It started with Mearsheimer and Walt's scathing critique of AIPAC's influence on US politics, but really took off after israel's brutal attack against defenseless civilians in Lebanon and Jimmy Carter's condemnation of israeli apartheid in Gaza and the West Bank.
Now, people from all walks of life are coming out to call a spade a spade.
Zionists are now on the run and pretty soon they'll have nowhere to hide from the blazing scrutiny of an unbiased media.
In the space of three days, major critiques of Jewish lobbying were published by controversial billionaire George Soros, Pulitzer Prize-winning columnist Nicholas Kristof, the respected British newsmagazine The Economist and the popular Web site Salon.
The replies were furious. The New York Sun accused Kristof and Soros of spreading a “new blood libel.” The American Jewish Committee’s executive director, David Harris, wrote in a Jerusalem Post opinion article that Kristof had a “blind spot” and had “sanctimoniously lectured” Israel.
The editor of The New Republic, Martin Peretz, renewed an attack on Soros that he began a month ago when he called the Hungarian-born Holocaust survivor a “cog in the Hitlerite wheel.”
The outburst over Middle East policymaking was triggered in part by the annual Washington conference last week of the pro-Israel lobbying powerhouse, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, a highly publicized event that put the issue of pro-Israel influence in the media spotlight. A parade of politicians and presidential candidates came to the conference to declare their unwavering support for Israel, while the lobby itself reaffirmed a hard-line agenda that included cutting all American ties with the new Palestinian government.
At the same time, the latest attacks and counterattacks were also a continuation — and an escalation — of an ongoing debate in Washington over the purported role of the pro-Israel lobby in shaping American policy in the Middle East and stifling debate. Those attacks reached a peak of venom last year with the publication of a contentious document by two senior political scientists, Stephen Walt of Harvard and John Mearsheimer of the University of Chicago, who charged that a sprawling, powerful “Israel Lobby” had pushed the United States into war with Iraq.
Among the latest group of critics, Soros, the billionaire philanthropist and currency trader, was the harshest. In an article in The New York Review of Books, published
Monday, he argued that the United States is doing Israel a disservice by allowing it to boycott the Hamas-Fatah Palestinian unity government and to turn down the Saudi peace initiative. But, he wrote, there is no meaningful debate of such policies.
“While other problem areas of the Middle East are freely discussed, criticism of our policies toward Israel is very muted indeed,” Soros wrote. He added that pro-Israel activists have been “remarkably successful in suppressing criticism.”
Soros singled out Aipac as a key source of the problem, accusing the lobby of pushing a hawkish agenda on Israeli-Palestinian issues. “Aipac under its current leadership has clearly exceeded its mission, and far from guaranteeing Israel’s existence, has endangered it,” he wrote.
Soros’s article was noteworthy in part because it broke his longstanding practice of avoiding public identification with Jewish causes. While he has given hundreds of millions of dollars in the past decade to democratization in the former communist bloc, he has given almost nothing to Jewish causes. In this week’s article, however, he stated — apparently for the first time — that he has “a great deal of sympathy for my fellow Jews and a deep concern for the survival of Israel.”
He said that while he has disagreed with Israeli policies in the past, he has kept quiet because he “did not want to provide fodder to the enemies of Israel.” However, he said, the mishandling of recent events by Washington and Jerusalem now demanded greater public debate, which he said was stifled by groups like Aipac.
He also sprang to the defense of his fellow Jewish liberals, criticizing a recent essay on “Progressive Jewish Thought,” written by Indiana University historian Alvin Rosenfeld and published by the American Jewish Committee, for its attack on critics of Israel.
Soros wrote that he is “not sufficiently engaged in Jewish affairs to be involved in the reform of Aipac” and called on the American Jewish community “to rein in the organization that claims to represent it.”
A spokesperson for Aipac said the group will not comment on Soros’s remarks.
An argument echoing Soros’s was posted a day later on the popular Web site Salon, in an article titled “Can American Jews unplug the Israel lobby?” The writer, Gary Kamiya, called on American Jews to “stand up and say ‘not in my name’,” and to challenge the notion that Aipac’s views are representative of the broader Jewish community.
Less pointed, but far more widely circulated, was a critique of American policymaking published Sunday by New York Times opinion columnist Nicholas Kristof. The much-decorated journalist, famous for his determined coverage of the Darfur genocide, argued that American politicians have “muzzled themselves” when it comes to Israel and that “there is no serious political debate among either Democrats or Republicans about our policy toward Israelis and Palestinians.”
