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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2007 3:56 pm    Post subject: Can someone explain what the UFO is at 5:54 in this footage Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2007 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A bird.
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2007 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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A bird.


Look at the film, what sort of bird, a bleedin' phoenix?

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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2007 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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telecasterisation wrote:
A bird.


Look at the film, what sort of bird, a bleedin' phoenix?


The quality is too poor to identify the breed. It is a bird about 75 yards from the camera.
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2007 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

telecasterisation wrote:
911 a past gone mad wrote:
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A bird.


Look at the film, what sort of bird, a bleedin' phoenix?


The quality is too poor to identify the breed. It is a bird about 75 yards from the camera.


What are yoou looking at? I am talking about this bright silver object, you're just trolling for the sake of it while counting your rent money.

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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2007 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep, a bird, no question.
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2007 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you are referring to the object seen moving across the screen with 5.54 left to run, I would say tele is correct, not that I really care

But instead of accusing others of trolling and being paid to post, why not tell us what you think we can learn from this video.
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2007 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

911 a past gone mad wrote:
telecasterisation wrote:
911 a past gone mad wrote:
telecasterisation wrote:
A bird.


Look at the film, what sort of bird, a bleedin' phoenix?


The quality is too poor to identify the breed. It is a bird about 75 yards from the camera.


What are yoou looking at? I am talking about this bright silver object, you're just trolling for the sake of it while counting your rent money.


why dont you ask your local police, i'm sure they would give you the answer you are phishing for?.
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2007 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FYI 911apgm is now banned until his/her next incarnation
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2007 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ian neal wrote:
FYI 911apgm is now banned until his/her next incarnation


Well done ian, not a second too soon.

Perhaps in future perpetual spammers of topic starters with a stupid user name could be spotted within 3 spams in 5 minutes?

the giveaway is usually one liners also, no thought out reasearch, did crude street magician tactics. Posting a topic starting with one liners and multiple topic starting spams is getting easier to spot dont you think?
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 5:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

why does the building shift about 400ft to screen left.

mark 1 --- 16secs
mark2 --- 1min 31secs

The building has jumped left screen.

1min 39sec -- the gap in the smoke right screen.

Oh deary, deary me.

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1min 53secs ... watch the building right screen .. see the smoke moving left.

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now watch again from

1min 23sec - 28secs

you can clearly see the gap and the smoke rising either side of this 'magical space'.
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 8:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

zark wrote:
why does the building shift about 400ft to screen left.

mark 1 --- 16secs
mark2 --- 1min 31secs
The building has jumped left screen.
1min 39sec -- the gap in the smoke right screen.
Oh deary, deary me.
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1min 53secs ... watch the building right screen .. see the smoke moving left.
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now watch again from
1min 23sec - 28secs
you can clearly see the gap and the smoke rising either side of this 'magical space'.


Obviously this was filmed by amateurs who weren't using the right equipment. They didn't record the event properly and consequently, the parallax error accounts for the reciprocity failure created by the shift in colour temperature. Anybody who had bothered to do a modicum of research would know this.
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zark dont do research tele. In fact, I have a quote from him where he spouted "Your scientific approach to 9/11 isnt wanted" when someone was taking him to task over the "lazer beam frickin sharks" he thinks brought the towers down.
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's footage of that item from even further back if I recall - which makes it a bit far fetched to be a bird. But it does look like a bird.

If it flies like a bird, lays eggs like a bird and has feathers like a bird - it's probably an anomalous object.

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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just watched it.

A bird. Absolutley no doubt.

This is just getting silly. At lest the "ream of paper/orb" footage was abiguous and hard to make out. This is a bird right down to it's flapping wings.

Is this really what 9/11 "research" has come to???

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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

911apgm was so unconvincing I suspect he was secretly a supporter of Steven Jones playing a double bluff.
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Obviously this was filmed by amateurs who weren't using the right equipment. They didn't record the event properly and consequently, the parallax error accounts for the reciprocity failure created by the shift in colour temperature. Anybody who had bothered to do a modicum of research would know this.


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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kc wrote:
Zark dont do research tele. In fact, I have a quote from him where he spouted "Your scientific approach to 9/11 isnt wanted" when someone was taking him to task over the "lazer beam frickin sharks" he thinks brought the towers down.


ermmm you are a nonce.

The 1st quote is quite correct but the second is pigswill.

I am quite sure Fred would offer a descriptive reply to you and tele but i aint like that. I know what youre up to.
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was on a bus when 911 first hit British TV screens. I walked in the front door to find my wife glued to the news, the coverage of the collapse was riveting.

The video footage was very graphic, and at the time, very 'real'.

In the subsequent years, we have watched the same footage again and again. More has joined it, footage we never saw, different angles, from apartment windows, strange angles, from the tops of buildings, from a park miles away.

