Animal Rights forgotten in the truth movement

[rubber_ritchie]

Hi,

I'm new to the truth movement but I have been active in the animal rights movement for 8 years. It suprises me that most in the 'truth' movement are silent on animal issues. In the UK alone over 900 million non-human animals are killed for food and the majority live a life of misery where they are castrated, debeaked, branded, taken from their mothers within days, etc. Volumes could be written about the horrific and unnecessary abuses that go on against non-human animals.

I went to see David Icke talk at the Brixton Academy last year. In 7 hours he said not a word about non-human animals. Please remember our non human animal brothers and sisters are victims of the New World Order too!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5097245970111922287&q=chew+on +this

[Stefan]

Hey Ritchie,
I think I could say I fully agree with your view on animal rights.

But there is no surprise that the "9/11 Truth Campaign UK and Ireland" is not focusing on animal rights:

It's outside our remit, our goals and aims.

There are far too many demands from all corners that the 9/11 Truth Campaign incorporates all of our induvidual personal beleifs. It doesn't make any sense to me that everyone is struggling to make this campaign the "My personal views + 9/11 Truth Campaign".

There are many campaigns existing which deal with animal rights, which deal with criticising Israel, which deal with the EU, Chemtrails, Crop Circles; the list goes on forever.

Nothing is stopping any of us from being a part of this campaign and others at the same time - let's not all get caught up in a situation where thousands of induvidual members all seek to incorporate the other issues they are passionate about into this campaign and focus on what unites us all.

There is a strong reason why the 9/11 Truth Campaign doesn't focus on every important issue under the sun: It dilutes our focus away from bringing the verefiable facts which refute the official conspiracy theory of 9/11 to the general public, and threatens to divide members who might not share our own beleifs, whereas there is one thing we ALL agree with:

The official story of 9/11 is a lie.

[Dogsmilk]

I agree with Stefan -
I fully support the principles - in fact they are very important to me, but I wouldn't expect the Truth movement to endorse such positions any more than I'd expect the ALF to become preoccupied with 911. Though individuals may have their own concerns regarding both issues.

I'm kind of surprised David Icke had nothing to say on the subject, though. IMHO the psychological attitude that allows us to treat other species as a mere commodity is the same one that allows us to go on to treat other humans as mere commodities. You'd think it's not beyond Icke's remit to at least acknowledge what we do to other species.

[telecasterisation]

I have been vegan for nearly twenty years. This includes no dairy or eggs.

The resistance is very high from most dedicated meat eaters, they are conditioned to believe that modern meat products are an essential part of every day living, additional hormones and antibiotics and all. Not to mention the way we distance ourselves from what objects on our plates really are/were. My twelve year old had no idea until recently that pork was actually dead pig.

I can say with absolute certainty that I am much healthier by not eating meat. It keeps my arthritis under control, my energy levels are always high, I have excellent skin and can't remember the last time I had a cold or infection.

This is a big subject on which I could write reams, you will be pleased to know I don't plan to.

[Dogsmilk]

Did you hear about the vegetarian cannibals?

- they just ate the nuts.

...I'll get my coat...

[karlos]

[blackcat]

For Christ's sake where do you get this bilge from Stelios. Yet again all problems are the result of the "Labour" government even though the farmers are the most heavily subsidised of any industry. If you want to see the "decimation" of an industry then look up coal mining and see what Thatcher did to it. Farmers even get paid specifically to do nothing under "set-aside" although they can plant rape seed for bio fuel in the "set-aside" and still get paid for "not" using the land. What a racket! Why do farmers not have to have Thatcher's famous market forces work on them? They would be all bust if they weren't so cossetted by the taxpayer to destroy the countryside they allegedly are custodians of. Will you please get it into your head that we do NOT have a Labour government but a Tory one with a new name.

As for the misinformation about vegetarianism it is shocking you should be allowed to post such blatantly wrong "information".

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[telecasterisation]

I often have to giggle at the justification of eating meat.

This was a stonker;

[Dogsmilk]

Cats manufacture their own Vitamin C - we don't. God must have had an off day.

