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david carmichael
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 Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 3:53 pm Post subject: Has John White libeled/slandered Fred(bsregistration)? |
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Have John White and Ian Neal libeled Fred?
No!
Not yet, anyway...
..and it would be "libel" not "slander"
The libel/slander laws in the US are much more restrictive than those in the UK... If Fred wanted to sue for being libeled-- he should DEFINITELY sue in the UK...not the USA
John White for the actual "libel"...if John is indeed unable to prove his "fakery" claims
Ian Neal would also be subject to being sued because of John White's actions for providing the means of conveyance of John's purported libel.
OBSTACLES to bringing libel suit in the USA
1) Fred would definitely have to cite his full name in postings from now on...and bsregistration WOULD DEFINITELY not work
2) he'd have to show his reputation was damaged among those who know him...ewing2001?
John White...why not invite Fred:
1) to post under his full name
AND ALSO
2)invite him to have people who know him personally to visit Ian Neal's forum?
Then...re-visit your "fraud" and "fakery" statements.
You've shown that you obviously don't care about your conduct on Ian Neal's board.
Let's see if you're willing to subject Ian to a lawsuit for libel AS WELL AS yourself.
So once again.... after first consulting with Ian Neal
John White...why not invite Fred:
1) to post under his full name
AND ALSO
2)invite him to have people who know him personally to visit Ian Neal's forum?
Then repeat your "fraud" and "fakery" claims... as long as you can prove it in UK Court... you're safe!!!! 
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Fred
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I'm not interested in taking John White to court or pressing charges, I'm simply trying to point out that he's making false claims and lying about me. He doesn't need to run out and hire a lawyer, but he had better show some evidence to back up his outrageous claims or else face a loss of credibility here.
Since I didn't fake any photographs, and he is lying, he's either going to have to make up false evidence, or show what evidence misled him and how he came to the conclusion that I faked photographs. I don't think he based his assertions on any evidence at all. I think he thinks he can use his position as moderator to make false accusations and manipulate the people who read these forums. Because my account had not been approved, perhaps he believed he could just lie with impunity.
He's not only claimed that my conclusions are wrong, and that my research is shoddy, he's claimed that I manufactured fake photographs. So let's see what he brings to back these allegations.
Cheers,
Fred
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Fallious
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@david carmichael:
Reign in the hysterics, goat features. You and Fred chose your position knowing full well its controversy and how you would be branded. I’m sorry to tell you; you are the only people surprised by our reaction to the pre-packaged tripe you are peddling.
Your attempt to form a legal case against John White, who has undoubtedly done more for 9/11 truth in the last week than you have in your entire career exposes your genuine motivation to be nothing to do with truth and everything to do with hurting OUR movement.
Oh, and just to bear in mind: I've seen the same sissy legal mumbo jumbo tactics played out by you spoilt brats a hundred times before, and you know what happens? The next time I look, you are gone.
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Fred
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Fallious, you're full of it. Did you even read what I wrote? I haven't seen a shred of evidence OR research from John White. Where is it?
Post a link to his work which demonstrates that my research is flawed. You said good work to him. What work? Where is it? Post a link so that we can all see it.
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Fred, I have perhaps some unpleasant news for you...
The fact that the vast majority of this forum (let alone the world, academics, artists, photographers and camera man alike) consider the CNN footage to be fully genuine, I think puts YOU squarely on the offensive - which I’m glad to see you have taken up with great zeal. Unfortunately, until such time as you convince people of the fakery of the CNN footage the onus is squarely on you to continue finding evidence FOR your case and you have no good reason to expect any DEFENSE from us. The simple fact that it is not accepted is your queue to continue research.
I welcome your research and hope you will continue with it, just please try to keep in mind that this is not some contest, "first one who proves a fake wins", because as I’ve demonstrated with your example of the Air Con fans, that kind of hit and miss research only DAMAGES your case. Added to that, the number of wildly different iterations and claims your theory has chewed through, and the maniacal foaming and groaning of your dumb medium, david carmichael, is enough to make any sane person doubt your credibility by association.
