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Evans_England Minor Poster
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Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 12:50 pm Post subject: WTC Core Collumns |
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When the south tower collapses, i could not see any core collumns standing after. But on the north tower, some are still there after collapse then just as the rest of the building fell, they all plummeted to the ground.
Is the only explanation for why there were no core collumns left (not even 10 stories from ground level) because they were seperated from below in different places?
I know one thing, if what FEMA and the other 'government investigators' said really did happen, then why was nothing left of the building after collapse, NOTHING.
These 47 Enormous core collumns were 3 foot thick at the base if the reat of the building fell away why did these also all fail simultaneously?
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Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 1:03 pm Post subject: |
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Notice the car looks more like from 2001 than 1993. Underground car park.
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Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 1:30 pm Post subject: |
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If the core collums were took out at different points up and down the building, wouldnt it fall in the way it did?
Maybe on the south tower, only so many on one side were cut, making it fall to one side as it did.
But on the north tower, if you want the shaking tripod one carefully, it doesnt fall from impact zone, the antenna part can be seen dropping 10 feet before the impact point starts falling. Meaning the building didnt fail at imact zone, it failed at the centre. The core collumns.
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Evans_England Minor Poster
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Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 1:58 pm Post subject: |
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So this is the north tower after collapse, showing so many core collumns - far below impact zone, maybe not even half way up.
The dont stand after for more than 1 minute, they dont fall over sideways neither.
The fall striaght down like the rest of the building.
Core collumns MUST have been seperated from below...
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Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 2:01 pm Post subject: |
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And this is how many collumns the core should have...
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Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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Anybody have any more pictures like these?
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Micpsi Moderate Poster
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Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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Thermite/thermate only melts steel, whilst explosives merely fragment steel into smaller bits. Therefore, the quantity of steel used in the construction of each tower should have been seen in the debris pile at Ground Zero. It was not. It was far less. This means that something other than thermite/thermate removed some of the steel by turning it into dust.
The famous photo of molten iron slag solidified on a diagonally cut column stump is not evidence of thermate. This is thoroughly debunked at
http://www.debunking911.com/thermite.htm
where you will find photos of workers cutting down girders with oxygen cutters and leaving similar molten slag residues. The argument that the presence of fire fighters in the picture indicates it was taken before clean up started is false because it is well-known that they were present for weeks afterwards to put out any fires accidently started by the workers.
You will also see photos of angle-cut beams stored in Hangar 17 at Kennedy Airport in New York at
http://11-settembre.blogspot.com/2007/04/real-world-tests-cut-through- steel.html
The website contains photos of a worker demonstrating the cutting of an enormous steel slab with the use of an oxygen cutter which leaves similar slag.
Photos of similar oxygen cutting specialists working at Ground Zero can be found at
http://11-settembre.blogspot.com/2007/02/technical-widening-about-ther mal.html
Many people have been deceived by the photo of the stump and by Professor Steven Jones' claim that this is evidence for thermate cutter charges in the towers that broke up columns. It is nothing of the sort. But then many people have been taken in by Jones' other claims to have detected thermate in dust taken from a house near the South Tower. See an evaluation of this claim at
http://janedoe0911.tripod.com/physicist_critiques_jones.html
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Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 1:43 am Post subject: |
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Micpsi wrote: | Thermite/thermate only melts steel, whilst explosives merely fragment steel into smaller bits. Therefore, the quantity of steel used in the construction of each tower should have been seen in the debris pile at Ground Zero. It was not. It was far less. This means that something other than thermite/thermate removed some of the steel by turning it into dust.
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Did you calculate the volume of steel spread over the surrounding area (as can be seen from any aerial photo) before making this claim?
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marky 54 Mega Poster
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Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 3:04 am Post subject: |
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KP50 wrote: | Micpsi wrote: | Thermite/thermate only melts steel, whilst explosives merely fragment steel into smaller bits. Therefore, the quantity of steel used in the construction of each tower should have been seen in the debris pile at Ground Zero. It was not. It was far less. This means that something other than thermite/thermate removed some of the steel by turning it into dust.
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Did you calculate the volume of steel spread over the surrounding area (as can be seen from any aerial photo) before making this claim? |
exactly.
when its mentioned there was no rubble/mass or the beams disapeared its always with a picture of the rubble where the towers were stood.
they never show the steel beams scattered over a wider area, stuck into the sides of buildings, on rooftops etc etc.
i've seen the ariel photo and the beams are everywhere, how can anybody claim they just disapeared into dust.
most of the beams/rubble landed in a radius which is why it confuses me when some say it fell into it's own footprint. so pictures of where the towers where stood aint going to show you all the debris/beams/rubble etc.
