Zionism......just testing.

[London Mick]

I'm new here on this forum. Already I see that certain topics are not allowed to be discussed here. How can we get at the truth if there is going to be a blanket ban on the discussion of the Zionists role in all that is going on in the world. I believe the Zionists who run Israel, for example, are behind the war in Iraq and the push for war against Iran. I can quite easily see the same bunch behind 9/11. If another 9/11 happens to get us all into a war with Iraq I believe the Zionists will be behind it.

There, now you know where I am coming from. Am I to be banned having just arrived?

[John White]

Banned? I dont see why for having your own opinion

But read this:

http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=1685&start=0&postday s=0&postorder=asc&highlight=

For guidance for what is and is not acceptable to be expressed in posts on this forum

[uselesseater]

"Zionism is but an incident of a far reaching plan. It is merely a convenient peg on which to hang a powerful weapon." American Zionist Louis Marshall, counsel for bankers Kuhn Loeb in 1917.

Of course loads of people buy into it not realising that it's just another invented trend.

[Graham]

... but who controls the Zionists? There a couple of entities which don't seem to be talked about much on this board.

[alkmyst]

Graham asked:

[alkmyst]

Beyond The Zionists - Pt II

The Zionists are the patsies ... the strategy of protecting the apparent Zionist agenda by screaming "anti-semite", is designed to prevent the casual researcher from getting beneath this layer of the onion.

The Jesuits would like to see all those who consider themselves to be jewish to return to their 'homeland'...so that when they initiate the war between the Muslim nations & the Jewish 'homeland', there is as much mutual destruction as is possible to engineer ... and believe me, they've had a lot of practice.

The jesuits other agenda is to subjugate all 'Protestant' nations ....regardless of the cost because the US Tax Payer will fund their wars via Federal Taxes, which go directly to the Jesuit controlled Federal Reserve, otherwise known as the 'Bank of Rome'.

Ultimately, the Holy Office (21st Century Inquisition) wishes to return to a time when the heretics can be eliminated. There are scores to settle, mainly with the UK and the US because these nations rebelled against Rome. Tony Blair's recent visit to the Vatican probably gave his Jesuit masters an opportunity to brief him on the next stage of the gameplan.

"...but he's not Catholic," I hear you ask.
Well, not yet ... but there is a strong possibility that he will adopt the Catholic faith just as soon as he leaves No.10. If he does go Catholic, it will be a signal to the Jesuits that he has completed his given tasks ... i.e. eroding personal freedoms and British national sovereignty.

Bill Clinton attended the Jesuit financed Georgetown University and as for the Jesuit relationship with Skull & Bones, see the last link below.

This Rabbit Hole runs so deep that it is beyond the comprehension of some of the most seasoned researchers. It is certainly not possible to introduce the Jesuit connection until people have worked through the following stages:

1). 9/11 Truth
2). The NeoCon Agenda
3). The history of Fake Terror
4). The Zionist Connection
5). Mossad/CIA/MI6 Black Ops

Then and only then, might they be ready for the next layer of the onion!

It is prophesised (St. Malachi) that there will be just one more Pope after the present incumbent. Will that be because the next Pope assumes the role of Global Dictator ...or will it be because the people start to realise how the Roman Church has subjugated humanity by their perverse religion ... and reclaim their birthright?

You have barely entered the rabbit hole and if you elect to enter ... you must be ready to re-learn everything that you thought you knew.

Make no mistake ...this next leg of the journey is not for the faint-hearted.

See the following links for a bit more information:

www.pacinst.com/terrorists/chapter5/titanic.html

www.conspiracyarchive.com/Commentary/Conspiracies.htm

www.reformation.org/secrets-of-the-bank-of-rome.html

www.reformation.org/federal-reserve.html

www.fourwinds10.com/news/05-government/E-new-world-order/2003/05E-11-2 6-03-the-sinking-of-the-titanic.html

www.reformation.org/don-francis-borgia.html


Bon chance,

Al K Myst

[Graham]

the Jesuits and..... The Holy Roman See.

