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Article written by Satori, who maintains the Virtual Lancaster website and who attended our Rodrigez event at Lancaster in February:
http://www.lancasterukonline.net/news/news_archive/2007/archive_02_07_ i.html
| Quote: | 9/11: THE LAST MAN OUT
9/02/07: I’m almost afraid of writing about this campaign - since I reported on it before I’ve been accused of supporting anti-semitism, branded a loony – it’s a can of worms all right.
There is a conspiracy theory and then there’s a conspiracy theory about the conspiracy theory – and so it goes on. So let’s just stick to what can be proven, and steer clear of the axe-grinding and the name-calling.
I saw William Rodriguez speak last night at St Martin's College at the invitation of the 9/11 Truth Campaign UK. He was the janitor of the twin towers on 9/11. He talked about events on the day, and every word he said can be corroborated, and I believe him.
I’m not going to repeat it all, except to draw attention to the first person he rescued, Felipe David, the first casualty out of the towers on 9/11. Felipe suffered 30% burns in a major explosion, in the basement. He managed to climb to a higher level to find people were still reeling from the force of the explosion beneath, when they then heard a second explosion happen high above – as the first plane hit the building. It was only when his rescuer, William Rodriguez, had carried him up to ground level and out of the building that they found out about the plane. Prior to that they guessed that a main generator had exploded in the basement.
Rodriguez speaks passionately about survivors and the victims’ families being continuously exploited for anti-democratic ends which they publicly and consistently objected to – not only the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, but also the wholesale abolition of hard won civil liberties that has taken place in the US and the UK.
He does not attribute blame but he speaks articulately and specifically about survivors’ testimony being repeatedly suppressed and excluded from the 9/11 commission report – the commission that only came about because they strenuously campaigned for it.
And he is passionately angry about the fact that the Federal Aviation Authority erased the tape recording of radio transmissions from the flight that allegedly hit the Pentagon and then de-materialised, before it was made available to any investigation or enquiry, on the pretext that hearing it would only cause pain to the victim’s relatives.
“This was an illegal suppression of evidence that was never punished or even investigated. If you lose someone close to you, do not let anyone ever tell you that you don’t have any right to know, or to try to find out, how it happened.”
There’s a lot more – too much to cover here.
I have not heard a word of anti-semitism at either of the two meetings I’ve been to, which involved films and speakers (I’ve heard elsewhere of a conspiracy to blame it all on Zionists, apparently because of a film called Loose Change, which I haven’t seen, made by two US teenagers who have since concluded that they made some errors, and another to blame it on apocalypse-seeking Christian far-right fundamentalists but I’ve only heard about them from people who are opposed to those alleged conspiracies, so I really don’t want to get into all that. Let’s face it, I also heard the Bush administration blame it on a bunch of named ‘Islamic terrorists’ who mostly turned out to be alive and innocent.).
The only person in this campaign that I have heard actually attribute blame is David Shaylor, the ex-MI5 whistleblower, who points to long-standing links between the CIA and Al-Quaida (originally CIA-funded) and tells us what we already know, that the US needs a lot of oil, more per capita than any other nation; that as global oil supplies dwindle it would be unthinkable for the US to find itself without oil while potentially competing powers (such as Iran) still had significant reserves – and equally unthinkable for the people of the US to adapt to alternative forms of energy / lifestyle in the available timespan if there was any way to avoid it; that a clique of oil industry hawks in the Bush administration had for years been openly advocating military intervention in Afghanistan, Iraq and Iran to secure the world’s major oil reserves for the US. (They hadn’t forseen that doing so would bring about a coalition of opposition and that this would become in due course potentially the most appallingly costly and self-destructive mission the US would ever attempt). They had referred explicitly to the need for a ‘Pearl Harbour’ event to overcome opposition to war.
9/11 instantly became that Pearl Harbour.
See www.911truthcampaign.net. |
For those who have not yet seen William speak or wish to meet him there is another opportunity in the following weeks.
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Pikey
When you saw WR what was the state of his health, did he look ill, did he have difficulty breathing, was he using inhalers?
He says that he went back to ground zero the next day to help with the rescue effort, his lungs must be in very poor shape breathing in all that toxic dust. |
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| Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 6:24 pm Post subject: Re: Rodriguez "I believe him" |
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| Pikey wrote: | Article written by Satori, who maintains the Virtual Lancaster website and who attended our Rodrigez event at Lancaster in February:
http://www.lancasterukonline.net/news/news_archive/2007/archive_02_07_ i.html
| Quote: | 9/11: THE LAST MAN OUT
9/02/07: I’m almost afraid of writing about this campaign - since I reported on it before I’ve been accused of supporting anti-semitism, branded a loony – it’s a can of worms all right.
There is a conspiracy theory and then there’s a conspiracy theory about the conspiracy theory – and so it goes on. So let’s just stick to what can be proven, and steer clear of the axe-grinding and the name-calling.
I saw William Rodriguez speak last night at St Martin's College at the invitation of the 9/11 Truth Campaign UK. He was the janitor of the twin towers on 9/11. He talked about events on the day, and every word he said can be corroborated, and I believe him.
I’m not going to repeat it all, except to draw attention to the first person he rescued, Felipe David, the first casualty out of the towers on 9/11. Felipe suffered 30% burns in a major explosion, in the basement. He managed to climb to a higher level to find people were still reeling from the force of the explosion beneath, when they then heard a second explosion happen high above – as the first plane hit the building. It was only when his rescuer, William Rodriguez, had carried him up to ground level and out of the building that they found out about the plane. Prior to that they guessed that a main generator had exploded in the basement.