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Evans_England Minor Poster
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Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 9:14 am Post subject: |
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Where did my pics go? Can any of you see them?
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Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 10:05 am Post subject: |
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Evans_England wrote: | Where did my pics go? Can any of you see them? |
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Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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Tom Hanks looks good hairy
I like pictures!
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Micpsi Moderate Poster
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Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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marky 54 wrote: | KP50 wrote: | Micpsi wrote: | Thermite/thermate only melts steel, whilst explosives merely fragment steel into smaller bits. Therefore, the quantity of steel used in the construction of each tower should have been seen in the debris pile at Ground Zero. It was not. It was far less. This means that something other than thermite/thermate removed some of the steel by turning it into dust.
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Did you calculate the volume of steel spread over the surrounding area (as can be seen from any aerial photo) before making this claim? |
exactly.
when its mentioned there was no rubble/mass or the beams disapeared its always with a picture of the rubble where the towers were stood.
they never show the steel beams scattered over a wider area, stuck into the sides of buildings, on rooftops etc etc.
i've seen the ariel photo and the beams are everywhere, how can anybody claim they just disapeared into dust.
most of the beams/rubble landed in a radius which is why it confuses me when some say it fell into it's own footprint. so pictures of where the towers where stood aint going to show you all the debris/beams/rubble etc. |
Yes, I did take into account all the steel beams scattered over the wider area. There is still not enough of them to account for the steel contents of the towers. The rubble barely covered the ground in many places. Look at the photos and you will find none of the 47 core columns were left standing, just some stumps of the 240 columns surrounding them. This is a matter of looking at the photographic evidence in its entirety, which I have done. We may have to agree to differ, but my clear judgement remains that the quantity of steel girders and columns scattered around the WTC still does not account for what was in the two towers.
Perhaps this animated gif will make you pause for thought:
http://www.acebaker.com/9-11/HTR/web-content/Pages/HTRHome.html
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Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | Yes, I did take into account all the steel beams scattered over the wider area. There is still not enough of them to account for the steel contents of the towers. The rubble barely covered the ground in many places. Look at the photos and you will find none of the 47 core columns were left standing, just some stumps of the 240 columns surrounding them. This is a matter of looking at the photographic evidence in its entirety, which I have done. We may have to agree to differ, but my clear judgement remains that the quantity of steel girders and columns scattered around the WTC still does not account for what was in the two towers.
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Six floors of compacted basement plus the towers mostly empty volume by space = how big a pile should there be? The rubble pile above ground was at least fours stories high, so thats ten stories rubble total = 10% original height
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 12:07 am Post subject: |
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Forget the rubble, where did 1000+ bodies go?
Not collapse, impact, fires caused this...... so what did
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Evans_England wrote: | Forget the rubble, where did 1000+ bodies go?
Not collapse, impact, fires caused this...... so what did |
Can you elaborate on what this question is actually asking?
It appears you are expecting 'bodies' to have been found - how is this in any way possible as the human body is a relatively fragile bag of assorted fluids. Many tons of collapsing concrete would have pulverised and shattered any object that was unable to withstand such forces - this includes every person sandwiched in-between the descending floors and stairwells.
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 9:00 am Post subject: |
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Well there were less than 200 whole bodies.
So i agree with what your saying, but any trace of human remains was recorded in dna. There would be something left of those bodies, if what the fema report is claiming happened did - even if its jut bone/blood. But there was nothing left of them, 1000 dna samples could not be took/the smouldering fires and smoke after the collapses deteriorated the remains to such a degree that dna samples could not be used anyway. I could agree with what your saying but when you think about how many people 1000 is then it makes you wonder, what really happened there. I could be wrong maybe it was just the fact that 2 enormous 110 sotry skyscrapers were took to pieces in the air and all the tonnes of steel, concrete crushed them so much there was nothing left. But how did that happen anyway, who actually beleives that the plane impacts, if they were genuine 767's, not altered in anyway, and the buildings took damage from only them, their impacts, their fuel, and the fires after. Would the building have still collaped in less than an hour (south tower) if these circumstances happened again?
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Evans;
My request to stop you posting images is not related to their content, more their duplicate nature.
You queue up an image to be included in your submission, however you get frustrated by the period of time it takes to upload - you then think the process has failed and hit 'submit' once again - hence the post is duplicated.
You then either don't check to see if your post has appeared as expected, or you note that the post has been duplicated but have no clue that clicking 'Delete' in the top right hand corner will remove the doppelganger.
Hope that allows you to retain a more dignified internal state.
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