Jon Ronson on CNN.

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Is Jon Ronson a shill?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpFT6doERhY&p=C7FE445DCCC1C6&index=18

[scubadiver]

Not wishing to sound too ignorant, so what is a "shill"?

[Andrew Johnson]

A shill is someone who "agrees to toe the party line", perhaps for payment.

My own view of Jon Ronson is that he is a nice guy. Somehow, he seems to be in partial denial of the conclusions that can be drawn from evidence that he has gathered. Perhaps he thinks everyone's a "nice guy", like him, and he couldn't contemplate the real reasons for secretive meetings in places like Bohemian Grove, where he himself has been. (He just basically thinks that it is a "bit of fun", if a little "formalised")

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[flamesong]

I think you only need look at the forum on his website to gauge Jon Ronson's contribution to exposing the truth - he is more interested in being a smart arsed píss-taker and his entourage seek to emulate him. Anything remotely serious on the forum eventually condenses to some lowest common denomenator discussion at the level of celebrity trivia.

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[alkmyst]

Having had the opportunity to witness one of Jon Ronson's talks to promote his book 'Them', which he produced after his pathetic attempt to investigate the Bilderbergers; I and many others in the audience regraded him as self-delusional.

Perhaps the enormity of his research is realised at some deep level within his consciousness... an enormity so abhorrent that it manifests as cognitive dissonance.

Either that ...or he's a shill!

Al K Myst

[jonronson]

Hello all,

Answer me this. Where are the people who were on the plane that didn't hit the Pentagon? Living on a Lost-style island?

Best

Jon "shill" Ronson

[John White]

Good morning Mr Ronson

Could I firstly mention that a lot of people give you stick for films like "david Icke + the Lizard men" but I consider that you were actually fairly fair and balanced in that one, I quite enjoyed it, and your Alex Jones peice too

Its a good question you ask ( a little teasily, but when word like "shill" get bandied around, I cant blame you)

theres many hypothesis that may well answer it: some of them will no doubt be a little "fruity" for the average taste

For my part, I will advance this one:

Its entirely possible that they were on the planes (not just the pentagon, but the two that hit the towers and the one that ended its flight strewn across pensylvania)

And even if the truth turned out to be in line with the hypothesis that none of those planes actually hit what they appeared to hit, those people could still very well be on the planes they are stated as being on, and some other fate could have befallen them

None of which is in itself evidance that 19 islamic fundamentalists armed with stanley knives where on the planes or had anything to do with their subsequent fate: there is of course very little evidance that they were

And of course the de-classified "Operation Northwoods" plans clearly show that such shennaigans are hardly beyond the contemplation of the PTB: or at least factions within them

Have you ever heard of remote drone technology?

Are you aware that the capability to manage a planes flight from takeoff to landing has existed since the 1960's and most certainly exists today?

Have you considered that, for a dedicated intelligence operation, a cabin decompression or tranquilising gas in a ventilation system are hardly difficult technical matters to accomplish?

In particular, I would reccommend a look at the information regarding the standdown of Norad, the protection of these terrorists in the months preceding 911 as assests of US intelligence:

And of course the use of Thermate in the controlled demolition of WTC 1, 2 and 7

Considering the balance of all of the above, reasonably feasable scenarios regarding the fate of the passengers on the "hijacked jets" should not be too difficult for an intelligent and flexible mind to concieve: provided there is not a rigid belief system to defend

Do you have a preference for which of the above areas you would like to start examing first? I'm sure comprehensive links could be provided for you

[Leiff]

If say, a bank robbery has occurred, the fact that you don't know where the money is hidden shouldn't make you disbelieve that a bank robbery has occurred.

[Andrew Johnson]

Jon,

Thanks for posting on our forum. Forgive me if I suggest it might not be really you posting. There's just a possibility that it's not you.

For myself, I have more questions than answers. However, I have enough answers to PROVE the official story of 9/11 is FALSE in all its main elements.

If we had better access to all the documents and evidence that has/have been withheld, we might have even more answers.

One possible answer to your question:

[kbo234]

[mason-free party]

Ronson's strings are being pulled by the 'berg' mafia[Lundberg] so you can bet there is a zionist agenda somewhere in what he does like most of the zionist television bs we have to suffer.


