What does it take to wake people up? The sleeping masses are still engrossed in the usual distractions, despite the magnitude of the contrived collapse of the global financial and property markets.
Perhaps it is only when millions of people, particularly the elderly and young children, start dying as a result of the coming Pandemic, (possibly triggered by a 'flu vaccine'), that the human slaves start to realise that they are being culled.
Thousands of people have had unexplained coughs for weeks ... just look skywards on any clear day to see the likely cause.
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 11:05 pm Post subject:
Well Tony to that I say I agree, all I see conclusively is spraying
Therefore, as the public we are entitled to ask who is doing this, and why, and gets answers from our government
I'm not eager to bring up the topic of Chemtrails for the fun of it, but my eyes looking at this footage do see something that should be explained: and on that basis it is equal to all the footage of 9/11 I have ever seen _________________ Free your Self and Free the World
Joined: 18 Apr 2006 Posts: 1158 Location: South Essex
Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 7:30 pm Post subject:
Yes it's a difficult one to prove beyond doubt isn't it.I mean you can put up all the video's,pics and links up you like,but without someone actually going up and taking samples then having them analysed by a trusted lab,it's only to be expected that this is just a naturally occuring phenomenon by most people.
I have seen supposed evidence included in military files pertaining to the use of weather manipulation through the use of chemical aerosol spraying,to load cloud with materials
to either cause rainfall or drought.I have little doubt that (what with everthing else
going on in the global arena) these trails have nothing to do with saving humanity,quite the
reverse, and are part of the global agenda 'order from chaos' on the weather front.
I think this is why TV is bombarded with extreme weather programmes that will lead the
viewer to believe this AGW theory eventually,and therefore *"man is the enemy of humanity"
Joined: 25 Jul 2005 Posts: 18335 Location: St. Pauls, Bristol, England
Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 8:23 pm Post subject:
Yes, clouds are wonderful fascinating things.
IMO there's no hard evidence here but I'm allowing discussion out of controversies as a one-off at John's request.
None of the chemtrails (aka. 'vapour trails' to British pilots or 'contrails' to US pilots) films I've seen 'has legs' as we say in the trade.
I've seen none of the following all of which are essential.
Meteorological experts explaining with differing views if they exist.
Pilots with many hours commercial airline experience with differing views as above.
Fully referenced pictures of the special spraying equipment installed on aircraft.
Interviews with mechanics explaining.
Clear and hard evidence to link illness on the ground to spraying.
Air sampling and subsequent spectroscopy.
All individuals interviewed real and traceable.
If anyone can point me to a film which covers any or all of these bases I'll give it a look - until then this is No Planes City, Arizona.
Quote:
Chemtrail Controversy
In the November/December 2000 issue of Weatherwise,
by James Rowland of San Diego, California
Natural cirrus clouds form high in the troposphere, usually at temperatures below -40 degrees F, when there are sufficient ice nuclei (tiny particles that ice crystals can grow on) in the air and when the water vapor content is high enough. Upward motion in the high troposphere causes the cooling that brings air to saturation and forms the ice crystals in natural cirrus clouds. Contrails (an abbreviation of condensation trails) form when jet aircraft inject water vapor into the high troposphere or lower stratosphere, thereby bringing the air to saturation.
Cirrus clouds - click for different types
http://web.archive.org/web/20010309094441/http://www.weatherwise.org/q r/qry.chemtrail.html
During this year, aircraft will burn over 200 million tons of fuel. The major byproducts of combustion are carbon dioxide (CO2) and water vapor (H2O). There are other substances in the engine exhaust, notably, carbon monoxide, oxides of nitrogen, sulphur dioxide, methane, nonmethane hydrocarbons, carbon soot, and other microscopic particles.
For every pound of fuel burned, about 1.26 pounds of water vapor is created but less than 0.0004 ounces of soot because aviation fuel burns cleanly. Even so, the soot provides plenty of ice nuclei, and the water vapor can usually saturate a large volume of air at the low temperatures where commercial jets fly. The result is the immediate formation of a contrail, consisting of tiny ice crystals in large concentrations. At temperatures lower than about -76 degrees F, contrails almost always form, regardless of relative humidity. The higher the ambient temperature, the less likely that contrails will form. At temperatures above -40 degrees F, contrails are not expected.
The persistence of contrails depends upon temperature, relative humidity, and the vigor of mixing between the exhaust plume and the ambient air. At low temperatures, with high humidity, and with stable temperature stratification (which inhibits vertical mixing of the air), contrails persist for many hours..............
