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ConspiracyTheorySceptic
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inside job writes:
| Quote: | Could you also explain why it is that the US government supported the Muslim Brotherhood? They used the Brotherhood in the 1950s to overthrown Nasser in Egypt. They were persecuted by Nasser. So, the CIA got some clerics out of Egypt and transferred them to Saudi Arabia. These same clerics are the origins of fundamentalist Islam in Saudi Arabia.
Why then did the US and Britain finance the Muslim Brotherhood to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan? Why did the intelligence services of the US, Pakistan and UK create Al-Muhajiroun in order to recruit UK Pakistanis to fight in Bosnia? Why then did the British help to create the Muslim Brotherhood in the 1920s? |
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Successive US Governments have shown a regrettable tendency over the years to sup with the devil in the form of corrupt right wing regimes all over the globe. But I suppose that is realpolitik, US-style, in action. Until the collapse of the Soviet Union, US Governments were obsessed with countering international Communism and used the most unlikely of allies to achieve their aims. Now pigeons are coming home to roost. Americans have always been appallingly bad at understanding other peoples and other cultures, and this has led them to make mistake after terrible mistake in foreign adventures.
You say that
| Quote: | These same clerics are the origins of fundamentalist Islam in Saudi Arabia.
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I don't think that that is true. The Saudi Arabians are, I believe, followers of the extremist Wahabbi sect of Islam which had its origins over 200 years ago; and, as I understand it, moderate Muslims blame Wahabbism for most of the ills of modern, fundamentalist Islam.
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Newspeak International
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| Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | It is fundamentalist and extremist Islam that I am concerned about and its huge threat to our western freedoms and way of life.
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I think you'll find it is the governments intent to threaten our freedoms,and our way of life!
Or don't you keep up on the Civil Liberties aspect of the news?
Try reading the Independant or the Guardian for a few clues. |
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ConspiracyTheorySceptic
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| Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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Inside job wrote:
| Quote: | | I thought CTS was on the Left. Now, we know he's a paranoid delusional. Exactly how is Islamofascism a threat to economically and militarily powerful Western democracies? Could you briefly outline how Islamofacism is going to destroy "our freedoms"? |
Islamofascism is a threat to economically and militarily powerful Western democracies through terrorism. There is no doubt in most people's minds, whatever conspiracy theorists prefer to believe, that 9/11 was carried out by fundamentalist, Islamic terrorists. Also, that the 52 people who were killed on 7/7 last year, plus the 700 who were injured, were victims of Islamic terrorism.
What next? Would such people hesitate to explode a nuclear weapon if they ever acquired one. That is the great fear facing western democracies. Imagine the effect on western economies if a nuclear weapon were set off in New York or the City of London and most of the people who have the knowledge and skills to run the US or British economies were killed.
Our freedoms are already being destroyed. After the fatwa on Salman Rushdie, after the murder of Theo van Gogh for daring to criticise Islam, after the Danish cartoons furore, how many authors, writers, documentary makers, film makers, are hesitating to say anything critical of Islam for fear of the consequencies? One can only guess at the answer, but it is my contention that our freedoms of speech, our freedoms to criticise, yes, even our freedoms to insult and mock, which are the hallmark of a free society, are already being eroded.
There must have been hundreds of jokes and cartoons made and published during the last few years about paedophile Catholic priests? Did Catholic people take to the streets in riots, did they threaten the composers of these jokes and cartoons with death? Nothing that I ever heard of. But look what happened when the Danes published some mild cartoons that were only, in fact, fair comment on Islam.
Who, today, in Britain would dare to publish anything critical about Islam that Muslims might interpret as being insulting or mocking?
Our freedoms are already being eroded.
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Newspeak International
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| Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Our freedoms are already being eroded |
By our own government, so there's no dispute from you then CTS? |
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insidejob
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| Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 6:36 pm Post subject: Islamofascism |
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Yeh, CTS, right.
And can you explain how Islamofacism is a threat to Western societies? Or is it that the so and sos have a lot of the oil?
And can you explain why the US, UK and, no doubt, other Western powers funded the Muslim Brotherhood in Afghanistan to the tune of billions if they are such a threat?
And can you explain why it is that you're not a paranoid delusional about Muslims? |
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