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So the 9/11 British Truth Movement is LIHOP now?

 
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 1:45 pm    Post subject: So the 9/11 British Truth Movement is LIHOP now? Reply with quote

A bloke called Callum (Snowy Grouch) was heard 'lying for truth' on James Whale.

Why? Does he realise the damage this can do??

How many more of you are gonna jump headfirst into the 'lying for truth' trap?

Just wondered.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Snowygrouch was heard taking an agnostic position on 9/11, also stating the probablity was high that the towers were deliberatley destroyed.

The "damage" he caused? Getting people who had never considered questioning 9/11 along to a succesful event which outlined the strong evidence for the twin towers and pentagon incidents being false.

Not damage at all, a massive gain for us.

Why don't you get back to "9/11 researchers" to salivate over the latest progadanda mind control videos which are designed to destory our movement?

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Snowygrouch was heard taking an agnostic position on 9/11, also stating the probablity was high that the towers were deliberatley destroyed.


Which is a contradiction in terms, call it 'doublespeak', confuse the listeners, shilly shally around with a so called 'agnostic' (haha) position.

The probability was high? It is a fact that they were deliberately destroyed, it is not just "highly probable". For him to say things like LIHOP was "the most likely scenario" is what will help destroy this movement.

LIHOP, indeed. And saying it on PRIME TIME RADIO!

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 2:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Stefan wrote:
Snowygrouch was heard taking an agnostic position on 9/11, also stating the probablity was high that the towers were deliberatley destroyed.


Which is a contradiction in terms, call it 'doublespeak', confuse the listeners, shilly shally around with a so called 'agnostic' (haha) position.

The probability was high? It is a fact that they were deliberately destroyed, it is not just "highly probable". For him to say things like LIHOP was "the most likely scenario" is what will help destroy this movement.

LIHOP, indeed. And saying it on PRIME TIME RADIO!

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You've a long way to go in the grown up world outside of the"researchers" cult.

The difference between making supportable and unsupportable claims in public being your first hurdle.

Still, it's possible you believe logging onto the "researchers" forum IS the public.

But they aren't.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 2:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If Snowy Grouch did say, as has been alleged, that he found LIHOP with controlled demolition was a likely explanation of the facts, I find that confusing and in need of further clarification, because to me, controlled demolition implies there must have been someone on the inside planting the explosives and that implies MIHOP.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Lyceum wrote:
Stefan wrote:
Snowygrouch was heard taking an agnostic position on 9/11, also stating the probablity was high that the towers were deliberatley destroyed.


Which is a contradiction in terms, call it 'doublespeak', confuse the listeners, shilly shally around with a so called 'agnostic' (haha) position.

The probability was high? It is a fact that they were deliberately destroyed, it is not just "highly probable". For him to say things like LIHOP was "the most likely scenario" is what will help destroy this movement.

LIHOP, indeed. And saying it on PRIME TIME RADIO!

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You've a long way to go in the grown up world outside of the"researchers" cult.

The difference between making supportable and unsupportable claims in public being your first hurdle.

Still, it's possible you believe logging onto the "researchers" forum IS the public.

But they aren't.


You are a fool. You are a fool with an ego the size of wtc7 'before the perps LIHOP'. Your foolishness coupled with your ego will be your downfall. It is destroying you, chek. If you are genuine, that is.

So, you also agree that 'lying for truth' is the way forward. Is it really what you believe? If you are genuine, chek, (and I, personally, have my doubts about you) but if you truly are a 'genuine' truthseeker, and by agreeing that tip-toeing around the general public and treating them like subhumans who are unable to take in the truth in one gulp, then I pity your 'better than thou' attitude. Lie first, give 'em time for it to sink in and then tell them the truth afterwards. Right?

"We are the British 9/11 Truth Movement. Welcome to the truth, pop pickers. We cannot give you the total truth immediately, it may upset you, you are not built for it all in one full measure, but it is on order".

How egocentric and condescending an attitude is that?


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This whole LIH0P bs is akin to a couple of policeman arriving at some poor person's door to tell them that their entire family have been wiped out in a motorway crash, but instead of telling them that, they say that only ONE member has been killed and the rest may be okay. They say this because they 'feel' the poor person will not be able to handle the fact that their entire family have had their lives snuffed out. They, in their strange little way feel they are only 'preparing' the poor person for the full extent of the tragedy

What happens next? The WHOLE truth comes out and, in the long run, the policemen will be cast as 'untrustworthy' and 'prolonging the agony'.

These tactics will backfire on the movement.

It is called 'lying for truth'. Snowy Grouch lied when asked by James Whale if the most likely scenario was LIHOP. He said "yes", he lied to the listeners. He lied to himself.

The 9/11 British Truth Movement are lying. This could so easily be used against us. Stop playing silly little games and hindering our progress by confusing the general public.

Stop it. Now.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lyceum

Your style is one of the disruptor and you are a new poster. Where I come from 2 + 2 make 4.

Of course 911 was MIHOP. By the elite 'chosen ones'.

Snowy's his rationale for what he did was reasonable - if you had bothered to read it on the previous thread on his Whale show appearance. He knows MIHOP and so do all seasoned examiners of 911.

What's more, he has contributed to some great research and give talks and presentations. What are YOU doing to spread the truth?

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Snowy's his rationale for what he did was reasonable - if you had bothered to read it on the previous thread on his Whale show appearance. He knows MIHOP and so do all seasoned examiners of 911.