[London Mick]

Great responses! Exactly what I wanted. Of course it runs deeper than Zionism but we have to start somewhere. What about The Pilgrim Society, The Knights of Malta, the Rothschilds and the Rockefellers, Opus Dei and so on.
What have they got on Miranda Blair, I wonder? Was he having it away with Mandelson when they were younger? Is that why Mandy keeps coming back in even more lucrative positions every time he screws up?

Down the rabbit hole, c'mon, let's go!

[Stephen]

Look at the back of a dollar bill to see who really controls us!

[uselesseater]

Yup. Kissinger shuttles between the White House and the Vatican as Cherie Blair shuttles between No. 10 and the same.

Don't forget Adam Weishauptm, who founded the Bavarian Illuminati, was a Jesuit preist.

But surely the Jesuits are just another faction which the Ancient royal bloodlines use for their own ends?

[ian neal]

Mick

In terms of guidance you may wish to search zionism, my name and select posts.

Discussion of zionism is fine. 'Anti-semiticism'/anti-jewish posts are not

http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?p=4479&highlight=zioni sm#4479

[London Mick]

Hey Neal, I know the difference between Zionism and Judaism, OK?

Less of the lecturing please!

Another thing, to criticise the thug state of Israel is not anti-semitic. Ask Harold Pinter.

Also if a majority of the neo-cons, Straussians who run the American government and appear to behind the thrust for war against Iran and who seem to behind the demolition of the Twin Towers and have the whole of the American senate and House of Representives in their pay happen to be Jewish then I think Jews have some questions to be answered. Much the same if all the afore mentioned were Jesuits or Methodists or if they all hailed from Swindon.

If a majority of people from Swindon supported the bombing of Reading and went on a rampage killing the children of Reading and if worldwide those who claim to be from Swindon because God gave them Swindon 2000 years ago supported the murderous Swindonians and manipulated their host governments into sending 3 billion a year to Swindon and supplying them with nuclear weapons and other state of the art armaments and then cried anti-Swindonism every time somebody pointed out what horrific deeds were being done in their name, I would be very suspicious of all Swindonians and would hope that more of them would speak out and put a stop to what is being done in their name.

I wonder if Harold Pinter comes from Swindon? He's certainly not a property developer.

[ian neal]

Cool

I didn't mean to lecture or patronise you. Welcome by the way

In my experience this difference (between zionism and judaism) does on occasion need to be restated, but I don't think we are disagreeing about anything here.

I was pleased to see this initiative.

http://jewishvoices.squarespace.com/home-page/
http://jewishvoices.squarespace.com/other/
http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/index.html

It just shows that there are plenty of jewish voices out there that are critical of the Israeli state and the warmongering psychos who back them.

[alkmyst]

Uselesseater wrote:

[alkmyst]

.... but then who is manipulating the Holy Roman See, I hear you ask?

Whoa there .... we'll get there but one step at a time!

I have posted similar info' before but it seemed to fall on stony ground ... perhaps this is a more fertile moment?

Al K Myst

[rodin]

Who controls the media? Is it the Jesuits?

Who controls banking (root of debt slavery and war)? Is it the Muslims?

Who is pushing for WW3. Is it the Vatican?

Who said 'We control America?' Was it the Pope?

Who was caught red-handed trying to frame Arabs for 911?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcON2XbFR3I&NR

Whose security company was in charge of Boston Logan on 911 and the Tube on 7/7 on the days when NO SECURITY CAMERAS WERE WORKING.

[alkmyst]

Rodin asked:

[London Mick]

Fertile ground over here, Alkamyst! Keep broadcasting. You might be surprised at how many of us are onion peelers.

Of course they must keep the Knowlege from the masses. That has always been the job of him who used to be called the Devil or Satan. Nowadays the name Kissinger will suffice.

I've often wondered why it is so important to have control of Jerusalem. The omphalus of the planet and not a million miles away from where somebody saw fit to erect the pyramids.

