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Stop the War organises open debate on Iraq

 
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 10:11 am    Post subject: Stop the War organises open debate on Iraq Reply with quote

Tuesday 20th March 2pm-8pm.

Inviting delegates from 120 + organisations.

http://www.stopwar.org.uk/_Current/20Mar07.htm

Speakers will include DENNIS KUCINICH, US Democrat Presidential candidate.

Could have been a good opportunity. Since it requires registration would any 9/11 orientated group get invited?

Maybe this should have gone under "campaigning".
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 1:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We need FLYERS and LEAFLETTING!

New Ones, speaking about David Kucinich being a 911 Truther, with sources and references for people to check for themselves.

Michael Meacher is on "Oil, Smoke & Mirrors"... lets not say TerrorStorm, as that would put people off, and also more likely people will watch Oil Smoke and Mirrors, which would be more appropriate for non-911 clued up Stop The War people.

We also need to show that Tony Benn has signed the Petition for a New Investigation, etc, etc.

We need specialised Leaflets, ones that address whats being addressed in this thread >>>
http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?p=61668#61668&sid=7e43 fb5a226ac4e8bd2bf3d1ab3d3138

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...I did point out, that if you don't believe in conspiracy theories then you must believe that there are in fact WMDs.

Also John Pilger and Noam Chomsky DO BELIEVE in CONSPIRACY THEORIES! They have made books on them and John Pilger's latest documentary was about a HUGE conspiracy spanning over half a centuary; "Stealing a Nation". They just choose to go for the official conspiracy theory rather than to elaborate on alternatives.

So where in the leaflet/flyer it says "What's wrong with conspiracy theories?"... its almost laughable, obviously the majority of people as usual are sheep, whether to a good cause or a bad cause.

If they had done their homework (instead of copying someone elses homework), they would find it a contradiction to say there is something wrong with going into conspiracy theories, when thats what John Pilger, Michael Moore and Noam Chomsky have been working on.
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Vietnam was an American problem.
Civil Rights in America, was an American issue.

I strongly the stance that 911 is an American problem, which is also very similar to Stop The War lines of, ... or now that I think of it. Its a line that David Cameron used to first ignore the 911 questions on his website. He said, 911 is an American thing and they have dealt with it and are dealing with it, nothing to do with us sort of thing. I can not recall the exact words he used, however that is the general gist of what he said and others say.....

...Also in regards to letting the Stop The War groups get on with it. Yes, well we are not hampering them. They have jumped to the fear of that being the case and thus have made it an issue before it really became one. This is perhaps as a result of having pre-conclusions that the official government line is fine.

I have said here, we should support Stop The War and Respect....

...With 911 Truth, we can stop the war. I mean look at the RICO Lawsuits, the calls for impeachment by William Rodriguez, family members and others.

Just like Vietnam and Civil Rights (or Racism in a larger context), can be seen on one level to be an American thing at the time. It really isn't. The Civil Rights movement and the Vietnam movement had to become an international movement uniting all together...

...Stop The War and 911 Truth must unite! Its happening anyway, slowly but surely....
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(For those that feel everyone knows anyway)...not everyone knows that 911 was an inside job!

I can understand that there is a present fear that 911 should not take away attention to current causes and issues around the world.

Yet again, I say its only a problem when you try to separate 911 with the current causes and issues around the world. For a Muslim, 911 is still very relevant around the world for every Muslim.

As 911 was and is the basis for War On Terror, globally. There was always talks of a War On Terrorism, when UK dealing with IRA, etc, etc. However this talk of the "Coalition of the Willing", which is such a distasteful thing to call it. It denotes that the rest are unwilling to pull their weight or something. As if, those countries are the only ones willing to do the "good fight".

And again, if you realise that 911 is a scandal, a conspiracy, just like WMDs, just like illegal wars, etc, etc. There is no need for a fear of it drawing attention or efforts away from one field to another, when you realise its all on one field.

Thats my reasoning. I hope that others can agree with that.

Also, in regards to 7/7. The fear is, that even if 7/7 is exactly how they said it is. The very fact that Tony Blair lied about having an independent enquiry and releasing the evidence is scary. The fact that arbitrary arrests have happened, illegal detentions, etc, etc. This all relates to 911.

As in 911, no fair trail has occured, no independent full investigation occured. The practice that is being preached and implemented, is believe us, trust us, do as we say, don't question. So in that context, 911 is the same as everything else Stop The War, Respect and Socialist Worker is about fighting and upholding.

The FBI do now want Osama Bin Laden for 911 anymore, there is not enough evidence to try Bin Laden for 911, but enough to wage two illegal wars and the US Juncta is looking for TWO more WARS?

The Khalid Sheik Muhammad fiasco has not only ended the 911 Conspiracy Talk, its escalated it and connected it to the whole fiasco of false imprisonment, detainment, illegal arbitrary arrests and the fiasco of countries working together, cooperating together in this illegal disgusting activity of shipping people around the world, with no rights whatsoever and with no justification whatsoever.

We can not continue with this level of unaccountability, misrepresentation and irresponsibility.
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