Both Kristof and Soros compared America’s Middle East policy discussion unfavorably with the lively debate in Israel over the government’s policy. Both claimed that while Israelis feel free to criticize their government and question its policies, American politicians are afraid to take it on.
The Economist, the internationally respected British newsweekly, summed up Friday in a prescient article the “changing climate” facing the pro-Israel lobby. It mentioned challenges to Aipac from Arab Americans, liberal Jews and foreign-policy experts worried about America’s standing in the Arab world. “America needs an open debate about its role in the Middle East and Aipac needs to take a positive role in this debate if it is to remain such a mighty force in American politics,” the article concluded.
This burst of criticism against the Israel lobby and its role in the shaping of American policy toward Israel was immediately met by critical articles from supporters of Aipac and of America’s pro-Israel policies.
A Monday editorial in the New York Sun was the harshest of all. It compared Soros’s and Kristof’s criticisms to the so-called blood libels directed against Jews in medieval Europe. “The fact is that they write at a time when a war against the Jews is underway,” the Sun wrote. “It is a war in which the American people have stood with Israel for three generations… The reason is that Americans are wise enough to understand which side in the war against the Jews shares our values — and to sort out the truth from the libels.”
You're damned straight.
And the first libel they're bound to figure out is the libel that people who condemn israel condemn Jews for no reason - it's a lie.
Our problem is not with Jews per se, but with the political ideology that insists that they can kill with impunity to maintain a so-called "purely Jewish state," even though many - if not most - of the so-called "Jews" who live there are neither semitic nor do they believe in God.
Watch the video
Jews are GOOD
Zionists are BAD
the jews are carrying Palestinian flags
and the zionist is more racist and rude to them than to others off camera who i presume were palestinians. He says they have a right to demonstrate but the Jews dont.
This video demonstrates that most Jews are good.
Rupert Murdoch is a zionist but he is 100% not jewish
Tony Blair is a zionist
George Bush
etc
In actual fact one of the best assets the zionist movement had was Yasser Arafat who made money for himself while holding back his people. _________________
Murdoch "became an American citizen for business reasons," according to Richard H. Curtiss, editor of the Washington Report on Middle East Affairs. Keith Rupert was born in Melbourne, Australia, on March 11, 1931. "Rupert's father, Sir Keith Murdoch, was a newspaper publisher, and his mother an Orthodox Jew," Curtiss wrote, "although Murdoch never offers that information in his biographies."
Murdoch's father married Elisabeth Joy Greene, daughter of Rupert Greene in 1928. They had one son, Keith Rupert and three daughters. Later in life, Keith Rupert chose to use Rupert, the first name of his Jewish maternal grandfather.
The young Keith Rupert was educated at Australia's fashionable Geelong private school, and went on to the elitist and aristocratic Oxford University in England, according to Candour (UK) magazine.
"Rupert's father Sir Keith Murdoch attained his prominent position in Australian society through a fortuitous marriage to the daughter of a wealthy Jewish family, Elisabeth Joy Greene. Through his wife's connections, Keith Murdoch was subsequently promoted from reporter to chairman of the British-owned newspaper where he worked. There was enough money to buy himself a knighthood of the British realm, two newspapers in Adelaide, South Australia, and a radio station in a faraway mining town," Candour wrote in 1984. "For some reason, Murdoch has always tried to hide the fact that his pious mother brought him up as a Jew."
Were the Jews who killed the Tsar etc. and set up the Soviet system with Gulags, tens of millions genocided etc - were they exclusively what you would call Zionists? Or are they really a criminal gang for whom Zionism is itself a false flag?
And like you say, most Jews would be on our side I think if they knew the full story, despite the supremacist conditioning they receive via the psyop of 'God's Chosen People'. There is good in all so-called races.
A race suggests competition doesn't it? Rat race. Race to the death. We are not races. We are breeds.
Humans are like dogs. They come in different colours and different breeds have different characteristics. Pedigree dogs are bred to be distorted from a healthy physique to meet some arbitrary criterion of taste. I always thought that an odd practice. Now I think the evilite plan to do the same with us. To breed strains of humans to satisfy their particular needs and wants. (They will not want strong 'mongrels' standing up to their inbred weakness).
They will use tech to artificially extend their own physical prowess and to extend their lives. They are aiming to download their software - soul - and upload it into new bodies to achieve a kind of immortality. Perhaps clones of themselves, or of their favourite star...
