we've been nice.!

[keithm]

We've been nice,

tried everything in a peaceful and democratic way.

these b****** are animals and will never listen.

but now its time to get tough.

acting by the book is not enough.

its time to get physical

Arm yourselves with knives,guns,sticks and stones.

and lets take our country back from these sick b******.

We've had, elections stolen,promises broken,and our own government,killing our own people.

[spiv]

[scubadiver]

I agree with Spiv

[marky 54]

the roman empire fell on a new idea spreading around the world, not because of war.

[ianrcrane]

eithm wrote:

[fish5133]

When in a minority the pen is definitely mightier than the sword

when in a majority we have the vote

when thats taken away (or rigged) then what?

[ianrcrane]

fish5133 asked:

[Thermate911]

Hmm. Whilst I can fully sympathise with those who feel that nothing appears to be stopping the NWO (frankly the bankers!) and that violence is now the only resort of the masses, history shows clearly that unless the masses are truly desperate (ie have lost loved ones to the rulers; have zero security; don't know where their next meal is coming from; consider life an unremitting waking nightmare), they will clearly be ineffective in producing any worthwhile longterm improvement of their lot. Eg from French Revolution to Sarkosy in just over 200 hundred years; from Lenin to Stalin in far less time.

A far better way was clearly and effectively demonstrated by Gandhi, who encapsulated the concept of 'being the change you wish to see in the world'.

Violent surgery is no match for slow, careful healing - starting with the psychopaths: Starting with putting your own internal house fully in order.

I may quote V but his core was rotted by vile circumstance before he ever got started... This is not the way towards world peace. It is only the way to spread the never-ending ripples of cause and effect - a cycle we need to break out of.

Get violent and see where it gets you - Emma Goldman had that sussed a while back when she said "Violence from the bottom of society (80% of us these days) will invariably be met with superior violence from the State".

keithm - please consider your rights of citizen arrest. Examine the case of the brave lady who tried to arrest Blair...

[John White]

Besides which, we ignore the lessons of History: nothign makes people more easy to manipulate then when they are stirred to Violence: anyone wanting to let that genie out of the bottle is fooling themselves: the elite always win when they are confronted with violence. Its their tool after all. Knowledge and the demoliton of their illusions on the other hand: then they are in trouble

[xmasdale]

If you think non-violence is a load of bovine excrement, consider this.

The powers that be are armed to the teeth. We the people are not. Who wins when unarmed people start fighting with armed ones?

[nrmis]

Some interesting points, I cant say I haven't felt the same way as the OP, can anyone?

[Justin]

KeithM, my friend, read David Icke's latest book and study the teachings of Mahatma Gandhi. Violence is most certainly not the way we will defeat our friends at the top of the pyramid - the only way forward is by exposing their existence, their actions and their global scams such as the Bogus War on Terror, Man-made Global Warming, the European Superstate and International Banking. Suppressed information and suppressed knowledge is starting to emerge at an ever-increasing rate thanks to the internet. I am in the throes of coming up with a UK initiative that will address your concerns and which I will publish shortly.

[John White]

Sounds exciting Justin!

[chek]

[Lawrence Phillips]

Is he talking about America?
im a big fan of Ghandi, but things are not that drastic yet to call for arms, but i agree things need to change, there are some awful laws around in my humble opinion.

List the cause for your call to arms, then we get 1 million people to peacefully demand them. Perhaps that’s a good start m8.

"they’ve got the guns but we’ve got the numbers".
Any instigation of violence has to be by the forces not the protesters, as that works in the protesters favour and vice versa if the protesters get violent it works in the forces favour regarding public opinion.

You just have to be careful that its not like the US where the Cops dress as protesters and cause the trouble.. I saw it on news feeds from the US, fact its proven that this happens, any violent protester have to be removed from any protest by the peaceful protesters.

[xmasdale]

[Justin]

"truth-power".....I like that Noel!

[paul wright]

[xmasdale]

Just joking, Noel
Great to see the synchronicity of thought
Every proactivity of thought will produce similar conclusions amongst we similarly inclined.
There should be no conflicts really, other than in small points of departure
Which is as it should be.
I took the nomenclature from the life or vital force, may it be with you, combined with the truth striving
The power is the same tale. Go with what you want. We're in the same trail

[Stephen]

[Pikey]

It seems along time since we last met at The Mass in London (Sept 2006) for the sixth anniversary gathering Keith. You have IMO made an outstanding contribution to the UK campaign in terms of activism Keith.

[acrobat74]

Violence?

lol that's exactly what the psychopathic elitists want to see.

Their tactics are rather straight-forward, it's either divide-and-conquer, or this.

No offense meant, but the suggestion is really dumb...


Mahatma showed the way.

The problem is, the great Indian had cojones the size of a planet...and excuse my Spanish.


Nevertheless, the great middle finger to the sickos is rising. It gathers pace, and it gathers faith.

A revolution of consciousness is on its way; the seeds are out there.

It's up there, at the top: http://video.google.com/videoranking?cr=all

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5547481422995115331

[paul wright]

I,m always pleased to see that non-cooperation with these monsters,not a moment of adherence. Seeking adherence to counter-methods
After all we need to counter their methods
We can't just take it victimwise
I dont like the term "fight"
We undermine their project

[xmasdale]

This is what the Beatles had to sing about it in 1968:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1FfHDEn8os

[Light Infantree]

So keithm what say you now?

This thread is a little short of your comments. Perhaps you can enlighten us with your reasoning for your words at the top of this page?

Well, I won't hold my breath waiting for a reply but I will say this my friend, thankyou very much for reminding me that to use violence is to become that which you oppose. Thank you for being you and speaking your truth. Thank you for saying something - there are many that feel this way and find it difficult to see any other way but to take up arms. In the months to come I feel that our approach to this one single issue could decide the our future.

We gotta change our weaponry
Peace together this with the love of you and me

I understand your feeling keithm, I'm as 'angry' as anyone is but i have learnt to process it in a way which is constructive. If you were to channel this aggressive energy in an appropriate manner it could become your greatest asset.

BECOME Truth

[xmasdale]

I think the essential ingredients are:

- a demand for truth from those with power

- co-operation between a broad spectrum of various campaigns on a basis which does not imply mutual endorsement of each other's individual policies

- a common commitment to non-violent truth-power

- a holding to account of public officials

- non-co-operation with unjust laws which violate human rights

- insistance that international law on human rights and warfare be upheld

- exposure of lies whenever we discover them

- common language and symbols of the struggle for truth and justice

- a broad truth campaign spear-headed by the general public (politicians and public officials will only join it when they see wide support)

[Frazzel]

I agree with the ones urging non violence. Unfortunately, things will probably get alot worse before the majority of the population start doing something about it. these are difficult times. we need to build up our movement/s from the local, grassroots, to seek ways to empower people, to show them we are not entirely powerless, to step up non-violent direct action, to think of stunts that get publicity/media attention, etc. think of ways we can work in solidarity with people in our local communities. Many people i talk to know that things are wrong but they just dont know what to do about it. Thats why getting active in your local area can be very effective, ie supporting your local tenants association. Relating the wider picture (the war, the e.u, wto, war on terror, and 911) with whats going on at the local level ie problems with privatisation of public services, increasing lack of educational opportunities for adults, etc. Linking the local issues with the national and the global so poeple can see how the global directly affects them and their lives.