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1) President Obama’s Newsweek interview: “A Highly Logical Approach” (17 May 2009)
2) Remarks by President Obama and Prime Minister Netanyahu of Israel in press availability (18 May 2009)
3) Hearing of the State, Foreign Operations and Related Programs Subcommittee of the Senate Appropriations Committee
[witness: Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton] (20 May 2009)
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http://www.newsweek.com/id/197891/output/print
excerpts from Obama’s Newsweek interview: “A Highly Logical Approach”
by Jon Meacham, Newsweek, 17 May 2009 (from the magazine issue dated May 25, 2009)
| Quote: | NEWSWEEK: Prime Minister Netanyahu is coming [to Washington this week]. How do you expect to talk to him about the possibility of Israeli military action against Iran? And some people have argued that we should not take [American military action] off the table.
OBAMA: I've been very clear that I don't take any options off the table with respect to Iran. I don't take options off the table when it comes to U.S. security, period.
What I have said is that we want to offer Iran an opportunity to align itself with international norms […] [and stop posing] a threat to its neighbors. […]
If it doesn't work, the fact that we have tried will strengthen our position in mobilizing the international community, and Iran will have isolated itself, as opposed to a perception that it seeks to advance that somehow it's being victimized by a U.S. government that doesn't respect Iran's sovereignty.
NEWSWEEK: And you would expect the Israelis, as an ally, to follow along with that and not take unilateral [military] action?
OBAMA: No, look, I understand very clearly that Israel considers Iran an existential threat, and given some of the statements that have been made by President Ahmadinejad, you can understand why. […] They're right there in range and I don't think it's my place to determine for the Israelis what their security needs are. […] |
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| Quote: | “ […] Iran obtaining a nuclear weapon would not only be a threat to Israel and a threat to the United States, but would be profoundly destabilizing in the international community as a whole and could set off a nuclear arms race in the Middle East that would be extraordinarily dangerous for all concerned, […]
The important thing is to make sure that there is a clear timetable of -- at which point we say these talks don’t seem to be making any serious progress. ” |
[US President Barack Obama, joint press conference with the Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, 18 May 2009]
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| Quote: | “A nuclear-armed Iran with a deliverable weapons system is going to spark an arms race in the Middle East and the greater region. […] [W]e see a growing recognition among a number of countries that they do not want this eventuality to take place. So we're having serious conversations with many beyond the immediate region.
I don't want to go into details, because […] we don't want to be telegraphing everything we're doing. But the strategy which we are laying out does have a time frame, as the president [Obama] said during his meeting with Prime Minister Netanyahu. |
[US Foreign Minister Hillary Clinton, Senate Appropriations Committee hearing, 20 May 2009]
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[1] Remarks by President Obama and Prime Minister Netanyahu of Israel in press availability
The White House website, 18 May 2009
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Remarks-by-President-Obama- and-Israeli-Prime-Minister-Netanyahu-in-press-availability/
[2] Hearing of the State, Foreign Operations and Related Programs Subcommittee of the Senate Appropriations Committee
Federal News Service, 20 May 2009
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| Quote: | | “When you see the gas chambers, the concentration camps, […] [t]hese memories can never leave you, but it makes you absolutely determined that we should not ever allow this to happen again.” |
[UK Prime Minister Gordon Brown, interview at the Auschwitz-Birkenau concentration camp, 28 April 2009] [1]
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| Quote: | | “How do we ensure that “never again” isn’t an empty slogan, or merely an aspiration, but also a call to action?” |
[US President Barack Obama, Holocaust Remembrance Day ceremony at the United States Capitol, Washington D.C. , 23 April 2009] [2]
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| Quote: | | “We will not allow Holocaust deniers to carry out another Jewish Holocaust. This is the supreme commitment of the State of Israel, and it is my supreme commitment as Prime Minister of Israel.” |
[Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, Holocaust Remembrance Day speech in Jerusalem, 20 April 2009] [3]
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| Quote: | | “So let me be clear: Iran’s nuclear and ballistic missile activity poses a real threat, not just to the United States, but to Iran’s neighbors and our allies.” |