How do I know this? Because such an aim looks feasible given where tech is heading and it is logical. _________________ Belief is the Enemy of Truth www.dissential.com
Were the Jews who killed the Tsar etc. and set up the Soviet system with Gulags, tens of millions genocided etc - were they exclusively what you would call Zionists? Or are they really a criminal gang for whom Zionism is itself a false flag?
So Lenin was a Jew presumably?
The Russian revolution was jewish was it?
Muslims go round asserting it was financed by Rothschild.
This is 'history' of the schoolyard.
The tens of millions who died under the auspices of the British Empire as noted in the book Late Victorian Holocausts was a ...jewish event?
Conspirator, Rodin is saying that zionism is itself another false flag, another ism to hide behind, so I believe you are in agreement.
We are talking about a unaccountable criminal elite, a global mafia of crime families. Some of these families can be labelled zionist, some not. Only a small number of zionists are (in all likelihood) are involved in high crimes like 9/11.
To say zionists = bad, jews = good or zionists = the elite is too simplistic. The criminal elite includes those that call themselves zionist but it also includes many who don't. IMO Israel is a criminal state in much the same way as Apartheid South Africa was a criminal state. Ordinary Israeli jews who support zionism (a Jewish state) are misguided to support such a criminal state IMO but no more criminally responsible than white South African who supported Apartheid. The true criminals are the ones running the show.
Conspirator, Rodin is saying that zionism is itself another false flag, another ism to hide behind, so I believe you are in agreement.
We are talking about a unaccountable criminal elite, a global mafia of crime families. Some of these families can be labelled zionist, some not. Only a small number of zionists are (in all likelihood) are involved in high crimes like 9/11.
To say zionists = bad, jews = good or zionists = the elite is too simplistic. The criminal elite includes those that call themselves zionist but it also includes many who don't. IMO Israel is a criminal state in much the same way as Apartheid South Africa was a criminal state. Ordinary Israeli jews who support zionism (a Jewish state) are misguided to support such a criminal state IMO but no more criminally responsible than white South African who supported Apartheid. The true criminals are the ones running the show.
I hear what you are saying. I think that the gang may be more closely knit than you give it credit for. It is true that you can look for connections and find them everywhere (Mark Gobell's numbers being a prime (scuse the pun) example. But the really BIG levers - where true power and influence lies - money + media - the control is there for anyone with open eyes to see. So I beg to differ. I think it is essentially a family affair - an extended one for sure - but one with secret links that go beyond mutual greed. They rely on each other to keep the secret. A disparate group would demonstrate more infighting. _________________ Belief is the Enemy of Truth www.dissential.com
From Radio Islam (and many other sites) - lists of owners/directors etc of media companies. The first perhaps of most interest to us in the UK - the owners andf controllers are household names in many cases.
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Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 12:13 am Post subject:
Gosh. Those radioislam links have shocked me.
Jewish people make up 0.5% of the UK population, yet they seem to demonstrably control ALL the major media outlets in the UK.
Zionist or not, there is concerted familial co-ordination going on here. This can only happen by this group conspiring to achieve this kind of take-over of all the machinery of the media in the UK.
Are we not absolutely mad to allow one group with an obviously self-centred agenda to dominate our society's thinking in this fashion? Must we make no complaint out of sheer politeness.....or fear of being called anti-semitic?
This hegemony could not have come about without these people playing very dirty indeed.......and yet here we are, agonising under the influence of a collective etiquette that has been created for us by the very people who gain by it.
How stupid are we?
Let us speak plainly. The degree of influence and control that Jewish people exert over this society is ridiculously disproportionate to their numbers and extremely dangerous to the well-being of all.
I have just watched 'Question Time' and the parameters within which the debate was carried out made me want to weep.
The British public have little or no awareness of the facts of 9/11, the money-creation system nor of the many other ways that sensible debate is limited by the media.
Yes, Zionists are only part of the big picture....but this Jewish over-representation in positions of serious power (and as possessors of serious wealth, I bet) is an issue in itself....It might not particularly be one for this website and our collective 9/11 focus, but I fail to see how anyone can argue that this media issue is one that should not be raised.
What if any other minority group exercised this power over us? (the Chinese, say, were 0.4% of the UK population in 2001, a similar number)
Would people stand for it?
Not if they knew it was happening they wouldn't.
