Provoking Iran - Salman Rushdie's gong

[SHERITON HOTEL]

This stinks of Cambell/Mandleson! clear provocation to Iran, what else could it be? services to literature? pah!

[kbo234]

Well, without jumping to this conclusion, it is certainly at the very least a puzzle.

Has anyone ever tried to read a Salman Rushdie book? I found "Midnight's Children" utterly unreadable.
The whole project "The Satanic Verses" was quite vile.....almost unbelievably offensive to conventional tastes and obviously deeply offensive to Muslims. It is quite possible to be critical of a religion and its ideas without violating sensibilities and dignity to the degree that Rushdie did......

......rather like the 'Gilbert and George' works of 'Art' that have explored Christian themes and symbolism by their producing pieces created from their own excrement......it is clear that the likes of Saatchi, his acolytes and all the other voices of 'high culture' in the mainstream media promote precisely this kind of degenerate rubbish.

Modern 'Art', like its directly commercial cousin 'the advert', is a pretty undisguised attack on the subconscious of the entire community. The fact that so many people are aware that they are being worked on does not necessarily make this attack much less effective.

[karlos]

I think it is a bloody disgrace.

If he had stuck to making us eat fresh cream cakes 'naughty but nice' and eating aero 'irresistabubble' that would have been ok.

[xmasdale]

[Disco_Destroyer]

Spot on Noel! It is a stone for two birds and unfortunately designed to excite both parties Gotter hand it too them they're devious and clever fuc_ers and undoubtedly they've hung on to this plan for the right moment!
On a slant now I went to see that Taking Liberties film (just back) and I urge all to see it support it and try to get others to see it!
On the downside I was collared on the way out by two guys and we had a brief but interesting chat, they were quick to point out that much of the content (New Laws) were taking place long before Blair took office. Which of course I and probably most of us agree with, therefore showing cross-party agendas. I actually stated that and that its basically a case of being run by the bigger Mafia! Now for the bad bit, I continued and offered some deception dollars which they were greatful for (and knew of the websites) so I preceeded to offer a new DVD to which the reply was is that one of those conpiracy theories!!
Now WTF wait a minute here we've been discussing conspiracy to disenfranchise the UK public across both sides of the political illusion (spectrum) and suddenly woh 9/11 is too much?? The mind boggles to the inner workings of some people it really does as you may be able to tell that has somewhat annoyed me tonight

[karlos]

[kbo234]

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[rodin]

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[xmasdale]

[xmasdale]

Another movie worth leafletting, though I haven't seen it yet, should be John Pilger's War on Democracy, though according to his website it's only being screened at three places in London and one in Manchester

http://www.johnpilger.com/

[xmasdale]

[Zabooka]

Here is the issue I see. Salman Rushdie, who is supposed to have been brought up Muslim, knows less about Islam than Richard Dawkins.

The way Richard Dawkins attacks Islam compared to how Salman Rushdie attacks Islam... is interesting, do you not think?

So when someone says, here is a guy who was a Muslim, or brought up Muslim. I say... really? I show them, here is a guy that was never Muslim and never brought up Muslim (Dawkins), yet I could learn a lot more about Islam from him than Rushdie.

Also... Rusdie would have not sold as much and become as famous or infamous, if it were not for the reaction of some Muslims. I do not completely endorse their reactions. Thats not my particular style.

Then you have Dawkins, who is selling much better, writes a lot better and so forth, without death threats. Instead he is invited to debates and discussions.

Its just interesting to compare the two. Makes Rushdie look so much more pathetic even by standards of his close peers one imagines.

I still hold true to my belief and principle when I was atheist. If your religion is true, then why fear attacks? You should welcome them and have certainty that they will not be able to defeat your religion.

And this is how I am now with regards to my belief in Islam. I would not have been amongst those burning books and calling for the death of Rushdie. I would possibly do what Ahmed Deedat perhaps wanted to do at the time, which was to do a live televised debate, which he has done throughout his life with many people.

I still see a small sign of insecurity in people who lose it when something strikes them. Even if they are doing it because of sincere devoted true love of their faith. I want to have that sincere devoted true love of my faith too, I believe its healthy. However its unhealthy when its not in moderation or in balance with the rest of reality, within oneself and outside of yourself. For instance, yes your in love, but what good is that to someone who is not in love? You have to drop your emotional level and get to the common ground level of intellectual discourse.