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Hello all,

Answer me this. Where are the people who were on the plane that didn't hit the Pentagon? Living on a Lost-style island?

Best

Jon "shill" Ronson
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Is this guy for real or what?

[jonronson]

Damn! You got me! I'm part of the Jewish conspiracy. Just a dirty Jew pulling the strings...

[ianrcrane]

Jon Ronson wrote:

[jonronson]

Oh come on. I know the difference between anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism. And that post above mine crossed the line. As a Jew who abhors the actions of the Israeli government, I am sickened by people who use these kinds of code words. And I don't use these terms lightly. I have written a book (Them) about crazy anti-racist groups who deliberately target radicals with false accusations of anti-Semitism, by claiming they use anti-semitic code words when they don't. But that post above mine was anti-Semitic.

[Andrew Johnson]

Jon and others,

We can make this thread's content a list of vitriolic claims and counter-claims about zionism/anti-semitism etc, or we can try to answer each other's questions in a civil manner.

I for one tried to offer an answer to Jon's question, and I posed Jon a serious question in return. To help solidify or modify my own opinion about the BBC, do you (Jon) have any thoughts to offer about the question I posed? If you don't, that's fine by me and if you do, it's fine by me as well. I was merely hoping there may be mutual benefit in sharing ideas - which is, I think, at the base of why most people post here, despite the "veneer" being a trading of insults and accusations in a number of cases.

Thanks

[ianrcrane]

MFP wrote:

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[kbo234]

[jonronson]

"...the zionist television bs we have to suffer..."

Which Zionists control television then?

I know all about Bilderberg smear tactics. I also know how to spell Bilderberg. It is with an e, not a u. I also spent five years of my life investigating Bilderberg. Don't teach your granny how to suck eggs.

[paul wright]

I would suggest that Jon Ronson or his facsimile is a second Rachel North designed to bring this forum into disrepute, and should only be replied to with extreme politeness and referral to known facts. Anything that could possibly be construed as hostility to race, colour, creed, sexual orientation, or personal should be filtered out. All human responses should be filtered out, because if this is the real Jon, you know that this will be used to damage through know-it-all humorous sarcasm, in the Guardian and on the TV, the 9/11 Truth campaign Possibly part of an ongoing project
Do not mention Zionists, bankers or lizards. These and many others will be taken as code words for "Jews" even if not intended as such
The impassioned well-intended should shut it now on this and any other thread he cares to join
Be sure and double-sure that all responses cannot be used against us at some future point

Hmmm - this guy dh is obviously clinically paranoid.

[Justin]

Jon said

[Abandoned Ego]

Jon. If you are truly here to debate the issues we raise, as opposed to pulling the illuminated race card, you might do yourself a real favour by investigating the issues we are raising.

Regrettably all I see from you is an attempt to drag this thread down to the age old divide and conquer stuff which your masters wish.

You notice I did say YOUR masters Jon !

How about answering some of the litany of serious questions we have asked on this thread? Those which any true investigative journalist worth his salt would be chomping at the bit to get his teeth into. As opposed to getting involved in the kind of petty jibes that YOUR masters wish you to

Otherwise to quote Mr Galloway, then what are we, as a community to think of you ?

"If it looks like a (lame ) duck, walks like one, blablabla."

[kbo234]

[paul wright]

I'd agree with Justin's comments elsewhere that events going on in the ME are an entree to the opening phase of the final showdown. This could easily go nuclear
It's hardly surprising if the meek and humble acting Ronson should start to play a part here
He has the capacity to behave as a shill with regards to the intellectual, left-leaning and liberal parts of the population. You give Jon Henry Makow, he'll use it against you
Handle with care
God, this guy is paranoid

[jonronson]

"If you want some evidence that Zionists control the media, WATCH THE NEWS. Israel is always the victim."

I gave a talk to a Jewish organisation a little while ago, and you know what they started yelling at me? "Why is Israel always painted as the Devil in the British media...?"

They were talking crazy talk, and so are you! No offence. Obviously I consider the people on this forum who are being complimentary to me to be less paranoid than the people on this forum who aren't, but even so, I don't think this is a match made in heaven, so i will take my leave from you now...

Bye

[Justin]

Jon, I'm sorry you couldn't comment on what I said here:

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