It is people's recognition over the years of the way that top Jewish people conspire to control resources and their host society that has caused anti-semitism.
It is not Jewish people that people take offence to...but this kind of conspiracy. Unfortunately, the whole Jewish community have often been tarred, unfairly, with the same brush. Unfortunately, also, most of this community appears to have bought into the idea that anti-semitism is some kind of irrational pre-disposition for ordinary people to hate them just because they are Jewish.
However, I do object to the fact that Jews control EVERY major media outlet in the UK.
Murdoch is NOT jewish
The only way to be Jewish is if your mother is herself Jewish.
Murdoch certainly is zionist
but that might stem from the people who lent him the money to buy everything in the first place
EG: Hitler - his father was Jewish but his mother wasnt, which may have contributed to him hating jews
David Beckham his grandmother is jewish, meaning his mother was born jewish, meaning he can legally call himself jewish if he wants
No conversion to judaism is allowed nor is adoption considered a valid qualification. The bloodline travells through the mother only.
Forget madonna and karbala because that is not judaism rather a new age witchcraft type of religion _________________
Murdoch is NOT jewish
The only way to be Jewish is if your mother is herself Jewish.
Did you bother to read the link I posted above? Here is a part again
Quote:
Rupert was born in Melbourne, Australia, on March 11, 1931. "Rupert's father, Sir Keith Murdoch, was a newspaper publisher, and his mother an Orthodox Jew,
Quote:
Later in life, Keith Rupert chose to use Rupert, the first name of his Jewish maternal grandfather.
Quote:
"For some reason, Murdoch has always tried to hide the fact that his pious mother brought him up as a Jew."
His mother was Jewish and she brought him up as a Jew. Which part do you not follow?
karbala .... is not judaism rather a new age witchcraft type of religion
I'm not big on organised religions myself, but let's take care in discussing different religions and spiritual beliefs. One person's new age witchcraft is another person's source of spiritual enlightenment. Some would take the description of their beliefs as witchcraft to be positive but many would not.
too be honest, it does say Elisabeth Joy Greene was born in Melbourne to an Irish Protestant father and an English mother. it does not state that her mother was jewish or not _________________
What if any other minority group exercised this power over us?
But I would argue that's precsely what we have. We have a nexus of shadowy groupings who wield power out of all proportion to their numbers but what they certainly are not is solely defined by their faith or their origin.
Here are just a few of these shadowy groupings that play a part in the nexus that are not jewish or zionist.
high degree masons,
skull and bonesmen,
bilderbergers,
the P2 lodge,
elite jesuits
opus dei
the mafia,
rogue elements of MI5/6, CIA and the KGB/FSB,
Committe of 300
and so forth
Those who frame their understanding of this nexus through the lens of faith or zionism are playing straight in to the hands of the powers that be. That is precisely what they would wish us to do. So much the easier to characterise this movement as anti-semitic and so much the easier to use as a tool to ratchet up the tensions between the faiths (which after all is their end game).
People who want characterise this 'conspiracy' as a zionist conspiracy need to wise up. You are being played by the very forces you claim to oppose. Those who characterise this as a jewish conspiracy, you need to come out straight and state this: all the easier for the moderators to ban you. Anti-jewish comments will not be tolerated. Someone's faith is irrelevent in this
Conspirator, Rodin is saying that zionism is itself another false flag, another ism to hide behind, so I believe you are in agreement.
We are talking about a unaccountable criminal elite, a global mafia of crime families. Some of these families can be labelled zionist, some not. Only a small number of zionists are (in all likelihood) are involved in high crimes like 9/11.
To say zionists = bad, jews = good or zionists = the elite is too simplistic. The criminal elite includes those that call themselves zionist but it also includes many who don't. IMO Israel is a criminal state in much the same way as Apartheid South Africa was a criminal state. Ordinary Israeli jews who support zionism (a Jewish state) are misguided to support such a criminal state IMO but no more criminally responsible than white South African who supported Apartheid. The true criminals are the ones running the show.
Rodin said Jews killed the Tsar. The Russian Revolution like the French one before it was a national revolution against a feudal autocracy. It wasn't a jewish event, it wasn't financed by jewish money and its main actors were Russian.
Rodin has argued on this site that communism=fascism but has left the British Empire off the hook This is a widespread view within British academia but it isn't history. Its politics. And as such I am allowed to oppose the view for it is ahistorical.
