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 Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 2:13 pm Post subject: Conspiracy Files Special - Building 7 (WTC7) |
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/conspiracy_files/7330169.stm
| Quote: | Hidden behind the Twin Towers stood World Trade Centre Building 7. This 610ft (186m), 47 storey skyscraper also collapsed on 11 September 2001.
An anonymous building from the outside it housed some very special occupants: the CIA, the Secret Service, and the very agency meant to combat terrorist attacks - the Office of Emergency Management.
According to the official explanation, this is the first and only building in the world to collapse solely due to fire.
For those who question the official account of what happened on 9/11, Building 7 has become a rallying cry. They think it can unlock a massive conspiracy.
Unlike the Twin Towers, WTC 7 was never hit by a plane. There were few outward signs of extensive damage of this 47 storey building. Yet it collapsed in a few seconds.
Afterwards, all of the many thousands of tonnes of steel from the building were taken away to be melted down in the Far East.
The Conspiracy Files reports as the final official report on Building 7 is due to be published, nearly seven years on from 9/11.
Producer and Director: Mike Rudin
Assistant Producer: James Giles
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ok, that'll be REALLY interesting. Suppose they'll explain it away quite easily.  
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We know where this going -
"Truthers fail to acknowledge massive damage and fires to the south side of the buildings"
"It was widley accepted the building would fall"
"A collapse zone had already been cordoned off"
And here's Davin Coburn from popular mechanics -
"Once you learn how the building was designed, the idea it was a controlled demolition simply holds no water"
Add a few of the least credible truth researchers shot with fish eye lens on cameras, possibly throw in an acusation of anti-Semitism or two and bobs your uncle.
I hope I'm wrong - but does anyone really think I will be?
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| Stefan wrote: | We know where this going -
"Truthers fail to acknowledge massive damage and fires to the south side of the buildings"
"It was widley accepted the building would fall"
"A collapse zone had already been cordoned off"
And here's Davin Coburn from popular mechanics -
"Once you learn how the building was designed, the idea it was a controlled demolition simply holds no water"
Add a few of the least credible truth researchers shot with fish eye lens on cameras, possibly throw in an acusation of anti-Semitism or two and bobs your uncle.
I hope I'm wrong - but does anyone really think I will be? |
If the programme does not quote Richard Gage of ae911truth.org http://www.ae911truth.org/ then it is a whitewash. If it does then... then it could be a watershed!
Whitewash or watershed... I can hardly wait!  |
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I exchanged a couple of emails with Michael Rudin and he confirmed that he has interviewed both Richard Gage and Steven Jones and also approached Andrew Johnson and Judy Woods who declined the invitation as detailed here
http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/cms/index.php?option=com_content&tas k=view&id=168&Itemid=60
Also in the series will be another visit to the Diana theories and July 7. There is a long thread here detailing the refusal by most (but not all) July 7 voices to co-operate with the BBC |
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| Stefan wrote: | We know where this going -
"Truthers fail to acknowledge massive damage and fires to the south side of the buildings"
"It was widley accepted the building would fall"
"A collapse zone had already been cordoned off"
And here's Davin Coburn from popular mechanics -
"Once you learn how the building was designed, the idea it was a controlled demolition simply holds no water"
Add a few of the least credible truth researchers shot with fish eye lens on cameras, possibly throw in an acusation of anti-Semitism or two and bobs your uncle.
I hope I'm wrong - but does anyone really think I will be? |
Not wrong imo.
Missing a few things like, "nutcases", "racists" and "are you even listening ?" and "flying saucers", Silversteins refrain, diesel fuel, 8 and a bit hours of arguable extent of fire and bingo, what do you know anyway ?
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| This is the second series, right? Did it just start? Was Diana the first one? Why is this the first time I've heard about this series? |
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The BBC blogs are accepting comments (badly, as usual). One of mine has got into Mike Rudin's lastest blog entry (which is mainly about Diana). And most comments so far are about Diana (Somebody there pointed out Diana's change of clothes which I thought was kind of interesting...)