If history (and current adventures) teach us one thing regarding this, it’s that until such time (and often for some time after that!) as you demonstrate a highly controversial theory to be unequivocally true, you are a fraud and a liar - Harsh but true and frequently fair.
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Fred
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I don't expect defence, I expect John White to stop lying about me and my work. Your moderator lied.
Where's his evidence to back up his lies?
Where is it? |
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| Fred wrote: |
'm not interested in taking John White to court or pressing charges, I'm simply trying to point out that he's making false claims and lying about me. |
John isn't lying about you Fred as yet, in other words, until we see evidence or he keeps ducking and diving, shall we say until next Tuesday, then yes at that point I will agree with you.
It is so out of character for John to adopt this approach. I have always found him very honest and direct - at the moment though it is looking like he has made a mistake and is reluctant to come forward and say so. Like many people here this is a difficult ego wrenching move that is beyond them.
John, surely you can see that all this sidestepping is doing you no favours. Please supply the evidence - your reputation is at stake - either way - stop the waffle, post the evidence or apologise. |
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ian neal
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John, emailled me to say he is working on it (as in presenting his case)
In the meantime patience is required. |
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david carmichael
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| Fred wrote: | I'm not interested in taking John White to court or pressing charges, I'm simply trying to point out that he's making false claims and lying about me. He doesn't need to run out and hire a lawyer, but he had better show some evidence to back up his outrageous claims or else face a loss of credibility here.
Since I didn't fake any photographs, and he is lying, he's either going to have to make up false evidence, or show what evidence misled him and how he came to the conclusion that I faked photographs. I don't think he based his assertions on any evidence at all. I think he thinks he can use his position as moderator to make false accusations and manipulate the people who read these forums. Because my account had not been approved, perhaps he believed he could just lie with impunity.
He's not only claimed that my conclusions are wrong, and that my research is shoddy, he's claimed that I manufactured fake photographs. So let's see what he brings to back these allegations.
Cheers,
Fred |
ummm...hmmm
I didn't say you were going to sue.
But I'd like to see him INVITE YOU to post using your REAL NAME and INVITE you to bring people you know personally to this site.
..and put Ian Neal in the position of being sued AS WELL AS John White himself.
..and then repeat his claims of "fraud" and "fakery"
It's a civil tort "litmus test" or "shibboleth" of sorts.
If John White can/has prove(n) what he is saying is INDEED "true"...
...then their should be absolutley NO PROBLEM in him coming forth with an invitation like that IMMEDIATELY and Ian Neal should ENCOURAGE him to do so...
..or PUBLICLY confront him to produce evidence of "fakery"
There should be NO REASON for John White to fail to do so.. unless John White KNOWS he has lied.
There should be NO REASON for Ian Neal to not ENCOURAGE HIM to do so. |
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david carmichael
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| Fallious wrote: | @david carmichael:
Reign in the hysterics, goat features. |
No "hysterics", old chum
Why would you attempt to configure the discussion like that for the readership.
It's an excellent "litmus test" or "shibboleth"
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You and Fred chose your position knowing full well its controversy and how you would be branded. I’m sorry to tell you; you are the only people surprised by our reaction to the pre-packaged tripe you are peddling. |
Yeahhhh! But the topic is whether John White is willing to put Ian Neal in the position of being sued for libel.
1) So now you just used the word "hysterics" in reference to another
2) You THEN flip-flop and state that someone WHO TOLD the truth should have expected...what?
911UK "Denial Monkeys" coming out of the woodwork to post "lies"...and "hysterically scream" themselves??????
LOL!...
Ohhh! Well let's not forget... on the "CNN Footage Faked...Part III" thread none of you COULD come up with the correct camera angle/distance displacement.
