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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 2:00 am    Post subject: Media Hoax Reply with quote

The media's role in the 9/11 attacks should be examined. Is that a controversy?

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/414324/cnn_fake_footage_blasted_impossib le_camera_angles_impossible/

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/533907/cnn_fake_footage_blasted_when_whe re_and_how_did_they_film_th/

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/542884/cnn_hoax_if_by_land_cnn_hoax_if_b y_sea/

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/541194/cnn_fake_footage_blasted_more_pro of_for_the_hard_headed/
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 12:20 am    Post subject: Re: Media Hoax Reply with quote

Your claim have been busted. The CNN ghost footage was CLEARLY taken at a greater elevation and closer to the South Tower than the park video footage, explaining why the lamp post was not visible in it and why buildings look different or are not visible and rendering invalid any inference of fakery in the CNN footage based upon these differences. I myself pointed this out weeks ago in a thread making the same half-baked claim.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 3:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And when you go up, what do you see 19 Rector Street. What's missing from the CNN Video? 19 Rector Street. The CNN Video is fake. If you are closer to the south tower, what happens? The red building drops behind the top of the Whitehall building. Which means what?

It means the CNN video is fake.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

has anyone asked cnn where they took the footage from?
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

iro wrote:
has anyone asked cnn where they took the footage from?


CNN didn't film the footage, and if they did they certainly wouldn't admit it now. That is perhaps the most laughable feature of this whole fakery crusade.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fallious wrote:
iro wrote:
has anyone asked cnn where they took the footage from?


CNN didn't film the footage, and if they did they certainly wouldn't admit it now. That is perhaps the most laughable feature of this whole fakery crusade.

so who did and on what equipment and where did they say they were?
why, if fred wants us to believe his shizzle, hasnt he laid this all out methodologically in a clear thesis on this site so we can see it on its merits?

forgive me fred for not wanting to go to the sites you linked and wade through the mass of data there and follow the actions of nutters, why should i believe you?
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

iro wrote:
has anyone asked cnn where they took the footage from?

Actually, I have. But so far I have received no reply.

If, as Fallious says, they didn't film it, they will have some record of who did because no doubt the cameraman has been paid (as the copyright now seems to be with CNN) and issued an invoice.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 4:34 pm    Post subject: FAO Fred Reply with quote

FAO Fred.

Along with your gang, you have made such a mess of this forum it is impossible to know where to post. There doesn't seem to be a single thread which has remained on topic.

Not being familiar with your neighbourhood (the 'u' should confirm this), I would be obliged if you would mark the errant 19 Rector Street on this aerial photograph - without resizing it or adding any music!

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm bumping this because whilst all the CNN fakirs are shouting about lam posts (sic) and 19 Rector Street - not one of them has stepped forward to mark the aforementioned address on an aerial photograph.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you were familar with New York, you wouldn't be defending the fake CNN video. 19 Rector Street is right here, in the line of sight. Perhaps Mi6 should have coordinated better with the other intelligence agencies before making such a stupid mistake. I guess arrogance and incompetence go together. Isn't that right John 54 Marky White?




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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mess of the forum? This is a cesspool of lies and disinformation with Chek, Stefan, and the sock puppet John Marky 54 White shouting down all the real information, and putting all the actual research into the "controversial" section. It's not a truth site at all. Of course you know that Flamesong.

If you were familar with New York, you wouldn't be defending the fake CNN video. 19 Rector Street is right here, in the line of sight. Perhaps Mi6 should have coordinated better with the other intelligence agencies before making such a stupid mistake. I guess arrogance and incompetence go together. Isn't that right John 54 Marky White?




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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 7:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Media Hoax Reply with quote

Micpsi wrote:
Your claim have been busted. The CNN ghost footage was CLEARLY taken at a greater elevation and closer to the South Tower than the park video footage, explaining why the lamp post was not visible in it and why buildings look different or are not visible and rendering invalid any inference of fakery in the CNN footage based upon these differences. I myself pointed this out weeks ago in a thread making the same half-baked claim.