Rodriguez speaks passionately about survivors and the victims’ families being continuously exploited for anti-democratic ends which they publicly and consistently objected to – not only the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, but also the wholesale abolition of hard won civil liberties that has taken place in the US and the UK.
He does not attribute blame but he speaks articulately and specifically about survivors’ testimony being repeatedly suppressed and excluded from the 9/11 commission report – the commission that only came about because they strenuously campaigned for it.
And he is passionately angry about the fact that the Federal Aviation Authority erased the tape recording of radio transmissions from the flight that allegedly hit the Pentagon and then de-materialised, before it was made available to any investigation or enquiry, on the pretext that hearing it would only cause pain to the victim’s relatives.
“This was an illegal suppression of evidence that was never punished or even investigated. If you lose someone close to you, do not let anyone ever tell you that you don’t have any right to know, or to try to find out, how it happened.”
There’s a lot more – too much to cover here.
I have not heard a word of anti-semitism at either of the two meetings I’ve been to, which involved films and speakers (I’ve heard elsewhere of a conspiracy to blame it all on Zionists, apparently because of a film called Loose Change, which I haven’t seen, made by two US teenagers who have since concluded that they made some errors, and another to blame it on apocalypse-seeking Christian far-right fundamentalists but I’ve only heard about them from people who are opposed to those alleged conspiracies, so I really don’t want to get into all that. Let’s face it, I also heard the Bush administration blame it on a bunch of named ‘Islamic terrorists’ who mostly turned out to be alive and innocent.).
The only person in this campaign that I have heard actually attribute blame is David Shaylor, the ex-MI5 whistleblower, who points to long-standing links between the CIA and Al-Quaida (originally CIA-funded) and tells us what we already know, that the US needs a lot of oil, more per capita than any other nation; that as global oil supplies dwindle it would be unthinkable for the US to find itself without oil while potentially competing powers (such as Iran) still had significant reserves – and equally unthinkable for the people of the US to adapt to alternative forms of energy / lifestyle in the available timespan if there was any way to avoid it; that a clique of oil industry hawks in the Bush administration had for years been openly advocating military intervention in Afghanistan, Iraq and Iran to secure the world’s major oil reserves for the US. (They hadn’t forseen that doing so would bring about a coalition of opposition and that this would become in due course potentially the most appallingly costly and self-destructive mission the US would ever attempt). They had referred explicitly to the need for a ‘Pearl Harbour’ event to overcome opposition to war.
9/11 instantly became that Pearl Harbour.
See www.911truthcampaign.net. |
For those who have not yet seen William speak or wish to meet him there is another opportunity in the following weeks. |
Nice one Satori. Nothing like some balanced press
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plane son on 911,
How`re you doing?
Seem to recall having a nice chat on this forum with you about this (you were posting under a different name at the time).
Still dedicating all your efforts into proving Rodriguez wrong eh?
Good work, people like you are the real salt of the earth campaigners who will bring the criminals to justice.....NOT.
You could at LEAST try to change your posting style as well as your name!
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| Snowygrouch wrote: | plane son on 911,
How`re you doing?
Seem to recall having a nice chat on this forum with you about this (you were posting under a different name at the time).
Still dedicating all your efforts into proving Rodriguez wrong eh?
Good work, people like you are the real salt of the earth campaigners who will bring the criminals to justice.....NOT.
You could at LEAST try to change your posting style as well as your name!
C. |
Well at least we are slowly conditioning him not to swear  
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Strange how so many of you have seen Willie Rodriguez but not can comment on his health.
I can only assume he must of been in very good health, unlike the other ground zero workers who are very sick or dead.
Maybe he held his breath for 2 days. |
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| Maybe you need kicking into the sewer. You should not be posting your filthy views outside of "Critic's Corner". |
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Well if you knew anything about respiratory disease caused by breathing in nonsense; you would know that it can take 10 years to develop these conditions. Coal miners and asbestos workers in years gone by went a long time before they became I`ll.
If thats all you`ve got to go on.....better go back to the day job.
C.
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| Snowygrouch wrote: | Well if you knew anything about respiratory disease caused by breathing in nonsense; you would know that it can take 10 years to develop these conditions. Coal miners and asbestos workers in years gone by went a long time before they became I`ll.
If thats all you`ve got to go on.....better go back to the day job.
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Haven't you noticed the common denominator yet C?
Pig-ignorance is the "researchers" greatest strength.
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YAWN.
Plane son is becoming increasingly repetitive and dull.
Every time anyone on this forum has posted anything about Rodriguez, up s/he pops like a jack-in-the-box, asking the same question over and over again. "What about his health?"
Well this question has been answered elsewhere, to a degree. However, I'm sure nobody would like to have their intimate health details discussed all over a public forum?
The best solution, plane son, is to come to a meeting and ask William yourself.
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Mr plane. change the record mate. your really quite boring. you really fit into the mould of a no planer very well. you have absolutely no sense of reason. ANNIE DOES NOT KNOW ALOT ABOUT HIS HEALTH ASK HIM YOURSELF. also i think he's done a really good job putting out all that dis info that has made thousands of people think that 9/11 was an inside job through his talks and appearance in loose change etc. If he is a disinfo agent he's doing a rubbish job dont you think?
DOCTOR SPIDEY HAS A SOLUTION FOR YOU
turn off the PC take a dep breath. go outside and look around. I promise its not all a holgram although Doreen from number 13 has got a big H on her head. go and speak to some other humans and dont come back to the forum until you have been on a date. with a girl.
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