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Your attempt to form a legal case against John White, who has undoubtedly done more for 9/11 truth in the last week than you have in your entire career exposes your genuine motivation to be nothing to do with truth and everything to do with hurting OUR movement. |
Then GIVE THE MAN a chance! ...Just give John White a chance...why from the way you are skirting around the issue IT IS LIKE you maybe think he DID KNOW Fred's work was "solid" 
You can't do John White's thinking for him.... Give the man a channnnnnce! 
That is ALL that we can ask in life as fair-minded people.... a chhhhhaaaannnnce!
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Oh, and just to bear in mind: I've seen the same sissy legal mumbo jumbo tactics played out by you spoilt brats a hundred times before, and you know what happens? The next time I look, you are gone. |
Well, again... it SHOULD BE no problemo, senor fallious... if John White was INDEED telling the truth.
1)You've attempted to say "hysterics"
2) Then seemingly YOU ARE saying someone who posted the TRUTH should have expected to be lied about by a moderator
3)Then you claim the movement is being hurt by someone who has posted the TRUTH and said the person who could NOT PRODUCE the camera angle/distance displacement IS A VICTIM after he used the words "fraud" and "fakery"
4) and now you start bellyaching about "sissy-legal "mumbo jumbo...
AS OPPOSED TO saying ,"John White will of course PROUDLY and BRAVELY stand behind his 'fraud" and "fakery" allegations."
No legal mumbo jumbo, old chum...
Just a "litmus test" or "shibboleth"....
So Fallious ...
I'd like to see YOU ENCORAGE John White to ...
INVITE Fred to post using his REAL NAME and furthermore have John White INVITE Fred to bring people HE KNOWS personally to this site.
..and put Ian Neal in the position of being sued AS WELL AS John White himself.
..and then repeat his claims of "fraud" and "fakery" to the 911UK readership
It's a civil tort "litmus test" or "shibboleth" of sorts.
If John White can/has prove(n) what he is saying is INDEED "true".....
....then there should be absolutley NO PROBLEM in him coming forth with an invitation like that IMMEDIATELY and Ian Neal should ENCOURAGE him to do so...
..or PUBLICLY confront him to produce evidence of "fakery"
There should be NO REASON for John White to fail to do so.. unless John White KNOWS he has lied.
There should be NO REASON for Ian Neal to not ENCOURAGE HIM to do so.
Why would you run your moth like that Fallious without PUBLICLY BACKING your friend, John White's "fakery" and "fraud" claims....
"Slam Dunk!" ,correct?
If John White said it ..it must be true....
...but looking back at your post...hmmm...well let me DOUBLE-CHECK here...
..no! ...it's confirmed... you didn't repeat the 'fakery" and "fraud" claims that John White did
I wonder why, fallious? ... You can assure the readership IT IS not because YOU YOURSELF don't believe John White's assertions, correct? |
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david carmichael
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| Fallious wrote: | Fred, I have perhaps some unpleasant news for you...
The fact that the vast majority of this forum (let alone the world, academics, artists, photographers and camera man alike) consider the CNN footage to be fully genuine,.... |
Yeahhhh...but not just the 'vast majority"... RATHERRR... 100% of the 911UK "denial monkeys" on the CNN Video Footage faked...could not come up with the correct camera angle/distance displacement...
..after BEING ENCOURAGED to do so some 25+ times...
...after JOHN WHITE stated, "totally different angle"
Just to be sure, fallious...after some of you of you screamed "fakery" and 'fraud"...
..you're not going to get down on all fours and start squealing like a wee pig, correct?
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I think puts YOU squarely on the offensive - which I’m glad to see you have taken up with great zeal. |
...oh, from "fraud" and "faker"...now a 911UK denial monkey IS SEEMINGLY SAYING "overzealous but good-intentioned"???
Hey, Sherlock!.... Why don't you just repeat John White's 'fraud" and "faker" claim?
As far as proving his work... Fred has DONE JUST THAT
He took shots from every angle... John White stated, "totally differnt angle"...
...but when challenged for a camera angle/distance displacement ...then BOTH he and you and others started getting down on all fours and squealing like a bunch of wee pigs....