The obvious thing that links all these clips together is the fact they were apparently of the same event. However, the other point often overlooked is that virtually without exception, every clip now has a strange hovering UFO, or a missing aircraft, or a dissolving spire, or a suspect fireball, or a soundtrack that is at odds with what we see.

We can no longer simply watch it for what it is and believe what we see.

The point we have to remember, is that none of this footage can be trusted. We must move to a different place and accept, it is ALL potentially pigswill.
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

zark wrote:
kc wrote:
Zark dont do research tele. In fact, I have a quote from him where he spouted "Your scientific approach to 9/11 isnt wanted" when someone was taking him to task over the "lazer beam frickin sharks" he thinks brought the towers down.


ermmm you are a nonce.

The 1st quote is quite correct but the second is pigswill.

I am quite sure Fred would offer a descriptive reply to you and tele but i aint like that. I know what youre up to.


Just what is Fred like Zark?

I'm all ears...

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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2007 12:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't call people nonce (or similar) zark or you will be banned
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2007 1:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stefan wrote:
Just watched it.

A bird. Absolutley no doubt.

This is just getting silly. At lest the "ream of paper/orb" footage was abiguous and hard to make out. This is a bird right down to it's flapping wings.

Is this really what 9/11 "research" has come to???


*sighs* im afraid so.
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2007 5:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Just what is Fred like Zark?

I'm all ears...


can you hear me?

The building jumps to the left.

Magical building.
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2007 6:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

zark wrote:
John White wrote:


Just what is Fred like Zark?

I'm all ears...


can you hear me?

The building jumps to the left.

Magical building.


magic as in no explaination? or magic as in this still be a problem after being explained above?

or do we only see selective posts? or are you just going to keep asking untill you get the correct answer? lets save time, just tell us what the correct answer is.

or explain away the points in the post below at least.
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2007 6:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

telecasterisation wrote:
zark wrote:
why does the building shift about 400ft to screen left.

mark 1 --- 16secs
mark2 --- 1min 31secs
The building has jumped left screen.
1min 39sec -- the gap in the smoke right screen.
Oh deary, deary me.
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1min 53secs ... watch the building right screen .. see the smoke moving left.
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now watch again from
1min 23sec - 28secs
you can clearly see the gap and the smoke rising either side of this 'magical space'.


Obviously this was filmed by amateurs who weren't using the right equipment. They didn't record the event properly and consequently, the parallax error accounts for the reciprocity failure created by the shift in colour temperature. Anybody who had bothered to do a modicum of research would know this.
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2007 6:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wink

or watch the video over and watch the building on the right in relation to the left building and watch the way the spire moves, as this proves what your claiming is wrong.

also the smoke rising up and to the left also proves your claim is wrong as well as the moving traffic in the foreground, now if you watch at 1.40
5.34 and 7.38 and take into consideration all the points i raised, then you will realsie that i didnt make sense and i just wasted 10mins of your time like you have mine.
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2007 8:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ian neal wrote:
911apgm was so unconvincing I suspect he was secretly a supporter of Steven Jones playing a double bluff.


Funny you should say that Ian, as my current theory is that 911 "Researchers" is a recreational outlet for bored JREFers.

I'm fairly sure that ProleArtCriminalElementGoneMad's vocabularly and phrasing are too similar to Johnny Pixel's to be a coincidence.

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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2007 9:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

chek wrote:
ian neal wrote:
911apgm was so unconvincing I suspect he was secretly a supporter of Steven Jones playing a double bluff.


Funny you should say that Ian, as my current theory is that 911 "Researchers" is a recreational outlet for bored JREFers.

I'm fairly sure that ProleArtCriminalElementGoneMad's vocabularly and phrasing are too similar to Johnny Pixel's to be a coincidence.


I will add them to my list of hypotheses to explain 911apgm and similar posters:

- they are just very, very paranoid and have lost the ability to use reasoning and logic to assess evidence and probabilities

- they are a poorly-funded intel disinfo op designed to waste everyone's time and make 911 sceptics look like a bunch of flakey cranks

- they are computer-generated forum trolls with only basic logic programming (that would explain the robotic repetition and almost complete inability to debate)

- they are a bunch of school children on a wind-up/project

- there really were no planes and these laughable posts are designed to make us see it as completely bonkers

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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2007 11:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Craig you forgot:

They're actually believers of the OCT and have just decided to wind up and distract the movement for a laugh in their spare time.
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2007 3:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kc wrote:
Craig you forgot:

They're actually believers of the OCT and have just decided to wind up and distract the movement for a laugh in their spare time.

I wonder where they find all that spare time to spend on seemingly endless "researching", blogging, making videos and spamming all the forums they can find with their stuff. don't any of them have jobs? Smile
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