Anyway here's the blog URL...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2008/04/case_closed.html#comment sanchor |
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I'm personally glad that Andrew Johnson and Judy Woods will not get a platform for their ideas on this programme. I think they are correct in assuming their theories will be ridiculed by the BBC and the public at large.
I think this would happen even if the BBC presented their ideas in the most sympathetic manner possible. |
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I'm inclined to think that it will be a hit piece after seeing what associate producer Jame Giles was previously involved in:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/panorama/2264844.stm
Making the case for war against Saddam - a panorama special from September 2002. Within the programme...
"Using testimony from top scientists in the west, and from defectors who have fled the regime carrying its secrets, Panorama examines Saddam's history of developing nuclear, chemical and biological weapons and reveals just what he still has in his arsenal and where it is hidden."
I presume the BBC didn't speak to "Top Scientist" David Kelly until much later. |
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oh dear.
and i heard that the bbc have been talking to that mentally ill no-planer guy, nico haupt.
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| zennon wrote: | | This is the second series, right? Did it just start? Was Diana the first one? Why is this the first time I've heard about this series? |
The article says:
The Third Tower on 9/11: The Conspiracy Files
Coming Soon, Summer 2008
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On the one hand we have these programmes showing the events to the viewer with dodgy explanations.On the other hand the more they expose and show the events the more they run the risk of more people (without the emotive effect of the actual day) possibly realising what a sham the whole day was.
There's a part of me thinking this is what they want to happen,as a factor in the eventual change they seek.
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| yes it is the second series and I too missed the diana programme |
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| Pikey wrote: | http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/cms/index.php?option=com_content&tas k=view&id=168&Itemid=60
Top quality work done again by Andrew Johnson. Thanx for bringing that to our attention Ian. |
I agree it's an interesting exchange but I disagree with your assessment.
Andrew Johnson sounds like the shrill stereotype of a crackpot conspiracy theorist throughout this email exchange while the BBC man simply keeps his cool.
As I said, it can only be a good thing that Andrew Johnson and Judy Wood will not air their views on television. They are saving us as well as themselves from damaging and inevitable ridicule. |
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| If it is true that they have interviewed Nico Haupt then multiply any damage 100 fold |
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http://libertyforlife.com/eye-openers/911/wtc7demolition.htm
Its an old article but in case it has not been posted already here it is. The above link has a lot of graphics which I have not included below, apart from one very telling picture.
| Quote: | Government Refuses to Consider Cause of 47 story World Trade Center skyscraper Building 7 Demolition
by David R. Kimball (Graphics Added)
“It is natural for man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth … For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst, and to provide for it.”
-- Patrick Henry
“The important thing is to never stop questioning.”
-- Albert Einstein
Everyone remembers the Twin Towers exploding at 9:59AM and 10:28AM EDT on September 11, 2001. Comparatively few people can recall that there was a third massive skyscraper, also a part of the World Trade Center, which fell very rapidly to the ground on that day. This was World Trade Center Building 7.1
One reason that few remember WTC Building 7’s collapse is that after September 11th it has been treated, both in the media and in The 9/11 Commission Report, as if it didn’t happen.
“The total collapse of the third huge skyscraper late in the afternoon September 11th was reported as if it were an insignificant footnote... most people never saw video of Building 7’s collapse… Incredibly, it is virtually impossible to find any mention of Building 7 in newspapers, magazines, or broadcast media reports after September 11th.” 2
“The Commission avoids another embarrassing problem – explaining how WTC 7 could have collapsed, also virtually at free-fall speed – by simply not mentioning the collapse of this building.” 3
The collapse of Building 7 at 5:20PM EDT was in itself a major event; the sudden and unexplained fall to earth of a 47-story steel-framed skyscraper is certainly news. Why has there been almost no mention of this in the U.S. corporate mass-media, and why was there no mention of Building 7’s collapse in The 9/11 Commission Report? These are questions of great significance, and they cry out for answers. To be able to approach any kind of explanation, however, first some pertinent and verified facts of the Building 7 aspect of 9/11 need to be scrutinized.