[US President Barack Obama’s speech in Prague, 5 April 2009] [4]
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| Quote: | | “The threats to Israel’s security… [include] an Iranian regime that sponsors terrorism, pursues nuclear weapons and threatens Israel’s existence” |
[US presidential candidate Barack Obama, speech in Sderot, Israel, 23 July 2008] [5]
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| Quote: | | “I think that we Americans joining with our European allies can impose significant and very impactful sanctions on Iran which I think could modify their behaviour. I would hope that we could succeed in that direction and I have some optimism we can, but I have to look you in the eye and tell you that the United States of America can never allow a second Holocaust.” |
[US presidential candidate John McCain, interview with Israel’s Channel 2, 21 July 2008] [6]
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[1] PM’s words at the Auschwitz-Birkenau concentration camp(29 April 2009)
http://dandelionsalad.wordpress.com/2009/04/21/israeli-prime-minister- we-will-not-allow-holocaust-deniers-to-carry-out-another-jewish-holoca ust/
[2] Remarks by the President at the Holocaust Days of Remembrance Ceremony (23 April 2009)
http://dandelionsalad.wordpress.com/2009/04/21/israeli-prime-minister- we-will-not-allow-holocaust-deniers-to-carry-out-another-jewish-holoca ust/
[3] Address by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Holocaust Martyrs’ and Heroes’ Remembrance Day (20 April 2009)
http://dandelionsalad.wordpress.com/2009/04/21/israeli-prime-minister- we-will-not-allow-holocaust-deniers-to-carry-out-another-jewish-holoca ust/
[4] Remarks by President Barack Obama in Prague as Delivered (5 April 2009)
http://dandelionsalad.wordpress.com/2009/04/07/obama-irans-nuclear-and -ballistic-missile-activity-poses-a-real-threat-to-its-neighbors/
[5] Obama’s Speech in Sderot, Israel (28 July 2008)
http://dandelionsalad.wordpress.com/2008/07/28/quotes-on-iran-by-obama -brown-sarkozy-and-merkel/
[6] US will never allow second Holocaust: McCain (22 July 2008)
http://www.theage.com.au/world/us-election-2008/us-will-never-allow-se cond-holocaust-mccain-20080722-3iy0.html
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FULL ON!!
Holocaust remembrance is a boon for Israeli propaganda
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1145670.html
By Gideon Levy
Israel's bigwigs attacked at dawn on a wide front. The president in Germany, the prime minister with a giant entourage in Poland, the foreign minister in Hungary, his deputy in Slovakia, the culture minister in France, the information minister at the United Nations, and even the Likud party's Druze Knesset member, Ayoob Kara, in Italy. They were all out there to make florid speeches about the Holocaust.
Yesterday was International Holocaust Remembrance Day, and an Israeli public relations drive like this hasn't been seen for ages. The timing of the unusual effort - never have so many ministers deployed across the globe - is not coincidental: When the world is talking Goldstone, we talk Holocaust, as if out to blur the impression. When the world talks occupation, we'll talk Iran as if we wanted them to forget.
It won't help much. International Holocaust Remembrance Day has passed, the speeches will soon be forgotten, and the depressing everyday reality will remain. Israel will not come out looking good, even after the PR campaign.
On the eve of his departure, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu spoke at Yad Vashem. "There is evil in the world," he said. "Evil must be stamped out at the beginning." Some people are "trying to deny the truth." Lofty words, said by the same person who only the day before, not quite in the same breath, uttered very different words, words of true evil, evil that should be extinguished at the start, evil that Israel is trying to hide.
Netanyahu spoke of a new "migration policy," one that is evil through and through. He malevolently lumped together migrant workers and wretched refugees - warning that they all endanger Israel, lower our wages, harm our security, make us into a third-world country and bring in drugs. He zealously supported our racist interior minister, Eli Yishai, who has spoken of the migrants as the spreaders of diseases such as hepatitis, tuberculosis, AIDS and God knows what else.
No Holocaust speech will erase these words of incitement and slander against migrants. No remembrance speech will obliterate the xenophobia that has reared its head in Israel, not only on the extreme right, as in Europe, but throughout government.
We have a prime minister who speaks about evil but is building a fence to prevent war refugees from knocking at Israel's door. A prime minister who speaks about evil but shares the crime of the Gaza blockade, now in its fourth year, leaving 1.5 million people in disgraceful conditions. A prime minister in whose country settlers perpetrate pogroms against innocent Palestinians under the slogan "price tag," which also has horrific historical connotations, but against whom the state does virtually nothing.
