Politicking putting this forum & campaign at risk

TonyGosling · Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 11:51 pm Post subject:

Truthwatch have failed to grasp what I am only just grasping myself.

That there are a lot of people out there, the non-muslims in West Yorkshire among them, who would like to see this site drop its focus on 9/11, intelligence analysis and the War on Terror and become a wider 'Truth Movement' site.

IMO that would be a diabolical dilution of what we have achieved here.
Which is that we appeal to a mainstream audience.
With all sorts of stuff like Free Energy, Chemtrails, Annunaki and the list goes on that's out the window.

Seems to me the No Planers, Directed energy beam weapon people and the Chemtrail brigade are getting bored with analysing 9/11 and 7/7. They want to see other stuff on the front page and get fed up with my moving their posts to the back pages.

If you want that stuff then I suggest you leave here take a hallucinogenic (if interesting) ride over to the official David Icke forum where such things are discussed right up front.

I for one would like to keep this space as focussed on WoT and Civil Liberties as possible.

chrisc · Validated Poster Joined: 31 Oct 2007 Posts: 154

ian neal · Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 11:41 pm Post subject:

paul wright · Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 12:21 am Post subject:

As I understand it, this forum is killed stone dead while two other forums/websites take its place. Seems pretty reasonable seeing there's so much divide here. Its always sad to be splitting with people with whom you've got a great lot of sympathy but you can always cross post

ian neal · Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 12:28 am Post subject:

John White · Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 12:48 am Post subject:

karlos · Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 12:54 am Post subject:

Will Simon as a gesture of magnanimousness redirect this URL to the new URLs?

ian neal · Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 12:59 am Post subject:

If you had followed things you would know this was always on offer from Simon

paul wright · Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 1:03 am Post subject:

ian neal · Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 1:13 am Post subject:

Splintering is only problematic if there are squabbles between different paths and initiatives. I see no need or reason for that. Live and let live. Those initiatives which are most effective and popular will flourish and those that aren't, won't.

Stefan · Banned Joined: 29 Aug 2006 Posts: 1219

If this is the descision made, I'll be cross posting as well, as I don't want to be involved in any fictional "divide" amongst us.

xmasdale · Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 9:40 am Post subject:

Pikey · Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 11:43 am Post subject:

Reposted next

Pikey · Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 11:48 am Post subject:

TonyGosling · Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 12:33 pm Post subject:

Fact is two factions have developed. Those who want this site to lose its focus on 9/11 and become a wider 'truth movement' site and those like me who want it to continue to focus on 9/11 and the war on terror.

Far better to acknowledge that split and allow both camps to go off in their different (alien and terrestial?) directions than to have a conflagration don't you think.

This isn't a split Paul, that split has already happened. Maybe it was there from the start, this would be acknowleging it rather than denying it.

ian neal · Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 12:38 pm Post subject:

Tony would own one URL and Ants the other.

The campaign site should be accountable to the committee (and no reason to think it's not).

TonyGosling · Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 8:03 pm Post subject:

Contingencies for when/if this forum hits a brick wall.

I have good reason to believe that, following a Mossad engineered false flag on US soil (US base?) here in the UK or Ireland, we can expect a brazen attack on Syria or Iran very soon.

But nobody knows whether this site will be here to discuss it ... since we've been told by the nineeleven domain owner Simon Aronowitz that the plug will be pulled on 16th June 2008.

Ants (I'm not sure if he actually uses this forum or not) still hasn't sorted out his end of things for the projected split and won't at least until next week. I have done everything possible to accommodate Ian Neal's plans for this transition but time to sort out the ISP side of things for me has now run out.

I will continue to admin and edit the forum but can no longer work on the site transition to a new URL, and/or ISP, except probably to fully replace the nineeleven.co.uk domain with my own 911forum.org.uk (at the moment that is just pointing at nineeleven.co.uk).

Because I have domestic committments until the second week in July I have explained to Ian on the phone that I expect him to continue to steward this site until that time.

I would love to email all the 911 forum users here to explain what's going on in detail but Ian Neal (sorry m8 but I have been asking you to fix this now for the past 7 months) has failed, with the ISP, to get the 'mass email' facility, which this forum provides for us all, working. The ISP won't do anything for me so Ian has to sort this, but he hasn't.

In November last year a decision was made to hand this site over to me in three month time. Yes, there is a certain amount of sour grapes on my part that this 'transition' has been so appallingly managed, delayed etc. and that Ian has not just handed responsibility over and let me get on with things so that situations like this don't arise.

The fact that we are STILL using Simon Aronowitz's www.nineeleven.co.uk is irresponsible, inexcusable, ridiculous. I started this thread to make people aware of the urgency of shifting URLs back in April but still nothing's been done. We agreed to shift URLs (not recorded in the minutes!) at a special meeting held at Belinda's in March, I find myself wondering what the point of such meetings is.

CONTINGENCIES
In the meantime, in case this site does go (hopefully only temporarily) tits up, I suggest everyone using this forum bookmarks the following two URLs and if this site is pulled by Simon Aronowitz please use them. Registering on the Bilderberg forum is much quicker and easier than here.

1. http://www.911forum.org.uk
2. https://217.72.179.7/members/www.bilderberg.org/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f =18

Sorry that it's come to this everybody. It's not the slapdash handling of your valuable contributions that I would allow were the site now my responsibility as promised back in October/November last year.

paul wright · Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 8:42 pm Post subject:

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ian neal · Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 10:08 am Post subject:

Frazzel · Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 10:36 am Post subject:

hi, i hope it can all get sorted out as iam currently using this site to do the necessary research to help re-vamp the 911campaign site. i and other researchers, need access to the valuable info thats available here.
iam not a technie - wish i was or i would willing offer my help with the transition. however iam willing to contribute a small monthly sum. i hope others out there will likewise offer some, however small, financial help.

Pikey · Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 12:41 pm Post subject:

Frazzel

The split is inevitable, ie the two sides dont agree with each other. it is better they have their own forums and get on with running them in the way they feel happiest with, rather than this single forum becoming bogged down with endless arguments about how it should be run. if a compromise cant be reached, which it looks like it cannot, better both sides respect each others differences, and work in their own ways. it is always better to avoid unnecessary conflict and this seem to be the best solution.
it could be a good thing because this site has been confused as being the voice of the 911 campaign and the two have got confused by th e public and msm journo's. if there are 2 forums, then they may be less likely to confuse the two forums with the 911 campaign.
HOPE OTHERS are willing to chip in with some dosh to help out the running of the new forum/s

Pikey · Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 4:07 pm Post subject:

ian neal · Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 4:38 pm Post subject:

I tried to arrange just such a poll amongst the campaign committee. Result: around 25% voted and opinion was divided. Hardly satisfactory

No one option will satisfy everyone so the 2 forum route is the one we are going for. It is not so much that our critics in the MSM are confused IMO. They know full well that this site is what it is: i.e. a public forum and it suits their interests to quote selectively from it in order to make what ever argument they wish. If people want to see a more professional presentation of the campaign, they will need to step forward and volunteer to make it happen. The forth coming AGM first weekend in July in Bristol is the chance to make such an offer.

Pikey · Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 4:54 pm Post subject:

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Pikey · Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 9:38 am Post subject:

ian neal · Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 9:52 am Post subject:

Steve, I suggest you read my post/thread 'throw your hats in the ring' March 11 and the start of this thread. All the details are explained there.

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