I think there's a lot of questions to be answered by the appropriate authorities over chemtrails. The mere fact that we can see these chemtrails doing unnatural things in the sky is enough for the public to be asking some serious questions of the polititions.
Quote:
If you are unfamiliar with the subject of chemtrails, you should first read this general overview of the chemtrail spraying operations which began in earnest in late 1997. Without first reading the introductory overview, it's difficult to understand the later informaiton that is being presented here. There are several key points to understand about the chemtrail spraying program.
Most people discover the reality of chemtrails by initially reading about it on the Internet and then going outside and looking up into the sky. They are shocked to realize that what they had been reading about (and studying photographs of) is also taking place right over their heads. What some people had dismissed as mere "jet plane exhaust" (because there are now scores of internet propaganda web sites trying to convince you that 'everything is well' and 'there's nothing to be alarmed about' and that unaccountable 'jet plane exhaust' plumes are magically being converted into horizon-to-horizon overcasts of "cirrus clouds" !) are dismayed to realize that chemtrails are indeed the toxin-laden aerosols that have been described here and at other web sites since 1998 and they are not being sprayed for any benign or national security reason as the disinformation peddlers would have you believe.
Nothing brings home the comprehension of the New World Order depopulation agenda than the realization that you and your family are also on the "useless eaters" (Henry Kissinger) elimination list.
There's an interesting article here, Citizen Drafts Bill to Prohibit Chemtrail Poisonings & Inhumane Weaponry:
Quote:
“We the People, Demanding this Civil Law, Prohibiting the utilization of aerial deployments regarding aerosolized chemicals or biological agents and/or Bio-Chemical Mutations banning for any purpose in the North American Continent Airspaces, as has been used for United States Global Warming Mitigation, Climate Change and/or Weather Modification Programs which are deployed into the unified atmosphere over the United States or Canada.
Continued ChemTrails Spraying will result in irreparable, long term, toxic and heavy-metal poisoning of the populace. This Preservation and Protection extends to prevention of contamination via toxic fall-out onto the infinite environment of the United States and Canada, which includes our Air-Column, Land masses, rivers, lakes, and Ground- waters, forests and seas and all Foods. There are NO current Laws or Rules protecting our atmosphere and upper-atmosphere from these forms of toxic contamination, ChemTrails, Aerosolized Contaminants, Weapons all. This Environmental Terrorism must and Will End.”
Attention Congress People and Elected Officials. This Draft-Law Document has been written, ‘By the People’ that will stop and halt all ChemTrails bombardment and the literal poisoning of the Earth’s Breathable Air Column. This subject shall not be debated, UAPA8 is a Civil Complaint and Demand to the United States Congress for Protection of all Life Form’s Breathable Air Column, Life and Liberty.
Written By the People in ‘plain-Civil and simple, understandable English language so all can understand exactly of what is expected of the US Congress in this Air Emergency-matter. There will be zero- respect given to any official protocols of preparation for this Document, or Submittal(s) thereof; This Document fully states Our Demands.
People are taking this very serious in the US, it's time we did here in GB too! I've been filming chemtrails for over 20 months and have some interesting footage. I will be covering chemtrails in my new film, asking some serious questions & hopefully set a few sparks off in the right peoples heads to really start getting into this issue with the government.
Joined: 18 Apr 2006 Posts: 1158 Location: South Essex
Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 9:38 pm Post subject:
Strangely,I've never seen a scientist or engineer on my TV saying 9/11,
7/7,Bali,Madrid and Mumbai events could not be caused by home-made fertilizer bombs.That of course does not mean military grade explosives were not used,as most here may think they were.
Also,if as the title heading now says:
Chemical spraying, or unusual atmospheric conditions?
Either the atmospheric conditions are continuous as the phenomenon is seen all year round,so the term "unusual" does not apply.Or there is a standard chemical effect in the trail.
I wish they were. But these chemtrails were taken on boiling hot days, way way too hot for them to be 'ice chrystals.' For me to believe any trail is 'ice chrystals' I would have to see samples annalised to confirm this!
You may think it's all out there
Until you interact with it, so it is
The thing is, you can interact with chemtrails from your own earthbound station, if you take the trouble
Moaning about them just won't do _________________ http://www.exopolitics-leeds.co.uk/introduction
Joined: 27 Mar 2006 Posts: 3187 Location: Here to help!
Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 3:54 pm Post subject:
Just so everyone knows I've moved this back out of news to carry on the discussion here, because perhaps discussing these films is not best in News, but I'm pleased many more people have had a chance to look at these Videos
to clarify where I'm at:
I have no firm conclusions based on these films:
But I do have questions
What are we seeing in the first film? Is this simply a busy flightpath with prevailing winds bringing in clouds?
Or is the more going on here, is this showing a direct relationship between the planes and the formation of the cloud cover/possible chem smog?
I don't know
And its because I don't know I'd like more people to see the film so more skillsets can be brought to bear than mine: I'm not a meteorologist for example
The second film is similar
Am I looking at regular meteorological testing planes? Or am I looking at something more covert?
How many meteorological testing planes are there? Who runs them? Are there enough planes with testing equipment that it is possible the same equipment is being used for two roles?
These questions occur to me
Also, what interpretation do others make of the satellite shots at the end?
If nothing else, they are spectacular and attention grabbing
What do they really mean?
Anyone have any thoughts on the above? _________________ Free your Self and Free the World
Joined: 18 Apr 2006 Posts: 1158 Location: South Essex
Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 5:13 pm Post subject:
Reflecting on the future
Space is likewise the destination in the other set of approaches. Reflecting sunlight back into outer space (increasing the Earth’s albedo, as it is known) would also cool the planet, and the Royal Society’s authors consider two ways of doing so.
One, which has been widely touted in the past is, perversely, to increase the amount of pollution in the atmosphere. Governments have spent the past half-century trying to reduce the amount of sulphur compounds in the air. These compounds are the main cause of acid rain. They also, however, have a tendency to form tiny particles that reflect sunlight back into space. That effect is most noticeable when a volcano erupts explosively, as Mount Pinatubo did in 1991, or Tambora did in 1815. Those eruptions put sulphate particles into the stratosphere, and because that is above the part of the atmosphere where weather occurs, these particles tended to stay there rather than being washed out by rain. That cooled the whole climate. The year after Tambora’s explosion was known for a long time as the “year without a summer”.
The reverse is also true. When civilian flights over the United States stopped in the wake of the terrorist attacks of September 2001, the lack of sulphur-laden contrails led to a perceptible rise in temperature. Philip Rasch, of the National Centre for Atmospheric Research, in Boulder, Colorado, and his colleagues are therefore exploring the idea of deliberately polluting the stratosphere with sulphate in order to reflect solar heat back into space.
To offset the rise in temperature expected by the middle of the century if things carry on as they are, the amount of sunlight reaching the Earth’s surface would have to be cut by just 1.1%. That is still a lot of energy in absolute terms, but the sums suggest it is within reach. It would require the addition of about 10m tonnes of finely divided sulphate particles to the stratosphere each year. These could be sprayed out of special aircraft-borne injectors, or produced by burning high-sulphur aviation fuel.
If aviation fuel were used in this way, and was 5% sulphur (between ten and 100 times today’s levels), it would require 1m flights a year to the middle of the stratosphere (between 15km and 25km up), assuming an average flight was four hours. Those flights alone would use up half as much fuel as civil aviation now consumes. However, you could achieve part of the effect by making civil aviation use dirty, high-sulphur fuel. It would not be a perfect solution. Civilian jets cruise at an altitude of 10km, the bottom of the stratosphere, and any sulphate they released would thus fall to earth faster. But it would be a lot cheaper than flying 1m special missions.
Besides polluting the stratosphere, there is another way of changing the atmosphere to make it more reflective. This is to tinker with cloud cover. One person working on this idea is Stephen Salter, a marine engineer at the University of Edinburgh best known for seeking to replace fossil fuels with Salter’s duck, a device for turning ocean waves into electricity. He has also been working on the geo-engineering end of climate change.
Dr Salter and his colleague at Edinburgh, Graham Sortino, together with John Latham, one of Dr Rasch’s colleagues at the National Centre for Atmospheric Research, have been looking into how clouds might be made more reflective. Their answer is to spray them with seawater. Particles of salt formed by the evaporation of ocean spray act as nuclei around which the droplets of water that form clouds can condense. Increasing the number of particles increases the number of droplets. That does not change the total amount of cloud (which is controlled by the amount of water vapour in the atmosphere). But having more, smaller droplets does increase a cloud’s reflectivity.