Atheists too I feel also go to that extreme (some of them at times), for many have it based on as much an emotional basis as an intellectual basis. This is a human nature, a human problem. Unfortunately too many people do not know how to communicate and understand communication, on ALL SIDES! You want to express your emotions and feelings yes, but you need to understand your intellect and use that first, then you use that to understand the other person's thoughts, feelings. We are taught, that communication is about the reaction you get. Too many people are heedless of the reaction they get, they just demand a narrow reaction, when that doesn't happen they just give up. Thats the listening part, we take for granted, but do not pay enough attention to.

Though I do not want to get into that debate here. I hope I have addressed this thread and its posters fairly.

man I write too much... haha.

[xmasdale]

[TonyGosling]

What an AMAZING guy! A prophet! He was into hating Muslims ten years before Dodi Al Fayed was murdered and fifteen years before 9/11! - BTW One of the PC brigade's ever quoted 'expert' morons who pontificates on all the big subjects of the world while continuing to look and act like a total creep.

Pakistan deplores British knighthood for Rushdie
Mon Jun 18, 2007 8:19AM EDT
http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSISL10164220070618?sp=true

ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - Pakistan deplored on Monday Britain's decision to award a knighthood to author Salman Rushdie, whose novel "The Satanic Verses" outraged many Muslims around the world

Rushdie was awarded a knighthood for services to literature in Queen Elizabeth's birthday honors list published on Saturday.

Iran accused Britain on Sunday of insulting Islamic values by knighting Rushdie.

In Pakistan, students affiliated with a religious party protested in two towns while Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Tasnim Aslam said the decision to honor Rushdie was insensitive to the sentiments of Muslims.

"We deplore the decision of the British government to knight him. This, we feel, is insensitive and we would convey our sentiments to the British government," Aslam told a regular briefing.

"Salman Rushdie has tried to insult and malign Muslims through his writings and this had provoked very strong reaction and sentiments in the Muslim world," she said.

Rushdie's book prompted protests, some violent, by Muslims in many countries after it was published in 1988. The late Iranian Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini issued a fatwa death warrant against Rushdie in 1989, forcing him into hiding for nine years.

Earlier on Monday, Pakistan's parliament adopted a resolution condemning the knighthood and said Britain should withdraw it.

"This is a source of hurt for Muslims and will encourage people to commit blasphemy against the Prophet Mohammad," Minister for Parliamentary Affairs Sher Afgan Khan Niazi told parliament.

"We demand Britain desist from such actions and withdraw the title of knighthood," he said.

Farhana Khalid Binori, a Pakistani woman member of parliament from a conservative religious party, said Rushdie's knighthood was an insult.

"It is a slap on the face of Muslims. It is not acceptable at all," she said.

British's twice-yearly honors ritual -- designed to recognize outstanding achievement -- is part of an ancient and complex awards system. A total of 946 honors were handed out in the birthday list, including 21 knighthoods.

[Zabooka]

grrr... Forum Traffic Probs made me get impatient and click a few times, meaning I have double posted.

And thank you kindly for your post xmasdale, Im glad you feel so about my posts

[Zabooka]

http://www.jamaat.net/rushdie/Rushdie.html

[Disco_Destroyer]

Yes I guess spreading 9/11 at the screenings would be OK, you'd have to be a good conversationalist though as once I produced the DVD I found it very hard to continue as they blanked me but yea sure many people would probably appreciate the time and effort. there was only around 30 people at the Sunday showing though, but with no publicity what does one expect?

[Disco_Destroyer]

[karlos]

As George Galloway said on his show thie was a Tony Blair nominee designed as a deliberate 2 fingered jesture to all the muslims here and abroad.

In the same way last year Tony Blair gave a knighthood to Stelios Haji-Ioannou which was seen as a deliberate provocation to all the environmentalists.
Who i must say quite rightly staged a sit in at Mr Ioannou's offices in Inverness street, Camden NW1.

Salman Rushdee has caused more anger and bad feeling across the world than any writing since Mein Kampe and has only recently been usurped by Jerry Springer the Opera.

Tony Blair knows exactly what game he is playing and i just hope that muslims direct their anger at Tony Blair who is the organ grinder rather than Salmon Rushdee who is indeed the monkey.
What is shocking is at the last election many muslim self haters still voted Labour. Labour in 1997 declared war against all muslims.
For goodness sake if any muslim is reading this take the boulder out of your eyes. Labour is politics of hate, politics of envy, politics of divide and rule. Do not accept it. Tony Blair is a war criminal and needs to be brought to the war crimes court in the Hague.
Every muslim should direct their attention to that aim.

[physicist]

[Disco_Destroyer]

This situation would be no different under Conservatives! The agenda is pre-arranged and handed down on a plate. This all started way before Blair and to my mind started quite possibly with an assassination in 1914 or even more likely pre-dates Christ. Christ being the 1st documented guy to try and do something about the situation!!