German anti war movement embrace 911 truth...uk please note

[mason-free party]

http://www.bushtrash.com/links/protest/

Time the UK stop THE WAR coalition had a reality check...well at least they have a website link to Brasscheck TV which covers 911 truth
http://www.stopwar.org.uk/_Current/FilmAndVideo.htm

[Zabooka]

YES!!

MASON FREE PARTY I COULD KISS YOU FOR THIS POST!!!

*MWAH*!


I am a member of Socialist Worker, Respect and Stop The War! Ive been trying to get them to wake up to the reality...

I invited them to be there at my 911 Awareness Week, they never arrived and never contacted me to say they could not make it. They just ignored me.

Come on Stop The War... come on you can do it.. you can't escape it, just accept it! There's no escape for your leftist deniers!

[MadgeB]

Hi Zabooka,

I'm also a member of Stop the War and Respect, finding it's getting harder to maintain my activity. Got some horrified looks when I carried a 9/11 placard on the national STW demo! Galloway is still the best at trashing the warmongers over everything but 9/11, he's not an 'idol', just a brilliant speaker who puts into words what some of us can't.

I see the SWP are including a meeting "What's wrong with conspiracy theories" at the Marxism festival in July. Irritating title in itself, but, following the 'first they ignore you, then they attack you...' pattern, it's a good thing! When 9/11 truth is more widely accepted I think they'll come on board.

[Zabooka]

MadgeB

I was holding the HUGE 911 Inside Job Banner of Noel Xmasdale's, with Edmund and Valentina.

We really got a lot of unpleasantries, however, we also got a lot of nice people supporting us. We grabbed the most attention from photographers and camcorders. People would take pics and then smile and give a thumbs up

We had people say, "you should be at the front, go on get in there".

Its changing however.... stop the war lot. I am going to try to go to that Festival of Resistance and be there to be in that talk about conspiracy theories.

Dennis Kucinich who is a Democratic candidate to run for presidency, is coming over to UK either for the peoples assembly or this festival of marxism. Hes a 911 Truther lol. We should all, all of us 911 Truthers, become members of Respect and Stop THe War, then go to all their events and spread the word from inside. Open their eyes to the fact that people like Tony Benn have signed our petition, Micheal Meacher is on "Oil, Smoke, Mirrors" and "TerrorStorm", that Dennis Kucinich is a 911 Truther, etc, etc.

[MadgeB]

Zabooka - Hope the so-called 'conspiracy theories' meeting in July is on at the weekend or evening, as I'm interested in hearing the case. Previously people on the left who have argued with me have just spouted the official story - much to my amazement, for otherwise intelligent people - or said 9/11 is a 'diversion'. This meeting should explain their reasons for not wanting to go there or deal with the facts, and I'd like to know why undercutting the 'muslim terrorist' lie is seen as a problem. So hopefully I'll see you there...

[Serge]

[StopThe9/11CoverUp]

Hi all,

Watched sky news last night about washington anti war protest and clearly saw one person withh 9/11 truth banner and someone holding a huge banner( it was backwards but u can clearly see) saying 9/11 was an inside job!!!

Absolutely fantastic, the truth will not be kept from us for much longer we can save this world of ours!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Zabooka]

@ Serge
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@ MadgeB

Thank you for your replies to my post. Hope to see you too and anyone else I see at the July 5-9th Festival of Marxism would be a pleasure.

I did point out, that if you don't believe in conspiracy theories then you must believe that there are in fact WMDs.

Also John Pilger and Noam Chomsky DO BELIEVE in CONSPIRACY THEORIES! They have made books on them and John Pilger's latest documentary was about a HUGE conspiracy spanning over half a centuary; "Stealing a Nation". They just choose to go for the official conspiracy theory rather than to elaborate on alternatives.

So where in the leaflet/flyer it says "What's wrong with conspiracy theories?"... its almost laughable, obviously the majority of people as usual are sheep, whether to a good cause or a bad cause.

If they had done their homework (instead of copying someone elses homework), they would find it a contradiction to say there is something wrong with going into conspiracy theories, when thats what John Pilger, Michael Moore and Noam Chomsky have been working on.