The following eleven facts have been compiled from the research of reputable sources – those who have dared to question and have devoted innumerable hours into discovering what really happened on 9/11.
FACT 1: WTC Building 7 was one of the largest buildings in downtown Manhattan. It was 47 stories tall, about half the height of the Towers, and took up an entire city block. It was 300 feet from the closest Twin Tower (the North Tower, WTC 1), and was a steel-framed, concrete structure.4
FACT 2: WTC Building 7 – on its 23rd floor – housed an Emergency Command Center for the City of New York that Mayor Rudolph Giuliani had built in the mid-1990’s. On the morning of September 11th, Mayor Giuliani did not go “to his Command Center – with its clear view of the Twin Towers – but to a makeshift, street-level headquarters at 75 Barkley Street.” WTC 7 also held the offices of numerous government agencies, including the U.S. Department of Defense, the CIA, the Secret Service, the IRS, and the Security and Exchange Commission.5 Late 2001 was the time of “the height of the investigation into Enron, so the majority of Enron’s SEC filings were likely destroyed when World Trade Center 7 came down.”6
FACT 3: WTC Building 7 was not hit by airplane or significant debris on September 11th. It had been evacuated after the planes hit the towers. By the afternoon of September 11th, there were a few small fires of unknown origin evident in the building, and these small fires could be seen in only a few of the hundreds and hundreds of windows in the building.7
FACT 4: On 11 September 2001, at 5:20PM, EDT, World Trade Center Building 7 suddenly and rapidly collapsed. Beginning with the penthouse, all 47 stories of it imploded into its own footprint in less than seven seconds. Three different videos of Building 7’s vertical collapse – two from CBS video broadcasts, and one from an NBC news camera – can be seen online, LINK.
FACT 5: On 16 September , NASA flew an airplane over the World Trade Center site, recorded infrared radiation coming from the ground, and created a thermal map. The U.S. Geological Survey analyzed this data, and determined the actual temperature of the rubble. This map shows that five days after the collapse of Building 7, the surface temperature of a section of its rubble was 1,341º F.8 This high a temperature is indicative of the use of explosives.
“WTC 7’s rubble pile continued to smolder for months.”9
FACT 6: Fire Engineering magazine is the 125-year-old paper-of-record of the fire engineering community. Bill Manning, editor-in-chief, wrote an Editor’s Opinion in the January, 2002 edition. His editorial, $elling Out the Investigation, pointed out that destruction of evidence – the hurried removal of rubble which should be examined by investigators – is illegal. He also issued a “call to action”. To quote excerpts:
“For more than three months, structural steel from the World Trade Center has been and continues to be cut up and sold for scrap. Crucial evidence that could answer many questions … is on the slow boat to China …”
“I have combed through our national standard for fire investigation, NFPA 921, but nowhere in it does one find an exemption allowing the destruction of evidence for buildings over 10 stories tall.”
“Fire Engineering has good reason to believe that the ‘official investigation’ blessed by FEMA [Federal Emergency Management Agency] and run by the American Society of Civil Engineers is a half baked farce [emphasis mine] that may have already been commandeered by political forces whose primary interests, to put it mildly, lie far afield of full disclosure. Except for the marginal benefit obtained from a three-day, visual walk-through of evidence sites conducted by ASCE investigation committee members – described by one close source as a ‘tourist trip’ – no one’s checking evidence for anything.”
“The destruction and removal of evidence must stop immediately.”