The owners of property in Russia were overthrown, went into exile or exterminated. No one passed property rights in a hereditary manner to their children in Russia for 7 odd decades. The same cannot be said about Germany or Britain. The Krypps, Thyzens, Benzes who financed German fascism kept their wealth and continued to live in Germany after the defeat of fascism
Out of the 16 oligarchs of the Yeltsin era according to Stiglitz (Nobel prize winner-economist of the World Bank) all have either left the country, are in gaol or have lost their money. many of these Oligarchs were considered to be Russian Jews. To what extent they were depends on what one believes a jew is. I am of the opinion that the USA came into agreement with Russia to prop up Israels demographic collapse in the 1990's and they agreed to ship 1 million Russians there. Many of the rich onew were able to bring their money into Israel, also Cyprus, now its happening openly in London under 'red' Ken!
So I think the story is a lot more complicated than appears at first site...
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Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 11:20 am Post subject:
ian neal wrote:
People who want characterise this 'conspiracy' as a zionist conspiracy need to wise up. You are being played by the very forces you claim to oppose. Those who characterise this as a jewish conspiracy, you need to come out straight and state this: all the easier for the moderators to ban you. Anti-jewish comments will not be tolerated. Someone's faith is irrelevent in this
No, the conspiracy that brought us 9/11 was not a Zionist conspiracy. Zionism is one of the many tools used by the conspiratorial powers to bring about their New World Order.
However, our media outlets are almost exclusively under the control of one small (0.5%) self-defining racial group. For both the UK and the USA (where the percentage of poulation is more like 5%) this statement appears to be a simple matter of FACT.
This is self-evidently an unnatural situation. With our knowledge of the suppression of 9/11 truth and much more besides, who can disagree that this situation is also very dangerous for everybody.
Are you saying, Ian, that if it wasn't Jews then the PTB would have others doing exactly the same thing for them?
Well, yes, you are probably right.
Nevertheless I think they would struggle to get masons et al to push the Zionist line quite so effectively and enthusiatically.
The media silence on what is being done to the Palestinians right now is a scandal in itself.
I would prefer that Jews exercised about 0.5% of total control over the media. Then truth might have some chance of breaking through.
I will tell you this Ian....while the media is controlled in this way 9/11 truth will never be more than a JFK-style 'conspiracy theory' no matter how universally it becomes accepted. The media need to be wrenched from the hands of these Jews and their sponsors.
Jewish people make up 0.5% of the UK population, yet they seem to demonstrably control ALL the major media outlets in the UK.
I would like to see some properly conducted research that shows this and I'm not talking a list of names of prominent jewish people who happen to work in the MSM taken from some dodgy, clearly anti-semitic website like jewwatch.
This research would need to show how jewish people are disproportionately over represented in the MSM having taken into account differences in education and socio-economic factors and the usual 'old boys network' influences.
It would then need to show how any over representation is the result of positive selection during recruitment and promotion processes and explain how this favouritism functions. It would then need to show how these jewish people CONTROL the MSM.
How do they CONTROL non-jewish colleagues in senior positions of power or CONTROL jews who are unwilling to go along with this?
You will find no argument from me that the MSM is controlled and biased in the interests of the rich and the powerful. The MSM are up to their necks in their complicity of covering up 9/11. But seeing this through a faith/jewish/zionist lens is bs of the highest order that comes very close to breaking this sites absolute rejection of racism/anti-jewish.
Not that I have any statistics to provide as evidence, but I'll wager that ex-public school boys are disportionately overly represented in senior positions in the MSM and all other institutions of power in this country. I'll wager freemasons are similarly over-represented.
But this doesn't mean that ALL ex-public school boys or freemasons are 'in on it'.
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Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 4:13 pm Post subject:
ian neal wrote:
You will find no argument from me that the MSM is controlled and biased in the interests of the rich and the powerful. The MSM are up to their necks in their complicity of covering up 9/11. But seeing this through a faith/jewish/zionist lens is bs of the highest order that comes very close to breaking this sites absolute rejection of racism/anti-jewish.
It is not a matter of seeing the whole issue through any kind of lens.
It is a matter of seeing an important element of an issue and being forbidden from commenting on it. We need clarity on this issue precisely because of the danger of seeing something that is an element of a problem as something that is the problem.
I trust my instincts as much as you trust yours and I object to what I sense is mind control from whereever it comes.