[ian neal]

Talking of controlling Jerusalem, it's kicking off right now

http://news.google.co.uk/news?hl=en&q=mount%20jerusalem&ie=UTF-8&oe=UT F-8&sa=N&tab=wn

[paul wright]

Yes, this is looking serious, with what appears to be a siege situation developing, with many protestors barricading themselves in the Mosque.
Will the Israeli forces directly attack the mosque? The problem is with alleged construction work at the side of the mosque which many Palestians believe entails tunneling into the foundations

[London Mick]

Just as the two Palestinian factions agree to work together in a coalition government, surprise, surprise, the Israeli thugs decide to stir up some distracting trouble in Jerusalem at the power point.

[blackbear]

Analysis: Piper-Phelps Debate
by Victor Thorn

On May 16, 2006 Michael Collins Piper faced-off against Eric Jon Phelps on RBN Live in what was termed “The Great Debate”. In actuality, this debate was so one-sided in Mr. Piper’s favor that if seen in boxing terms, it would have been ruled a “unanimous decision.”

As we said in yesterday’s preview of this debate, we like and have interviewed both participants – Piper and Phelps – and this analysis should in no way be seen as a slight against either man. That is not my intent. But Piper’s mastery of facts – especially in regard to the JFK assassination – so outshone Phelps’ various stances that there is no other way to frame the debate.

So, since I mentioned this subject, let’s examine what unfolded in terms of John F. Kennedy’s murder. As Piper stated at one point in the debate, Vatican Assassins hinges on the theory that the Jesuits were behind JFK’s assassination; but he relates that at least 50% of the information Phelps provides was error-prone and just plain “wrong wrong wrong.”

Piper even went so far as to say that he read Vatican Assassins in its entirety over the past weekend, and “more often than not it had so many errors in regard to the JFK assassination that it led him to question everything else he had written.”

On top of that, Piper conveys how Phelps relied on a number of biased sources for his documentation, including Dr. Emmanuel Josephson (a known disinformation agent) and John Loftus (a Zionist propagandist).

To his credit, Phelps rightly admitted that he had been mistaken on the JFK assassination, and that he didn’t understand Kennedy’s war with Israel. This revelation was huge, because one of the fundamental premises of Vatican Assassins was that Cardinal Spellman and the Jesuits masterminded this crime. But Phelps admitted he was wrong, and that he now intended to update the third edition of Vatican Assassins to include this material.

Piper then questioned Phelps by asking, “If the Jesuits considered JFK to be such a good friend of Israel, then why would they have the Mossad kill him?” Piper called this premise forwarded by Phelps “illogical,” for Phelps himself also admitted the Mossad’s role in killing Kennedy.

Furthermore, Phelps stated in Vatican Assassins that one of the key figures in Kennedy's assassination – Clay Shaw – was a Knight of Malta. But the only sources available to document this crucial point are all people reflecting back on Phelps’ book using him as the source. Phelps also claimed that CIA director John McCone worked in unison with James Jesus Angleton to murder Kennedy. But Piper retorted (unequivocally) that this point didn’t stand, for McCone was a close personal friend of the Kennedy family, and that is why he was appointed CIA director after Kennedy fired Allen Dulles. Plus, Kennedy directed McCone to do all his intelligence work separately from Angleton (who he didn’t trust), especially in regard to Israel. So, even though McCone was a Knight of Malta, he certainly didn’t plot to kill Kennedy.

In reality, the main premise of Michael Collins Piper’s Final Judgment still stands – that Kennedy was assassinated because of a secret, behind-the-scenes war with Israel over their clandestine plans to develop nuclear weapons. During the course of this debate, Phelps revealed that he felt this scenario was accurate, and that he would incorporate it into his future work.

A final note on this subject: Phelps explained at one point how he felt the Black Pope was in charge of illegal drug trafficking and the Mafia; but Piper countered with the fact that Sam Giancana’s son recently wrote in two different books that the very clear head of organized crime in Chicago was a Jewish man named Hyman Larner, who was a partner of Meyer Lansky. Lansky was the real head of organized crime, and he was Jewish, not a Jesuit agent. And Sam Giancana, as we all know, had obvious links to the Kennedy assassination, and he worked for the Jewish Lansky.

