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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 6:54 pm    Post subject: Collapse of steel tower atop WTC 1 Reply with quote

Someone pointed out to me the other day that that cathedral like spire of the WTC 1 core that shortly stood after the tower collapsed just turned to dust and then fell, anyone know anything about this? I've reviewed this several times now and it does look like it just vapourised.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I've seen it hundreds of times and I still have NO idea why people say it disintegrates; the "spire" shifts its body width to the right and slightly down, and then falls vertically. Perfectly consistant with being cut at an angle.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 7:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Steel turning to dust? Reply with quote

SHERITON HOTEL wrote:
Someone pointed out to me the other day that that cathedral like spire of the WTC 1 core that shortly stood after the tower collapsed just turned to dust and then fell, anyone know anything about this? I've reviewed this several times now and it does look like it just vapourised.


It remains one of the strangest 911 events for me too.

I'd estimate it to be between 4-500 ft high, yet it appears to drop into a hole in the ground with absolutely no structural integrity at all, leaving those wisps behind. Of course that's dismissed as merely displaced dust by the more literal minded, but I'm not totally convinced.

It's one of the reasons I'm reluctant to completely dismiss the clean fusion mini nuke suggestion, but David Hawk's floating of the rocket fuel bomb theory that vapourised most of the Shanksville plane led me to research that the lower end of the by-chemical-means-alone temperature envelope may be enough to have had the same effect.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

agreed Stefan, the column falls vertically downwards. Also with the resolution of the video along with smoke, the spire 'vapourising' is more of an illusion.

It is however an important clue as to the controlled demolition nature of the collapse, as you say, it shifts then falls vertically... it did not topple over.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I don't knwo if I have different eyes in my head to other people. The first time I saw that and every time since my thought was:

"it drops veritically; - it can't drop vertically into the bedrock; that means it was cut someone not far above ground level."

I truly and honestly have never seen the supposed "evaporation", even when people tell me to watch it again with evaporation on my mind- I still see it fall.

So is there something wrong with me? Or am I right and the explanation which fits all the other evidence (the core columns were cut with charges) the right one?

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Thanks Bongo, I sometimes feel like I must be mad when everyone else starts talking about evaporation... why is it *I* see it clearly shifting and dropping just like it was cut at an angle??? Glad it's not just me...

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always thought it fell toward, or away from the camera, so it appeared to be going straight down. Wouldn't rule it out though.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Chek,
I don't knwo if I have different eyes in my head to other people. The first time I saw that and every time since my thought was:

"it drops veritically; - it can't drop vertically into the bedrock; that means it was cut someone not far above ground level."

I truly and honestly have never seen the supposed "evaporation", even when people tell me to watch it again with evaporation on my mind- I still see it fall.

So is there something wrong with me? Or am I right and the explanation which fits all the other evidence (the core columns were cut with charges) the right one?

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Thanks Bongo, I sometimes feel like I must be mad when everyone else starts talking about evaporation... why is it *I* see it clearly shifting and dropping just like it was cut at an angle??? Glad it's not just me...


I certainly don't dismiss the most likely explanations Stefan, and I accept there may well be an element of illusion introduced by the limitations of the video itself (although I've also seen higher res stills).

But regardless, I haven't had that 'of course!' penny-dropping moment when hearing any of the more obvious explanations.
Neither is it something that I have solid enough information to make a case around.

It just seems, to me at least ...odd.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Was there ever an audit of the steel and aluminium salvaged from the WTC? Did the Chinese keep the receipts?
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SHERITON HOTEL wrote:
Was there ever an audit of the steel and aluminium salvaged from the WTC? Did the Chinese keep the receipts?


I recall that the trucking firm that handled shipments of the steel off-site had its vehicles kitted out with satellite location gear, and that some drivers were sacked for taking too long between waypoints even with innocent explanations.

The official reason was said to be to prevent 'souvenir hunters' getting their hands on the steel.