[alfsevic]

My opinion, 9/11 happened in the USA, and it´s up to the americans to sort this out, just like the Romanians sorted out Ceauşescu, they are the ones who will eventually have to impeach Bush and Cheyney, not us. We can stand by them by scouring the internet for evidence whatever.

The main objective now is to prevent the war on Iran and to end the suffering of millions of Iraqis, so let the stop the war groups get on with it.

[Zabooka]

Vietnam was an American problem.
Civil Rights in America, was an American issue.

I strongly disagree with your stance, which is also very similar to Stop The War lines of, ... or now that I think of it. Its a line that David Cameron used to first ignore the 911 questions on his website. He said, 911 is an American thing and they have dealt with it and are dealing with it, nothing to do with us sort of thing. I can not recall the exact words he used, however that is the general gist of what he said and others say.

This sort of language I feel is damaging and hurtful to our American friends, who really really do value highly our support and the support internationally. This is what I have had said to me, when I have spoken to various American members of the 911 Truth movement. So just scouring the internet and being a desktop activist is not enough!

Also in regards to letting the Stop The War groups get on with it. Yes, well we are not hampering them. They have jumped to the fear of that being the case and thus have made it an issue before it really became one. This is perhaps as a result of having pre-conclusions that the official government line is fine.

I have said here, we should support Stop The War and Respect. I am a member of both. I bought three versions of the Ugly Rumours Single, as an example of my commitment. Most of the badges on my bag are Stop The War and Socialist Worker or Respect badges, in fact all of them were, until the new addition of one given to me by a friend which seems like some American anti-Bush badge.

With 911 Truth, we can stop the war. I mean look at the RICO Lawsuits, the calls for impeachment by William Rodriguez, family members and others.

Just like Vietnam and Civil Rights (or Racism in a larger context), can be seen on one level to be an American thing at the time. It really isn't. The Civil Rights movement and the Vietnam movement had to become an international movement uniting all together.

This is what should happen regarding the issues we are addressing here in this thread. Stop The War and 911 Truth must unite! Its happening anyway, slowly but surely. The first few posts on this thread note this.

I mean you no disrespect alfsevic in disagreeing with your opinion. I hope I have not been at all disrespectful or out of line here. I hope also that I have been able to convey correctly and considerately my comments.

[alfsevic]

hello zabooka,
no offence taken, but the comparison with that tory poof was a bit below the belt.

I´d like to add, you should not underestimate the american folk, they were clubbed and shot and nevertheless succeeded on several occasions over the last century, as they will this time. The whole world knows 9/11 was an inside job but only americans can get rid of the few ticks that caused it. We can support them in any way possible, but they have to do the job alone.

alfsevic

[Zabooka]

lol sorry... the tory newboy's quote.

Well, I understand now that you have elaborated more what you mean. However, again, not everyone knows that 911 was an inside job!

I can understand that there is a present fear that 911 should not take away attention to current causes and issues around the world.

Yet again, I say its only a problem when you try to separate 911 with the current causes and issues around the world. For a Muslim, 911 is still very relevant around the world for every Muslim.

As 911 was and is the basis for War On Terror, globally. There was always talks of a War On Terrorism, when UK dealing with IRA, etc, etc. However this talk of the "Coalition of the Willing", which is such a distasteful thing to call it. It denotes that the rest are unwilling to pull their weight or something. As if, those countries are the only ones willing to do the "good fight".

And again, if you realise that 911 is a scandal, a conspiracy, just like WMDs, just like illegal wars, etc, etc. There is no need for a fear of it drawing attention or efforts away from one field to another, when you realise its all on one field.

Thats my reasoning. I hope that others can agree with that.

Also, in regards to 7/7. The fear is, that even if 7/7 is exactly how they said it is. The very fact that Tony Blair lied about having an independent enquiry and releasing the evidence is scary. The fact that arbitrary arrests have happened, illegal detentions, etc, etc. This all relates to 911.

As in 911, no fair trail has occured, no independent full investigation occured. The practice that is being preached and implemented, is believe us, trust us, do as we say, don't question. So in that context, 911 is the same as everything else Stop The War, Respect and Socialist Worker is about fighting and upholding.

[Zabooka]

yay! Im a super poster at last!