...wanting to talk about anything BUT THAT camera angle/distance displacement.
If ex-White Pine County, Nevada Commissioner, Gary Perea...moves to the right of Fred's "water shot"...the CNN footage WILL NOT be a better match
...and you 911UK denial monkeys all know it!
If Gary Perea moves to the left...same thing.
..and you all know it!
Gary Perea HAS TO MOVE forward to account for the lamp post MISSING in the CNN Video footage AND THAT too will quickly render a POORER match...
...and you all know it!
but let's give you an opportunity to answer a question you've refused to answer....
"Is the US Government and/or CNN going to be able to provide a better answer as to camera angle/distance displacement from Fred's "water's edge" shot than you all have???
Again, Fred...
I'd like to see John White INVITE YOU to post using your REAL NAME and INVITE you to bring people you know personally to this site.
..and put Ian Neal in the position of being sued AS WELL AS John White himself.
..and then repeat his claims of "fraud" and "fakery"
It's a civil tort "litmus test" or "shibboleth" of sorts.
If John White can/has prove(n) what he is saying is INDEED "true"...
...then there should be absolutley NO PROBLEM in him coming forth with an invitation like that IMMEDIATELY and Ian Neal should ENCOURAGE him to do so...
..or PUBLICLY confront him to produce evidence of "fakery"
There should be NO REASON for John White to fail to do so.. unless John White KNOWS he has lied.
There should be NO REASON for Ian Neal to not ENCOURAGE HIM to do so.
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Unfortunately, until such time as you convince people of the fakery of the CNN footage the onus is squarely on you to continue finding evidence FOR your case and you have no good reason to expect any DEFENSE from us. |
No one is asking that, m'wee bairn.... only to stand behind the counterclaims John White made.
You've fled from the words in John White's posting... no one is asking a defence from the bunch of "spineless pukes" like you have shown yourselves to be in JUST ONE thread.
"fleeing from the words" in John White's own posts...pathetic
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The simple fact that it is not accepted is your queue to continue research. |
Oh....from John White's "fraud" and "faker" to "pleethhzzz continue your rethhearch"!!!
Here m'wee bairn.... your the one who should be TAKING ADVICE instead of handing it oot....
Ready???
1)Get up off your hands and knees...
2)Wipe off your soiled bums and finally...
3)Get oot of those crapped panties
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I welcome your research and hope you will continue with it, just please try to keep in mind that this is not some contest, "first one who proves a fake wins", because as I’ve demonstrated with your example of the Air Con fans, that kind of hit and miss research only DAMAGES your case. |
Your conduct on the CNN thread and this one sort of IMPLIES that you're the last person to be moralizing to ANYONE about ANYTHING...don't you agree??
I mean someone like you who can't even state the issue straight???
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Added to that, the number of wildly different iterations and claims your theory has chewed through, and the maniacal foaming and groaning of your dumb medium, david carmichael, is enough to make any sane person doubt your credibility by association. |
David Carmichael did nothing except catch John White in a contradiction and kept hammering away at that point UNTIL John White admitted error or something worse.
You saw an entire forum of your fellow posters try to bail John White out.... now you're attempting to do so on a second thread.
Maybe instead of moralizing to others YOU SHOULD INSTEAD be cautioning your fellwo 911 denial monkeys to be careful about what they're saying.
You can count on almost TWO entire US Counties in "desperate straits" with all other options having been exhausted(one in Louisiana and the other in Nevada visiting this site)...
...to see if there is INDEED some "political dirt" they can throw back in the faces of those who have been carping about "the greater good" to them.
That's my audience... not you people.... and I'd certainly say THAT IN ONLY TWO THREADS you've shown yourselves to be the "spineless pukes" of the 911Truth Movement...
...so why on earth do you think that I or anyone else would expect a...ahemmm... "defence" from a bunch of people who can't even stand behind the words in their own postings.
the 911UK Forum is going to be famous in TWO entire US Counties.... these people are not going to be outsmarted by you...