Bureaucracies being what they are, somewhere there must be a list of shipments, drivers wages, shipping invoices etc. etc.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you want to read all about the steel turning to dust, search for plaguepuppy or check out http://janedoe0911.tripod.com for Professor Judy Wood's analysis of it.

http://www.livevideo.com/video/bsregistration/5C356C85FB844741BAA7D32C 892F98AD/star-wars-in-new-york-911-octopus-part-two.aspx
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 10:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you slow down and watch that view frame by frame, it is perfectly clear that the steel in the "spire" doesnt just drop down, but pulverises, turns to dust.
This imitates the way hundreds of bodies, flesh and bone, just vaporised, not mysteriously just shredded into small tissue samples, but completely gone
Much weaker structures than the concrete and steel of course

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 10:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't see it dh, I see it dropping vertically into a thick cloud of pulverised concrete, gypsum and asbestos. Sorry.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 11:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fred wrote:
If you want to read all about the steel turning to dust, search for plaguepuppy or check out http://janedoe0911.tripod.com for Professor Judy Wood's analysis of it.

http://www.livevideo.com/video/bsregistration/5C356C85FB844741BAA7D32C 892F98AD/star-wars-in-new-york-911-octopus-part-two.aspx


That's a highly controversial (and to my mind) faulty interpretation of what happened to these steel columns. The give-away is the fact that the 'spire' starts to fall BEFORE disappearing. If it had not done that but had just turned into smoke, then Wood's claim that the steel vaporized would be more credible. But the fact that it starts to slip down FIRST means that the more plausible and economic explanation is that it merely disappeared behind the cloud of fine dust dislodged into the air by its dropping.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 7:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

chek wrote:
Bureaucracies being what they are, somewhere there must be a list of shipments, drivers wages, shipping invoices etc. etc.


Its possibly but I personally wouldn't bet on it!

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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2007 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Confused Who keeps editing my thread titles? I wrote ''?steel turning to dust?'
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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2007 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't think steel COULD turn to dust! Wink
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 7:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

scubadiver wrote:
I didn't think steel COULD turn to dust! Wink


Hmmm-well, we all know that under certain circumstances it can, although I don't think this is really what you meant.

http://neil.fraser.name/news/2004/05/22/

So, steel can turn to dust - under the right circumstances...

How about being turned to dust by advanced black techonolgy that has been kept secret?

The fact is, it DID turn to dust and this is now clearly documented. So, someone has to explain it. And quite a few anonymous troll posts appear whenever the issue is discussed - especially by Ensign Chekov of the Emerald Isle.

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SHERITON HOTEL wrote:
Confused Who keeps editing my thread titles? I wrote ''?steel turning to dust?'


Tony Gosling likes editing thread titles - even though we suggested he not do it.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 9:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andrew Johnson wrote:

http://neil.fraser.name/news/2004/05/22/

So, steel can turn to dust - under the right circumstances...

How about being turned to dust by advanced black techonolgy that has been kept secret?


How about, with equal certitude, it was the tooth fairy?

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The fact is, it DID turn to dust and this is now clearly documented. So, someone has to explain it.


'Fact' Andrew?
Has the definition of the word been reworked over the weekend while I wasn't paying attention? I might agree it appears to, but neither can you, with any conviction, state it as a fact. Your 'belief' would be fine with me.

Andrew Johnson wrote:
And quite a few anonymous troll posts appear whenever the issue is discussed - especially by Ensign Chekov of the Emerald Isle.


You seem fascinated by the fact that I use my initials as my internet handle Andrew - as does where I live. Although what that has to do with any aspect of 911 eludes me, other than that I recognise that 911 is a symptom of a rotten worldwide political elite that affects us all.

While the science fiction explanations for what happened on 911 are no doubt great fun - and I'm an SF fan myself - I believe certain excitable people are far too ready to accept them, probably before exhausting more likely reasons.

Or I could be interfering with your brave expose of Secret Black Tech.
Bwah hah hah hah, as they say.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Overwhelming Implausibility of Using Directed Energy Beams to Demolish the World Trade Center

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http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200702/Implausibility-Direct ed-Energy-Beam-Demolish-WTC-by-Gregory-Jenkins.pdf
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 1:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Watch Explosive Reality and you will clearly see this spire falling away from numerous camera angles and NOT turning to dust. Anyone who says so is lying, whether knwoingly or unknowingly, but don't let that get in the way of your beliefs.
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