worshipping rite that can be practiced only at the 33rd degree Grand Master level. The Grand Master conducting the ritual was drinking the blood of a goat killed in the middle of the lodge, and ending the ceremony by offering prayers in Hebrew to Satan. In another scene, as part of a Masonic ritual, two new Masons had swords pushed against their chests and were threatened with death. In yet another scene filmed in the same lodge, a Masonic "marriage ceremony" was being conducted-something that Freemasonry had always denied as non-existent.
http://www.globalfreemasonry.com/knight_templars_04.html
My research into Ataturk took a twist today. There is a pretty convincing story going the rounds (in Turkish) that he was slow poisoned by Bolshevick Jews because he was going to close down the Lodges in Turkey.
I particularly liked
| Quote: | | NASA insists the space suits the astronauts supposedly wore on the lunar surface were air conditioned. An air conditioner cannot, and will not work without a heat exchanger. A heat exchanger simply takes heat gathered in a medium such as freon from one place and transfers it to another place. This requires a medium of molecules which can absorb and transfer the heat such as an atmosphere or water. An air conditioner will not and cannot work in a vacuum. A space suit surrounded by a vacuum cannot transfer heat from the inside of the suit to any other place. The vacuum, remember, is a perfect insulator. A man would roast in his suit in such a circumstance. |
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/masonapo.htm
And no, neither am I a bible believer.
Then I saw her face....
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| rodin wrote: | Nobody here but us chickens. The Jury is still out....
Postscript from abroad
1997 was a hard year for the Masons. Footage filmed inside two separate lodges by hidden cameras was shown on Channel 7 of Turkey repeatedly for days. The scenes captured shocked the Turkish people as well as the Grand Masters of Freemasonry. Some footage recorded the Satan-worshipping rite that can be practiced only at the 33rd degree Grand Master level. The Grand Master conducting the ritual was drinking the blood of a goat killed in the middle of the lodge, and ending the ceremony by offering prayers in Hebrew to Satan. In another scene, as part of a Masonic ritual, two new Masons had swords pushed against their chests and were threatened with death. In yet another scene filmed in the same lodge, a Masonic "marriage ceremony" was being conducted-something that Freemasonry had always denied as non-existent.
http://www.globalfreemasonry.com/knight_templars_04.html
My research into Ataturk took a twist today. There is a pretty convincing story going the rounds (in Turkish) that he was slow poisoned by Bolshevick Jews because he was going to close down the Lodges in Turkey.
I particularly liked
| Quote: | | NASA insists the space suits the astronauts supposedly wore on the lunar surface were air conditioned. An air conditioner cannot, and will not work without a heat exchanger. A heat exchanger simply takes heat gathered in a medium such as freon from one place and transfers it to another place. This requires a medium of molecules which can absorb and transfer the heat such as an atmosphere or water. An air conditioner will not and cannot work in a vacuum. A space suit surrounded by a vacuum cannot transfer heat from the inside of the suit to any other place. The vacuum, remember, is a perfect insulator. A man would roast in his suit in such a circumstance. |
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/masonapo.htm
And no, neither am I a bible believer.
Then I saw her face.... |
You're confusing me now - first you say the masons are run by Jews, now you're hinting they're satanists. Jews don't like satan. If they did, they wouldn't be Jews, they'd be satanists.
Can you link to the footage itself? Is it on the web? Sounds interesting.
Mind you, it's not that dramatic. Drinking the blood of a goat sounds a bit yuck, but then millions around the world ritually carve up and eat a partially burned disemboweled dead bird every December. Often, internal organs and the neck are placed in a little bag and stuffed up its arse. Pretty strong stuff.
Prayers to satan is a bit 'evil', but spending my formative years listening to extreme metal makes me regard that as a bit camp.
The swords bit sounds like ritual drama and strikes me as likely pretty unspectacular.