“Firefighters, this is your call to action. …contact your representatives in Congress and officials in Washington and help us correct this problem immediately.” 10 11
FACT 7: In May of 2002, FEMA published their report #403 titled World Trade Center Building Performance Study. This report claims that the fires caused the building to collapse, but that the specifics of how this is supposed to have occurred “…remain unknown at this time.”12
FACT 8: The collapse of WTC Building 7 shows five characteristics of a controlled demolition:
It “dropped directly into its own footprint in a smooth, vertical motion”;
It “collapsed completely in less than seven seconds”;
“Dust streamed out of the upper floors of Building 7 early in its collapse”;
“WTC 7’s roof inverted toward its middle as the collapse progressed”; and
“WTC 7’s rubble was mostly confined to the block on which the building stood.”13
FACT 9: “Larry Silverstein is a rather large player within the realms of 21st Century real estate, finance, and politics.”14 He “…had taken out a long lease on the World Trade Center only six weeks before 9/11. In a PBS documentary entitled ‘America Rebuilds’, originally aired in September of 2002, Silverstein made the following statement about Building 7:
‘I remember getting a call from the, er, fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, “We’ve had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.” And they made that decision to pull, and we watched the building collapse.’” 15 16
FACT 10: “It is inconceivable that anyone could be running around placing explosives in exactly the right places all within seven hours. In fact, implosions take a minimum of two weeks and up to two months to plan and place the charges. The fire department of New York does not even train their personnel to do controlled demolition. They are done by highly skilled experienced specialists who plan and test far ahead.”17
FACT 11: “… [George W.] Bush’s brother, Marvin Bush, and his cousin, Wirt Walker III, were principles in the company [Stratesec, formerly named Securacom] that was in charge of security for the World Trade Center, with Walker being the CEO from 1999 until January 2002.”18
In summation: A major aspect of 9/11 has been excluded from the entire U.S. media after September 11th, and was also omitted from The 9/11 Commission Report. This was the sudden fall to earth, on September 11th, 2001, of World Trade Center Building 7. Not hit by airplane or significant debris, 300 feet from the closest Twin Tower, and with just a few small fires burning within it, at 5:20PM EDT this massive concrete and steel-framed 47-story skyscraper imploded into its own footprint in less than seven seconds. Its rapid implosion had all of the characteristics of a controlled demolition, and the World Trade Center leaseholder, Larry Silverstein, stated in so many words that the building had been collapsed by demolition. It takes weeks, if not months, to prepare the demolition of a building as large as WTC 7; this implosion could not have been engineered and implemented in seven chaotic hours on September 11th. Therefore, a question emerges:
Who had the means and expertise to engineer such a demolition and acquire needed materiel, and who had access to WTC Building 7 PRIOR TO September 11, 2001 in order to place the explosives?
An inquiry into the answer to this question might be a good place to begin a search for the real perpetrators of 9/11. Do we, the citizens of the United States, have the courage and honesty necessary to initiate an actual investigation, or will we continue living a Lie – and reap the consequences?
Footnotes
1 Jim Hoffman: http://wtc7.net/
2 Jim Hoffman: http://wtc7.net/
3 David Ray Griffin, The 9/11 Commission Report – Omissions and Distortions (Olive Branch Press, 2005), 28
4 Don Paul and Jim Hoffman, Waking Up From Our Nightmare (Irresistible/Revolutionary, 2004), 5-20
5 Don Paul and Jim Hoffman, 18
6 Barry Zwicker, The 9/11 News Special You Never Saw, Global Outlook magazine (Issue 9, Fall/Winter 2005), 19
7 Eric Hufschmid, Painful Questions – An Analysis of the September 11th Attack (Endpoint Software, 2002), 62-65
8 Eric Hufschmid, 69-70
9 Don Paul and Jim Hoffman, 10
10 Eric Hufschmid, 5-6
11 Fire Engineering magazine, January 2002
12 Eric Hufschmid, 7-8
13Don Paul and Jim Hoffman, 8-10
14 Don Paul and Jim Hoffman, 20
15 David Ray Griffin, 28
16 For video footage of Silverstein’s statement, see Eric Hufschmid’s video Painful Deceptions, edited and narrated by ReOpen911.org (911busters.com, www.EricHufschmid.net).
17 Narration from Eric Hufschmid’s video Painful Deceptions, edited and narrated by ReOpen911.org
18 David Ray Griffin, 31-32 |
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