The anti-racism meme that has been so heavily promoted within our culture for the past two or three decades is not wrong or bad in itself....the thing is, it distorts and actually disassembles what was for centuries our external moral guidance system, the Christian gospels. Our very consciences have been warped by this absurd singular moral focus. In fact Christianity has been all but destroyed by our cultural masters. if you have not sensed this happening ...well, I have. It is the media more than anyone who are responsible for these developements....and while Christianity was being wiped out of our collective memories, atheism and 'the Holocaust religion' have taken their place. And while we have been conditioned to fear the charge of racism or anti-semitism more than any other, the one place where racism has been institutionalised with remarkably little criticism is Israel. We know Israel is being used to create division and war and to, in the age-old fashion, add fuel to the fire that will enable the coming of the NWO.
Are we allowed to criticise Jewish support for the Israeli state?....or is this sentence too loosely structured....just asking?
I am struggling to allow myself to participate in an educational system that has been, likewise, under similarly successful attack over the same time period (and before, no doubt) to the point that it feels as though co-operating in any way with this system is a betrayal of one's own soul.
Yes, the PTB are the rich and powerful of whom some, perhaps many, are Jewish. But this group, caring nothing for ordinary Jewish people, have adopted Zionism to promote their cause and have placed the most powerful individuals of the Jewish community in the front line of their assault on us all. This needs to be said......and the Jewish community themselves need to wake up to the reality that their own elite is creating......because if power is to be torn from the bankers' hands (and this must happen if we are to move towards any sort of acceptable civilisation) then the predominantly Jewish-controlled media will be their first line of attack and defence.
If we begin to win our campaign about 9/11 truth and expose the truth....that the source of our troubles is the money-creation system that holds governments under the power of the international bankers/corporatists......will not life potentially become unjustly dangerous for ordinary Jewish people who are no more responsible for today's appaslling state of affairs than you or I?
Is it really such a good idea not to mention this issue? Should we all not broadcast the truth, however uncomfortable?
If we begin to win our campaign about 9/11 truth and expose the truth....that the source of our troubles is the money-creation system that holds governments under the power of the international bankers/corporatists......will not life potentially become unjustly dangerous for ordinary Jewish people who are no more responsible for today's appaslling state of affairs than you or I?
...Wise words.
You are correct in saying that Christian morals have been eroded and to an extent at least deliberately. IMO the Protocols are a blueprint for control of the world, written not by people who follow any God (or G-d as the Jews are meant to write), but by a group who USE religion as a means to an end.
All religions are riddled with illogic and rely on 'faith' - ie belief without scientific proof. IMO at best they offer a moral compass, show that materialism leads to a barren life etc.
I mean, the Pope as some kind of God's representative on Earth - sez who? Obviously another elite control mechanism IMO.
Really good people - really GODLY people - seek not fame, fortune, or adulation, or even posterity. They just get on with being good. In this Jesus' teaching was spot on. The rich trappings of some organised religions smack of hypocrisy.
People are entitled to their beliefs so long as they don't ram it down other peoples throats, or worse threaten them. But - call me a heretic if you will - I support Richard Dawkins view. 'Belief is the Enemy of Truth'.
KBO: I agree with you on another count - this idea that we see the world through some kind of 'lens' - that we are limited in our view of the world in some way, is, quite frankly, a slur on our intellect. If anything we are trying to remove scales from peoples eyes. Just as 911 truthers try to do.
Getting back to a key issue. That list of media ownership and control - does it stand up? Is this list 'anti-Semetic' spin? Or the truth? Can anyone help here? It seems a crucial litmus test. IMO we should resolve the veracity of it one way or another. Certainly the UK media ownership tallies with who I thought was in charge, where I actually knew. (Grades, Yentob etc.)
Shall I request help from other forums on this issue?
Ian - why is it considered 'antisemitic' to be exposing the control and possibly the crimes of a select group of Ashkenazis, none of whom are Semites?
More illogic.
Illogic is the Enemy of Reason.
Off for my tea now. _________________ Belief is the Enemy of Truth www.dissential.com
karbala .... is not judaism rather a new age witchcraft type of religion
I'm not big on organised religions myself, but let's take care in discussing different religions and spiritual beliefs. One person's new age witchcraft is another person's source of spiritual enlightenment. Some would take the description of their beliefs as witchcraft to be positive but many would not.
The Scientologists in the recent BBC investigation have argued along the same lines.
One cannot clearly define what is a religion. More appropriately a religion is what a group of people argue it is.
The problem with that line of argument is that we end up with no criteria for anything. If everything is art for instance then nothing is.
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