In all, Piper concluded – almost half-jokingly – that Vatican Assassins could almost be seen as a “put-up job” in regard to the Kennedy assassination.

Surprisingly, Phelps didn’t credibly contend, object to, argue with, or dismiss even one point Piper made throughout the debate. Instead, what Phelps seemed to do too often was string together a slew of dates, countries, names, and biblical references that were never qualified by substantive (or significant) facts. An example would be as such: in 1832 a Bavarian Archbishop named XYZ said blah blah blah. Then he’d quote the Book of Revelations about a great city on the hill, gentiles, and Roman rule. In all honesty, though, all these obscure references started to make my head spin and I was having trouble following his train of thought.

Piper even addressed this issue by saying that he couldn’t have a serious debate if it was all based on one man’s interpretation of the Bible (precisely because there are so many different interpretations), especially where the Book of Revelations is concerned. Instead, he said their exchanges should be based on facts, not interpretations.

There was also quite a bit of discussion during this two-hour debate on subjects other than the JFK assassination, and what follows are a few other observations that Piper made which seriously questioned the Jesuit/Vatican’s supposed role as controllers of the New World Order.

ONE: If the Roman Catholic power base in America is so inordinately strong, then why is abortion still legal? Remember, Catholics have been adamant in their opposition to abortion, so don’t you think it would be outlawed?

TWO: Phelps stated that the CFR and ADL were subordinates of the Jesuit order (in the past with Cardinal Spellman, and now with Archbishop Egan). Piper replied that such an assertion was “a lot of nonsense” for the CFR is a division of the Rothschild Empire and serves as the American branch of England’s RIIA (Royal Institute of International Affairs). In addition, Piper continued, the Rothschilds are not an adjunct of the Jesuits, and any argument to the contrary “falls on its illogical face.”

THREE: Piper also said that Phelps assertion that the ADL was an agent of the Jesuits “falls flat” because the ADL stands virtually in direct opposition to nearly every stance of the Catholic Church.

FOUR: Also, any examination of mainstream media ownership will reveal that it’s not the Jesuits who are in control of the major networks and magazines, but some very powerful Jewish families.

FIVE: If the Jesuits truly ran the world and its war machine, then why were the Pope and Catholic Church so adamantly in opposition to the Iraqi War, while Israel and the Zionists were 100% behind it (even promoting it with zealous glee)? If the Vatican was such a driving force, wouldn’t Catholics have supported the war? Plus, is this the real reason why Catholic priest sex scandals were finally exposed after so many years – as retaliation by the Zionists for their vocal opposition to the war?

SIX: Finally, why can The Washington Post freely ask if there are too many Catholics on the Supreme Court; but if they asked if there were too many Jews in Bush’s cabinet, the Israel Lobby would raise holy hell until the end of eternity?

In all, Piper concluded at various points during the debate that Phelps' claims that Israel and the Rothschilds were shills of the Jesuits was “absolutely extraordinary,” that he made “egregious errors based on pro-Zionist sources,” that the problem with Phelps was that “so many crimes are attributed to the Jesuits, but nothing could be further from the truth,” and that “the Jesuits are not the substantial influence in this country; the Zionists are.”

[PaulStott]

[rodin]

[kbo234]

[PaulStott]

On JFK - Lyndon Johnson.

I think you will find with Collins Piper, on any issue, his premise is always his conclusion - it was all the fault of the Jews.

[Graham]

[Abandoned Ego]

[rodin]

Yes. A higher authority than the Knesset may well decide that Israel is disposable. Many 'chosen ones' might find out what they have really been chosen for. All things are possible. But the diaspora wield such massive control they HAVE to be front-runners for the title of 'big boss'.

The hidden hand of Rothschild appears wherever world-scale events occur. And by and large it has attracted little publicity until the internet.
By way of deception thou shalt do war. Looks to me @ least like a group of people devised the internet knowing it would be a double edged sword.

Can you think of a more level playing field?

And consider this - on a level playing field the team with the highest numbers will overwhelm eventually. No wonder they are accelerating their overt control of Planet Earth.

[John White]