If I sound a bit flippant, it's because I don't think it 'proves' anything beyond a group of people being very silly. I don't think real naughty boys like P2 messed around like that - they just got the job done. Curiously, the article goes on about the masons trying to push secular humanism. The antics described are not those of secular humanists
Interestingly, the article talks about the Templars. Now I know some masons utilise Templar inagery but claim they just adopted it.
The Templars were, of course, knocking about in the Middle East on Islamic turf. Many have suggested their 'blasphemies' may have been influenced by Islam (the widely misunderstood enemy). In which case, the masons may have a bit of stuff that's muslim influenced if there were indeed a direct connections. Anyway, no-one really knows.
This article is quite interesting and thoughtful -
http://www.templarhistory.com/solved.html
I've not gone near the moon stuff - there's already a whole thread going on about that.
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| rodin wrote: | Socıalısm ıs the ultımate monopoly. It ıs a mısnomer. What we really have ıs fascısm wearıng a mask. One whıch ıs slıppıng badly ıf you pay attentıons to the loss of freedom.
Fascısm = State owned by Busıness. Communısm = Busıness owned by state. Socıalısm = somethıng ın between the two. It's all about busıness and state lınked dırectly one way or the other. Thıs ıs how monopolıes are enforced. Backsheesh. Legıslatıon. Rules. For them.
What ıs capıtalısm? Defıne ıt. I own two houses and mıght rent one. Am I a capıtalıst? |
I missed this post.
I don't think you can be so monolithic about it, particularly as ideas are often different in theory and practice. For example, capitalism generally proposes a separation of state and business, but this never really happens. Though many sit in both camps anyway. Capitalism also likes the idea of 'market forces' getting individuals and businesses to 'compete'. Personally I find cooperation more rational and efficient, but there you go.
Perhaps pedantically, I'd disagree communism entails state ownership. 'True' communism sees the state as expendable entirely with communities running themselves - as I said before the term used to be interchangeable with (left) anarchism. The Diggers, the Mahknovists, the early kibbutzim and the CNT are examples of people trying to do something along these lines. Jews, Christians and atheists. Don't forget the big role Christians played in the formation of proto-communist ideas. Not surprising in a Christian dominated continent.
You're right, IMO, that socialism tries to balance the two, though it merges with either at each end, depending on the flavour. Crucial here is the nature of the state and who runs it and how. Fascism didn't exactly hand all its power over to business. It was, after all, National Socialism. If you look at the BNP (pretty much National Socialists), they have lots of socialist type ideas, but merged with racist claptrap, irrational and incoherent notions like 'patriotism', 'British values and culture' and 'national pride' and a highly reactionary moral framework.
The notion of 'private property' is something that comes up a lot. It's a complex area, but at a base level there is a big difference between owning your own personal stuff (which everyone believes in) and who owns the land, the means of production etc. We live in an era where we even have to pay private corporations for water to drink and bathe with. Our ancestors would have been aghast.
I don't know whether you're a capitalist or not. You tell me. Whether you own houses or not is neither here nor there.
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| Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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A little bird has informed me I am sk8ing on thin ice so I will perhaps offer a solution rather than focus on what I see is the latest manifestation of the problem. The problem in general terms is that any top-down system is open to abuse because the top are in a position to protect and privilege themselves in a self-reinforcing positive feedback cycle. A process that is exacerbated by the secret brotherhoods.
The solution is to do away altogether with a top-down system and govern ourselves via the global neural network. And outlaw secret societies. IMHO
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| Quote: | | The solution is to do away altogether with a top-down system and govern ourselves |
We can certainly agree on that.
I'm not sure about this global neural network though. Sounds a bit too Terminator 2 for my liking....
| Quote: | | And outlaw secret societies. |
Or form our own! 
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| Dogsmilk wrote: | | Quote: | | The solution is to do away altogether with a top-down system and govern ourselves |
We can certainly agree on that.
I'm not sure about this global neural network though. Sounds a bit too Terminator 2 for my liking....
You're on it. No complulsion to stay on but I bet you do
| Quote: | | And outlaw secret societies. |
Or form our own! |
That would be the beginning of another bad end of course.
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