Edit - Come to think of it, they have big fangs and claws too.
As far as I'm concerned, anyone who thinks they need to eat meat because it's 'natural', should strip naked, go into the woods and see how far they get bringing down their prey with their bare hands. I wouldn't see fox hunters as such cowardly, sadistic scum if they managed to catch foxes by chasing them across field on their own.

[Dogsmilk]

[telecasterisation]

I would add that wonderful dietary requirements such as those imposed by Hal-Al, expose animals to the most horrific torture.

In 1991, I found myself in a French abbatoir. I am unable to find the words to describe witnessing several dozen calves hanging upside-down watching their own blood drip into a vat whilst they mooed - they must be blood free to qualify as 'Hal-Al' produce so they are bled to death.

I could HAPPILY have machine-gunned every worker in the place.

All this utter bilge about 'animals humanly put to death'.

Stelios needs considerable more exposure to the real world than Google.

[Dogsmilk]

I can relate to that feeling Tele. I recall watching a fox torn to shreds by dogs right in front of me. The remaining mush scooped into a plastic bag and held aloft by some grinning upper class tw@t as scum on horses sat there looking proud like they'd just accomplished something wonderful. I'd have settled for a 9mm.

Essential reading:

[karlos]

[blackcat]

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[karlos]

I would like you to retract your deliberate MISINFORMATION
once the animal has been killed the fact that its body is drained of blood after it is dead is in no way cruel the animal is already dead and in fact meat that is drained of blood is far cleaner and healthier for us.
Your allegation that an animal is left to die SLOWLY is a complete and utter LIE
if you cant argue by stating the facts then i suggest you piss off back 'upstairs'

my sister is a vegetarian so she is on your side not mine and why would i be asking her for any advice about halal meat?

[karlos]

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[Mark Gobell]

What does humane mean ?

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[karlos]

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[Witchfinder General]

So how many of you would continue to eat meat if animals were sold as living creatures and you had to take them home on a trailer or in the boot of your car and kill them when you got home?

I know that when I drive past a lorry full of sheep on the way to slaughter, I feel pretty disgusted with the human race.

When I was a postman 30 odd years ago I used to deliver mail to the abbatoir, I tell you there was always an awful bad smell every time I went there, maybe this had something to do with the fear in the animals, sometimes you could hear animals screaming when they knew they were being lined up for slaughter.

When I was a small boy my dad used to kill chickens for a local poultry farmer and I used to sit in the killing shed with him while he wringed their necks.

I still remember one day when I felt sorry for one chicken that had a limp, I said to my dad please don't kill this one.

Well I thought he was saving that one for me but he just killed it last.

[blackcat]

[rubber_ritchie]

Hi guys!

Wow! What a thread. Thank so much for all the wonderful replies. Stelios, in 15 years of researching vegetarianism I have never heard many of your claims. You have clearly never read anything on the subject. The Atkins diet made people loose weight but then led to terrible health problems. My Atkins himself died of a heart attack.

I appreciate this isn't an issue that the 9-11 Truth movement should take on. Of course we need to be focused on 9-11. On a broader scale though I think it's important we address how the system is causing so much suffering to animals.

[Stefan]

[karlos]

[blackcat]

If someone who supports the feeding of live cattle to tigers says so on this site then expect people to respond critically. I suppose the main reason why people do not bring up the subject is because this is a 9/11 truth site. Maybe people deal with that topic elesewhere. I would not have raised the issue of animal cruelty but since someone did, and you posted your..... erm.... views, then I felt compelled to respond. I still suspect that you are having a laugh though.

[karlos]

I am a meat eater. But i believe in compassion in farming and am against the kind of cruelty practised in other countries like europe and as we all saw on tv today and previously in china.
I am still waiting for the poster to condemn chinese treatment of animals.
You were very happy to condemn Britain.

Why are you not calling for a boycott of chinese goods?
Why because you prefer to attack Britain which has the highest animal welfare standards in the world.

Why isnt the other poster boycotting french goods? You say you went to a french abatoir what did you do about it? Still buying your french cars and drinking your french wines i bet.

I buy British.