Hello? I am sorry but show me the 'rationale' of someone who believes that it was MIHOP and then sits in front of a microphone on live radio talking about 'controlled demolitions' and then saying, "LIHOP was the most likely case scenario". That could so easily suggest the 'hijackers' not only flew planes into buildings but also planted the explosives!

Show me that 'rationale', rodin. Just show me it!
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Your style is one of the disruptor and you are a new poster.


Everybody lie down on the floor and keep calm...

There must be no disruption of the Truth...


KLF, 1987, The White Room.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lyceum

it is extremely tedious to keep explaining the fundamentals of the campaign to anonymous people who if they had done an absolute minimum of research would know that what you are claiming is untrue.

The campaign does NOT endorse any one position, theory or speaker/campaigner

It therefore follows that Callum does not speak on behalf of the campaign any more than you do and no where does he claim otherwise. You think you can do a better job, then phone up Talksport and tell them ytour truth. Simple really

There is already a thread to discuss Callum's appearance on Talksport, use that instead of starting new threads
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Snowygrouch has already clearly explained his position after being trolled over this last week. He hardly needs to explain himself again to a new (newly re-incarnated?) troll today

Here it is again for those who missed it:

http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?p=74977&highlight=#749 77

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Dear All,
Due to various B**S***T comments by pretty much one guy I have decided to clarify the issue....

1: I am advertising a talk in which an engineer will be discussing why the Towers must have been demolished.

2: This makes it PRETTY OBVIOUS what the theme is going to be.....re LIHOP or MIHOP.

3: LIHOP and MIHOP are both ridiculous descriptions of 9/11 since as soon as you include WTC7 you have active involvement -hence MIHOP-. the LIHOP position IS MIHOP....the two are the same thing with minor arguments about if you include the towers being blown up and shooting down F93 and Anthrax etc....

4: When you are on LIVE NATIONAL RADIO over the phone you have ONE SECOND to react to questions being fired at you. Now....either I say "yes CIA did it all" and then get asked about 10 more questions I cannot possibly answer accurately......OR I make a comment that keeps things air tight and still gives us the mandate for a new enquiry with complicity....

5: If I am on national radio with 1million + listeners and perhaps 4 minuites to make a point quite frankly YES I AM going to say that

QUOTE "at the very least"....the most likley scenario is that the CIA knew all along and gave a helping hand.

It was the right move; end of story.

END OF STORY.


As far as I'm concerned, anyone stupid enough to label the whole uk truth campaigns postion based on what a very well respected member of our community said in 60 seconds of air time, and/or to attack that member based on that brief time slot, is on the fast track out of here. All across the internet, the message is becomming clearer and clearer that enough is enough with the behaviour of a small clique of fanatics who do anything but address the evidence

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You are a fool. You are a fool with an ego the size of wtc7 'before the perps LIHOP'. Your foolishness coupled with your ego will be your downfall. It is destroying you, chek. If you are genuine, that is.


Your concern is touching but nevertheless, repellant.
Please keep it to yourself.

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So, you also agree that 'lying for truth' is the way forward. Is it really what you believe? If you are genuine, chek, (and I, personally, have my doubts about you)


Oh I think there's many who have no doubts at all about your current carbon copy incarnation TC. Your compadre's freudian 'Truth Criminal' slip still makes me grin, even after all this time.

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but if you truly are a 'genuine' truthseeker, and by agreeing that tip-toeing around the general public and treating them like subhumans who are unable to take in the truth in one gulp, then I pity your 'better than thou' attitude. Lie first, give 'em time for it to sink in and then tell them the truth afterwards. Right?


Wrong, but you'll have to develop an ability to see things in other than monochrome for any answer to be meaningful. I can't see it happening, personally. Maybe in another lifetime (or 'incarnation') tee hee.

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"We are the British 9/11 Truth Movement. Welcome to the truth, pop pickers. We cannot give you the total truth immediately, it may upset you, you are not built for it all in one full measure, but it is on order".

How egocentric and condescending an attitude is that?


Very - but then that's only your fantasy speech.

Snowygrouch successfully publicised an important public meeting that layed out compelling facts (not pie-in-the-sky, opinion-driven lard like NPT) that contradict the OCT. That was why he was on the show.
It was never intended to be the invasion of Poland.

Meanwhile instead of attacking and disparaging people who actually achieve something and research actual rock-solid evidence, why not try doing something that furthers the campaign?

I'm sure we'd all look forward to how many nanoseconds of airtime you could earn yourself using all your vital, indisputable ideas about evidence and your winning ways with explaining them.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Oh I think there's many who have no doubts at all about your current carbon copy incarnation TC. Your compadre's freudian 'Truth Criminal' slip still makes me grin, even after all this time.


Doesn't that make 3 main IP addresses in that case that should register in the PHPBB history ?!

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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chek wrote:

Oh I think there's many who have no doubts at all about your current carbon copy incarnation TC. Your compadre's freudian 'Truth Criminal' slip still makes me grin, even after all this time.


Doesn't that make 3 main IP addresses in that case that should register in the PHPBB history ?!


Not necessarily.

Widespread use of dynamic IP addressing by ISPs, not assuming use of the same computer, and then admin being arsed to dig out server logs from previous months all conspire against a positive ID using IP.

For me, it's TC's radiant, constructive charm that's the giveaway.

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