..the fact that you've fled from your own words IS ONLY GOING to make these people think THERE IS SOMETHING worth pursuing that they can throw back in the face of the US Federales.
If history (and current adventures) teach us one thing regarding this, it’s that until such time (and often for some time after that!) as you demonstrate a highly controversial theory to be unequivocally true, you are a fraud and a liar - Harsh but true and frequently fair.[/quote]
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david carmichael
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| ian neal wrote: | John, emailled me to say he is working on it (as in presenting his case)
In the meantime patience is required. |
Ohhhh, glad to hear you chime in on this, Ian!
I certainly hope that if there is something in the way of "sloppy scholarship" or "intellectual dishonesty" about Fred or bsregistration...that it indeed COMES OUT PUBLICLY as early as possible.
Becuase that "water's edge" shot of Fred's is INDEED A WINNER... Ex-White Pine County, Nevada commissioner, Gary Perea ...either way...will now have to fly out to New York himself to replicate that "water's edge" footage.
...and indeed, Gary Perea has shown himself to be the MOST "gung ho!" of a bunch of "gung ho" ranchers WHO HAVE ALL SHOWN they will do anything to prevent the communities intheir county from becoming "ghost towns"...
..just on the chance that he has some "political ammo", so to speak, to throw back in the face of those who for almost 20 years have been carping about the "greater good"...he'll jump through hoop-after-hoop AS HE HAS already demonstrated.
1) Ian Neal... your moderator, John White has not invited Fred to post his full name... for someone doing research--- he should have no problem doing so
2) Ian Neal.... your moderator, John White, stated the "water's edge" footage was shot from a "toatlly different angle" THAN THE CNN Footage.... yet,perhaps in the words of Scotty from the Starship Enterprise....
..."got doon on all fours and started squealing like a wee pig, Captain Kirk!!!" ....
...when he was asked JUST what the correct camera angle/distance displacement should be.
Ian Neal... none of the other 911UK denial Monkeys could come up with the correct camera angle/distance displacement... they just wanted to try and get the topic off track.
Ian Neal...do you think the US Government and/or CNN is going to be able to provide a better answer as to the proper camera angle/distance displacement than the 911UK "denial monkeys" have done so far?
and why...after STATING "totally"...not "slightly" different angle....
..why did your own moderator IMMEDIATELY START fleeing from the words in his own posting?
It is because he knows any movement (right, left, forward) from Fred's "water's edge" footage will be even a poorer match than the CNN Footage, correct? |
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As far as I can see, no reply is required to your posts, you clearly flunked English comprehension and language, but I won't hold that against you. However you’ve got another thing coming if you expect me to piece your tattered thought processes together simply to provide a rebuff. If you want to debate points, make them clearly.
| david carmichael wrote: | | Hey, Sherlock!.... Why don't you just repeat John White's 'fraud" and "faker" claim? |
Happily, Fred and you are frauds and liars.
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Fallious, if you have some evidence to support those lies of yours, post it over in the empty thread backing it up.
I posted more than 20 videos showing that the CNN camera angle is not possible. You're a fraud and a liar, Fallious. And you bloody well know it. You're bearing false witness against your neighbor. Go to hell. |
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| Fred wrote: | Fallious, if you have some evidence to support those lies of yours, post it over in the empty thread backing it up.
I posted more than 20 videos showing that the CNN camera angle is not possible. You're a fraud and a liar, Fallious. And you bloody well know it. You're bearing false witness against your neighbor. Go to hell. |
A-christian-fundementalist says what?
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Quite obviously some people here are peddling an agenda that does not include getting to the bottom of 911. I have not seen the so-called faked/unfaked photos. What is the forum's OPINION of them? (I am no photoshop expert)
As for libel - that's for crooks to use. Honest people wouldn't need it. Their friends would stick up for them. Except that the media itself is totally dishonest, and will not publish affidavits by friends etc.