Here's The Guardian's reprise of an Observer article mentioned in this video about the admitted use of dangerous chemicals and bio-warfare
ingredients on the unsuspecting public for decades:
One, which has been widely touted in the past is, perversely, to increase the amount of pollution in the atmosphere. Governments have spent the past half-century trying to reduce the amount of sulphur compounds in the air. These compounds are the main cause of acid rain. They also, however, have a tendency to form tiny particles that reflect sunlight back into space. That effect is most noticeable when a volcano erupts explosively, as Mount Pinatubo did in 1991, or Tambora did in 1815. Those eruptions put sulphate particles into the stratosphere, and because that is above the part of the atmosphere where weather occurs, these particles tended to stay there rather than being washed out by rain. That cooled the whole climate. The year after Tambora’s explosion was known for a long time as the “year without a summer”.
The reverse is also true. When civilian flights over the United States stopped in the wake of the terrorist attacks of September 2001, the lack of sulphur-laden contrails led to a perceptible rise in temperature. Philip Rasch, of the National Centre for Atmospheric Research, in Boulder, Colorado, and his colleagues are therefore exploring the idea of deliberately polluting the stratosphere with sulphate in order to reflect solar heat back into space.
To offset the rise in temperature expected by the middle of the century if things carry on as they are, the amount of sunlight reaching the Earth’s surface would have to be cut by just 1.1%. That is still a lot of energy in absolute terms, but the sums suggest it is within reach. It would require the addition of about 10m tonnes of finely divided sulphate particles to the stratosphere each year. These could be sprayed out of special aircraft-borne injectors, or produced by burning high-sulphur aviation fuel.
If aviation fuel were used in this way, and was 5% sulphur (between ten and 100 times today’s levels), it would require 1m flights a year to the middle of the stratosphere (between 15km and 25km up), assuming an average flight was four hours. Those flights alone would use up half as much fuel as civil aviation now consumes. However, you could achieve part of the effect by making civil aviation use dirty, high-sulphur fuel. It would not be a perfect solution. Civilian jets cruise at an altitude of 10km, the bottom of the stratosphere, and any sulphate they released would thus fall to earth faster. But it would be a lot cheaper than flying 1m special missions.
Besides polluting the stratosphere, there is another way of changing the atmosphere to make it more reflective. This is to tinker with cloud cover. One person working on this idea is Stephen Salter, a marine engineer at the University of Edinburgh best known for seeking to replace fossil fuels with Salter’s duck, a device for turning ocean waves into electricity. He has also been working on the geo-engineering end of climate change.
Dr Salter and his colleague at Edinburgh, Graham Sortino, together with John Latham, one of Dr Rasch’s colleagues at the National Centre for Atmospheric Research, have been looking into how clouds might be made more reflective. Their answer is to spray them with seawater. Particles of salt formed by the evaporation of ocean spray act as nuclei around which the droplets of water that form clouds can condense. Increasing the number of particles increases the number of droplets. That does not change the total amount of cloud (which is controlled by the amount of water vapour in the atmosphere). But having more, smaller droplets does increase a cloud’s reflectivity.
_________________ Free your Self and Free the World
well you would have to be blind or walking around looking at your shoes to not see that the UN has been making clouds for some years now, and one would expect the ways in which they apply this nonsense to have been questioned at every level.... BUT we are still asking who, what, and why?
WHO WHAT AND WHY ? It's time our government became accountable...email your MP's , The Home Office ............let's get answers
I've had to many days clouded up with thier bs, lets see the sunshine for what it is ....... they are wasting our money .
WE WOULD LIKE THE TRUTH.............. thats all.
freedom is the grandchildren we are the caretakers
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Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 12:34 am Post subject:
I am in no way very good with a camera or video camera but i did manage to get some photos and footage (sony camcorder) of planes and trails and all of the pictures seem to show the trails coming from the engines and not from some other nozzles or whatever.
If chemtrails are so prevalent as some claim then surely some convincing photos or video would show trails leaving from some aother point other than the engine exhausts, that is unless the chemicals are in the fuel!!
The only comment ive heard in how to distinguish chemtrail from contrail is that chemtrails stay. I dont know enough about trails but i do see clouds which i presume are vapour and these dont disappear that quickly.
That said. I have regularly witnessed large numbers of trails remaining and eventually merging together to create huge areas of haze that blocks out the sun. Certainly light pollution _________________ JO911B.
"for we wrestle not against flesh and blood but against principalities, against powers, against rulers of the darkness of this world, against wicked spirits in high places " Eph.6 v 12
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