Micpsi...the missing 19 Rector Street Building with the raised elevation that you claim?

You still have not replied...fleeing from the words in your very own postings?

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you.

Now, I have a problem.

The building you circled as 19 Rector Street, is enlarged by 200% here:



To my eyes it doesn't resemble the images I've managed to find of 19 Rector Street:

Source:http://members.aol.com/smurphy110/down/19rector.htm


Source:http://www.nycjpg.com/2003/pictures/jpg/0711.p.jpg
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This photo makes things a bit clearer I hope - I believe Fred is correct in identifying the building in question as 19 Rector Street.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Excellent photo, Empty Bee!!!

That just about wraps it up!

No missing building, no missing lamp posts. And the video was shot from a boat - that's why it is so shakey!

End of freakin' story!

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

flamesong wrote:
Excellent photo, Empty Bee!!!

That just about wraps it up!

No missing building, no missing lamp posts. And the video was shot from a boat - that's why it is so shakey!

End of freakin' story!

Mornington Cresent!


..unfortunately...in the CNN Video we do have a missing lamp post AND a missing esplanade tree set AS WELL as the apparent height of the red building in relation to the WhiteHall Bldg.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The missing building is right here, Flamer. It's visible from a boat, and not from CNN. That's an easy way to show the CNN video is fake. Its right there in the real video, and it's not there in the fake video from CNN. Look in the lower right of the top photo. BUSTED! The CNN Video is a proven fake.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just checking I'm not hallucinating here -

On the very first thread on this topic I pointed out you could see the tip of the building over the foilage.

It's still there.

50 threads later and it's still right there... Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's another building that could close down the angle via triangulation ever closer that's on the right hand side of the frame of the CNN shot at its widest:



I believe it is this building (unsure of the name):



The above photo was cropped from this larger image:



Aerial view visible on Google Maps here

I think it's very likely that the view was from a boat, given that's a logical place to find sightseers with camcorders.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stefan wrote:
Just checking I'm not hallucinating here -

On the very first thread on this topic I pointed out you could see the tip of the building over the foilage.

It's still there.

50 threads later and it's still right there... Rolling Eyes


Yes i know. Its actually easier to get through to JREF'ers

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sockpuppet John White / Marky 54 has already been exposed


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All of these videos show the CNN video to be fake.


http://www.metacafe.com/watch/414324/cnn_fake_footage_blasted_impossib le_camera_angles_impossible/

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/533907/cnn_fake_footage_blasted_when_whe re_and_how_did_they_film_th/

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/542884/cnn_hoax_if_by_land_cnn_hoax_if_b y_sea/

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/541194/cnn_fake_footage_blasted_more_pro of_for_the_hard_headed/
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So your claim is that John and Mark are the same person based on the fact that they misspelled the same word and have similar volumes of posts, despite the fact that they have completely different posting styles and have been met in person by members of this site?

That makes about as much sense as suggesting that the entirety of Manhattan was faked by CNN on 9/11. Oh wait...

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fred wrote:
Sockpuppet John White / Marky 54 has already been exposed


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All of these videos show the CNN video to be fake.


http://www.metacafe.com/watch/414324/cnn_fake_footage_blasted_impossib le_camera_angles_impossible/

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/533907/cnn_fake_footage_blasted_when_whe re_and_how_did_they_film_th/

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/542884/cnn_hoax_if_by_land_cnn_hoax_if_b y_sea/

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/541194/cnn_fake_footage_blasted_more_pro of_for_the_hard_headed/


read the comments to the videos fred and listen to those people. they quite clearly state they dont understand.

heres what the first message says "i dont know lol im not getting the angles part"

do you always ignore critism or do you just attack it like you have here?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 3:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

John White aka "Marky 54", it must be time to chek your fallious stefan.


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