That's why the media is collapsing in the face of the incredibly exciting and open debates taking place on forums - even those where there is supposed to be some kind of gatekeeping - because people are figgering out the way the world works and deleting quality posts just draws attention to what the poster was trying to say.
Characters come thru over the internet. I have been slandered on this forum (called 'English'   ) but did it do me any harm?
Och, awa' wi' ye...
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| Fallious wrote: | As far as I can see, no reply is required to your posts, you clearly flunked English comprehension and language, but I won't hold that against you. However you’ve got another thing coming if you expect me to piece your tattered thought processes together simply to provide a rebuff. If you want to debate points, make them clearly.
| david carmichael wrote: | | Hey, Sherlock!.... Why don't you just repeat John White's 'fraud" and "faker" claim? |
Happily, Fred and you are frauds and liars. |
Splendid!
...and you're telling Ian Neal and ex-White Pine County, Nevada Commissioner/Rancher, Gary Perea that you YOURSELF are going to be able to hyperlink Perea to where ANY OF YOU AT ALL posted the camera angle/distance displacement from the "water's edge" shot that will more closely match the CNN Footage? |
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[quote="rodin"]Quite obviously some people here are peddling an agenda that does not include getting to the bottom of 911. I have not seen the so-called faked/unfaked photos. What is the forum's OPINION of them? (I am no photoshop expert)[quote]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkoiD_wTX_Y
http://youtube.com/watch?v=9hwdJTOdEmY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hwdJTOdEmY
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As for libel - that's for crooks to use. Honest people wouldn't need it. |
Then John White should have absolutely NO PROBLEM in inviting Fred to post his real name and invite his friends over here...
..and put Ian Neal in the position of being sued.
If John White is being truthful...no problemo,correct?
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Their friends would stick up for them. Except that the media itself is totally dishonest, and will not publish affidavits by friends etc.
That's why the media is collapsing in the face of the incredibly exciting and open debates taking place on forums - even those where there is supposed to be some kind of gatekeeping - because people are figgering out the way the world works and deleting quality posts just draws attention to what the poster was trying to say.
Characters come thru over the internet. I have been slandered on this forum (called 'English' ) but did it do me any harm?
Och, awa' wi' ye... |
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I am saying libel is a crook's tool. Fred was saying he had been 'libelled'. I also have been 'libelled' (stuff said about me that patently is not true) - English was funny, but a member of the BNP??? Actually I really get incensed when people call me racist because I report facts and join dots. It just makes me want to cut thru the BS even more.
So
no no-sequitur I think 
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Fred
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Hi Rodin,
I answered. Again, just to be clear, I'm not threating John White with a lawsuit, I'm saying he's making stuff up and lying about me. Whatever he comes up with to justify his crazy claim that I faked a photograph is going to be wrong anyway, since I didn't fake any photograph.
As for suggestions that he used to be a fair and reasonable man in the past, well, I hope that he returns to being fair and reasonable. I can tell you that he's been an ungentlemanly liar in this particular matter only. He literally just made up his "fake photo" claims out of whole cloth. I don't have any connection whatsoever with bigfoto.com or with the photgrapher. I went on the internet to see what I could find in the way of tourist snapshots that would shed light on trees and lampposts in Battery Park, and I found some footage taken on 9/11.
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david carmichael
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| Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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| rodin wrote: | | I am saying libel is a crook's tool. |
a "valid" libel case is called an "actionable claim"... not a "crook's tool"
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Fred was saying he had been 'libelled'. I also have been 'libelled' (stuff said about me that patently is not true) - English was funny, but a member of the BNP??? Actually I really get incensed when people call me racist because I report facts and join dots. It just makes me want to cut thru the BS even more.
