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spiderman Validated Poster
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Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 7:39 am Post subject: Dean - please watch my UK911Truth film online |
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Hello everyone. I hope that you are all well. As some of you know i am currently making a feature length film about the Truth movement. I have recently returned from Ireland filming Morgan Stack running in the local elections and i'd like to take this oppurtinity to congratulate him. He has truly been carrying out some innovative activism all on his own and pretty much flying the flag of 9/11 truth single handedly in Ireland. If you would like to watch my most recent short film "FALSE FLAGS" in its entirety it is now up on myspace.
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=2 032306953
If you follow the link at the bottom of the page you can see some of the scenes at speakers corner that i couldnt quite fit into the film but are very interesting to see the audience reation to some of these ideas as the flm is part documentary part fiction
The film follows a young boy who travels o speakers corner and encounters many strange views of the world it is also the first time he is exposed to the views of the truth movement and the idea of False Flag terrorism. It is very interesting to watch if only fo the reaction of the real people n the film to the views of Nelson who is talking about 9/11 truth issues. Once again if any of you would like to screen the film at any events i would be happy to send you the full film on DVD. it was shot on HDV which is somewhat lost on the internet but would look great if screened properly. Ok well watch enjoy and post up here waht you think
DEAN _________________ www.myspace.com/theelephantintheroom |
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spiderman Validated Poster
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Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 3:20 pm Post subject: just to add |
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Just to add this was the short film that was shown before Annie Machin's talk the other week if anyone missed it
Thanks
Dean _________________ www.myspace.com/theelephantintheroom |
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spiderman Validated Poster
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Snowygrouch Validated Poster
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Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 9:13 am Post subject: |
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I`d say it`s very professionally filmed and edited, but the character the actor plays at speakers corner wasnt exactly a shining example of coherent public 9/11 speaking....perhaps that was part of the idea I dont know.
As far as the filming goes very well done though. _________________ The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists, and will persist
President Eisenhower 1961 |
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spiderman Validated Poster
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Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 9:32 am Post subject: |
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I aknowledge that critisism. at the time that i created the character and made this film. I really wasnt aware that a 9/11 truth movement in the uk even existed. I had just seen some films myself and come around to the ideas and created a character based upon someone who had felt compelled to speak out. He is a fictional character and is therfore slightly larger than life but i do think that in hindsight after meeting so many truthers in this country the character would have been different . at the time i was still conforming to the stereo type of the 'conspiracy theorist' which i would do differnetly now. but i will also note that Nelson type characters definately do exist in this movement. Also the end scene i shot months later and i tried to make him more realistic at that point
Thanks for the comment snowygrouch _________________ www.myspace.com/theelephantintheroom |
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Snowygrouch Validated Poster
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Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 9:43 am Post subject: |
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Oh make no mistake there are PLENTY of people who would put anyone off FAR more than his character!!!
I would just (I hope anyway) that that representation is not representative.
I had no idea when you had made it so....
Keep up the good work Dean.
C. _________________ The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists, and will persist
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rubber_ritchie Minor Poster
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Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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I agree the film is very well made. I think it portrays 9-11 truthers in a negative way though so I don't understand why you are plugging it. _________________ 911 Was An Outside Job. I used to be a 'truther' but I now believe all the conspiracy theories to be nonsense. Please watch 'Screw Loose Change' on youtube. |
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spiderman Validated Poster
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Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 8:06 pm Post subject: |
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The reason that I made the film was to make an entertaining little story and introduce people to the idea of false falg terrorism. I dont think it portrays trthers in a negative way. he comes across well when talking to the younger character I agree that the chracter could be more realistic though _________________ www.myspace.com/theelephantintheroom |
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rubber_ritchie Minor Poster
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Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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You did make an entertaining film and it's good you introduced those ideas. When something comes from the mouth of someone so angry and incoherent though people don't tend to react well to what they are saying though. Sorry to criticise. It's a great piece! _________________ 911 Was An Outside Job. I used to be a 'truther' but I now believe all the conspiracy theories to be nonsense. Please watch 'Screw Loose Change' on youtube. |
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spiderman Validated Poster
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paul wright Moderator
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Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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Great little movie, Dean, and so glad you didn't portray the Truth movement in a clean marketable way. So many people seem to want to obey advertising standards, but realisation can seep in in a myriad ways rather than by the focus group standard, which to my mind is totally repellant
Well done with the scuzziness _________________ http://www.exopolitics-leeds.co.uk/introduction |
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Bongo 9/11 Truth critic
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | in hindsight after meeting so many truthers in this country the character would have been different |
...Why? You obviously have not met me! I happened to personally relate to one of the characters very closely.
One criticism is that the film was a little short and could have developed into a larger script. I was left with so many questions about the characters which I feel I need some more clues. The film overall, felt like a taster for a half hour long (at least!) short story.
Very well produced though.
Cheers,
Brian. |
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John White Site Admin
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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If you want a genuine 9/11 truther to pay the part of himself, just drop me a line Spiderman _________________ Free your Self and Free the World |
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spiderman Validated Poster
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 1:18 pm Post subject: tO jOHN |
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i'm making a documentary about the movement and a few of the guys have started going up to speakers corner as a result of watching my short which is wicked. so i will email you when we are next up there
Dean _________________ www.myspace.com/theelephantintheroom |
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Stefan Banned
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 2:07 pm Post subject: |
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spiderman,
Well reminded, the speakers corner thing had slipped my mind after a couple of rainy weekends and the hecticness of the 9/11- Separating Facts from Fiction event and parliament protest organisation.
John, do you fancy coming down to London and hitting speakers corner with a few of us one weekend soon? _________________
Peace and Truth |
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John White Site Admin
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 2:17 pm Post subject: |
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Stefan wrote: | spiderman,
Well reminded, the speakers corner thing had slipped my mind after a couple of rainy weekends and the hecticness of the 9/11- Separating Facts from Fiction event and parliament protest organisation.
John, do you fancy coming down to London and hitting speakers corner with a few of us one weekend soon? |
As long as we get decent footage we can use for promotional purposes and ideally 2 weeks notice (so I can organise getting away), absolutely. If given a preference, I'd favour going down there to pwn the credibility of the 9/11 commision as a priority target, and then getting into NORAD stand-down/CD _________________ Free your Self and Free the World |
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Stefan Banned
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 2:56 pm Post subject: |
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John,
We have Mohsin who's done this before and does a really, really good speech on a lihop platform, talking about PNAC and so on, our plan is to move on and go in turns making the information more complex,
so perhaps you could follow Mohsin with info on the flaws in the reports, then Norad could come up, then put options, then WTC7.
Believe me with the crowd in speakers corner, you don't want to be hitting any of the complex stuff (forget CD of the towers, you saw what kind of a ride spidermans actor got on that one) unless you have an engineering degree to shut people up with.
Me, Andy and Mykal are all up for this, although its got a little lost in a stream of other activities latley. If you are up for it, name a Sunday you can do and we'll do it then.
As far as promotional use - well it could be filmed independantly but what spiderman films is for his documentray I know he doesn't like the idea of half the film being on youtube before he's even released it. _________________
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John White Site Admin
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 3:00 pm Post subject: |
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Ok fair few things to think about there: I'l get back to you in a few days _________________ Free your Self and Free the World |
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Reflecter Validated Poster
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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Just checked out your film Dean and I think it was very well made and a nice opener to the subject. A longer version as others have suggested would be a good idea perhaps with the lad following up on the research and reaching the same conclusion.
I also think its great how this has triggered off so many people into organising more events at SC. Good luck with it and I look forward to the results. _________________ The Peoples United Collective TPUC.ORG
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