So
no no-sequitur I think |
so...you link you both being "libeled"...and then you extend the argument to make what point about it being a "crook's tool"?????
as previously stated..."non sequitur" |
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rodin
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| david carmichael wrote: | | rodin wrote: | | I am saying libel is a crook's tool. |
a "valid" libel case is called an "actionable claim"... not a "crook's tool"
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Fred was saying he had been 'libelled'. I also have been 'libelled' (stuff said about me that patently is not true) - English was funny, but a member of the BNP??? Actually I really get incensed when people call me racist because I report facts and join dots. It just makes me want to cut thru the BS even more.
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no no-sequitur I think |
so...you link you both being "libeled"...and then you extend the argument to make what point about it being a "crook's tool"?????
as previously stated..."non sequitur" |
Only crooks can afford libel lawyers. Libel is one of the things that will go into my room 101. Sorry - I mean SUING for libel. Obviously you can't eliminate name calling.
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marky 54
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this is all nonesance and turning a debate into an argument(if it not already ).
anyway, john white said or thought fred was lieing or his work fake, followed by fred ranting and raving for proof for a few days as well as calling john white a baby raper, dont tell me nonsense like but he called fred first two wrongs dont make a right.
fred then revealed where he got the photo being called fake, which john white was not aware of at the time as all the work was being claimed to be freds work, so an honest mistake to make.
john white has posted his evidence and shown why he thought and said what he did and admits he wasnt aware the photo was someone else work.
i dont see why john white should apologize after fred evening things up with the baby raper claim.
it should be end of story and back to debating as far as im concerned. |
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Fallious
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| Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 12:26 am Post subject: |
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I use to think I was good at keeping my cool till I started reading your posts an inspiration to us all 
*takes notes*
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david carmichael
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| Fallious wrote: | As far as I can see, no reply is required to your posts, you clearly flunked English comprehension and language, but I won't hold that against you. However you’ve got another thing coming if you expect me to piece your tattered thought processes together simply to provide a rebuff. If you want to debate points, make them clearly.
| david carmichael wrote: | | Hey, Sherlock!.... Why don't you just repeat John White's 'fraud" and "faker" claim? |
Happily, Fred and you are frauds and liars. |
Great! Then there should be absolutely NO PROBLEM with repeating the encouragement to John White, correct?
John White...why not invite Fred:
1) to post under his full name
AND ALSO
2)invite him to have people who know him personally to visit Ian Neal's forum?
Then repeat your "fraud" and "fakery" claims... as long as you can prove it in UK Court... you're safe!!!! |
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david carmichael
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| Fallious wrote: | I use to think I was good at keeping my cool till I started reading your posts an inspiration to us all
*takes notes* |
well in the words of fauxSean Connery..."letzzshhh shhtick to what you've already SHOWN YOURSHHELFF to b'good at, laddie;to wit,....
..."gettin' doon on all fourshhzzz and shhkwealing like a wee pig!" |
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John White
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| Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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Why don't you? Fred could do all those things anyway without "demands" from me, it makes no difference
My case is made, and proven: its certainly reasoned
Mind you, I can see the court case:
"Well yr honour, theres this bloke who reckons the TV pictures of the planes hitting the towers on 9/11 were all faked, I said he was making it up, showed up where his thinking was well iffy, and now he's doing me for libel..."
Try and get real David, I know its hard for you...
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david carmichael
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Great! Then there should be absolutely NO PROBLEM with repeating the encouragement to John White, correct?
John White...why not invite Fred:
1) to post under his full name
AND ALSO
2)invite him to have people who know him personally to visit Ian Neal's forum?
Then repeat your "fraud" and "fakery" claims... as long as you can prove it in UK Court... you're safe!!!! [/quote] |
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david carmichael
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| Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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| John White wrote: |
Try and get real David, I know its hard for you... |
..as "hard"?
..less "hard"? OR
"harder"??
...than you yourself stating the correct camera angle/distance displacement from Fred's "water's edge" video shot WHICH WILL bring the CNN Footage into alignment?
You've had MORE THAN 30 ooportunities to CLEAR UP your "totally different angle" thesis...
..yet you CANNOT even put an "X" on a map of Battery Park |
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