This is the prime minister of a state that arrests hundreds of left-wing protesters against the injustices of the occupation and the war in Gaza, while time grants mass pardons to the right-wingers who demonstrated against the disengagement. In his speech yesterday, Netanyahu's equating Nazi Germany with fundamentalist Iran was no more than cheap propaganda. Talk about "degrading the Holocaust." Iran isn't Germany, Ahmedinejad isn't Hitler and equating them is no less spurious than equating Israeli soldiers with Nazis.
The Holocaust must not be forgotten, and there is no need to compare it with anything. Israel must take part in the efforts to keep its memory alive, but in doing so it must show up with clean hands, clean of evil of their own doing. And it must not arouse suspicion that it is cynically using the memory of the Holocaust to obliterate and blur other things. Regrettably, this is not the case.
How beautiful it would have been if on this international day of remembrance Israel had taken the time to examine itself, look inward and ask, for example, how it is that anti-Semitism has reared its head in the world precisely in the past year, the year after we dropped white-phosphorous bombs on Gaza. How beautiful it would have been if on this International Holocaust Remembrance Day, Netanyahu had declared a new policy for integrating refugees instead of expulsion, or lifted the Gaza blockade.
A thousand speeches against anti-Semitism will not extinguish the flames ignited by Operation Cast Lead, flames that threaten not only Israel but the entire Jewish world. As long as Gaza is under blockade and Israel sinks into its institutionalized xenophobia, Holocaust speeches will remain hollow. As long as evil is rampant here at home, neither the world nor we will be able to accept our preaching to others, even if they deserve it.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1145670.html
http://www.radio4all.net/files/turntableterrorist@hotmail.com/4042-1-d ialect_300110.mp3
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Saturday, 23 January 2010
Ten Days of Holocaust 'News' and Ten Fair Questions
The following question may appear to be nothing other than a reference to the obvious for anyone who has been paying attention to the media and politics over the last 40 years. However, this phenomenon is surely worth close inspection and serious reflection.
How does 'The Holocaust' manage to remain a major NEWS story, day in day out, 70 years after the event? (see below, at the foot of this article, a selection of holocaust-related stories that have appeared in the news media over the last 10 days)
Should we not be amazed by this reality?
I was around in the 1950's and 1960's and I cannot remember it being any kind of news story at all until about 1968/9. It was then that the narrative began to be rolled out.
Many have said this before, but 'The Holocaust' made no appearance in the autobiographies of Churchill, De Gaulle and Eisenhower.
....then suddenly, 1970-ish, we were being faced with the entire horror....including "4 million" Auschwitz dead, industrially exterminated in gas chambers, their skin used for lampshades, their hair for pillows...
The story has been running ever since, though the "4 million" has become "1.1 million"(I think, it depends who you ask) and the skin/hair allegations have been quietly dropped.
Some questions arise here but voicing them about such a terrible matter feels, initially at least, offensive and inappropriate.
However, if we let these questions pass (for now) there are others that it is very fair to ask. Considering the possible consequences for ourselves. It is also surely fair to demand an occasional answer.
Here we go then:
1) Why does 'The Holocaust' continue to be a DAILY NEWS EVENT (and such a dominant feature in our culture) 70 years after it happened?
2) Why is it not used to promote peace and non-violence but rather used as a justification for starting new wars of aggression? Is our governments' support of the extreme Israeli violence in Gaza, for example, connected in any way to 'Holocaust' propaganda?
3) Has 'The Holocaust' been used as a psychological tool to extort money for Israel from the Americans and other countries, allowing Israel to recycle billions back into these and other western political systems to the point where it is able to control them (i.e. us)?
Looking at the facts, this is a fair question.
4) Has 'The Holocaust' embedded a 'guilt complex' into white western societies and could such a guilt complex be making us submissive, more generally, to the interests of powerful Jews?
5) Is it possible that we have put our own lives and societies at risk by falling prey to a cynical and very calculated power-grab by forces,Jewish and non-Jewish alike (using 'The Holocaust' as a primary tool), that are determined to subjugate and control us all? In other words, is it an essential tool in the establishment of a 'New World Order'?
6) Why is critical discussion of 'The Holocaust' absolutely forbidden (to the point of being illegal in France and Germany)? Should anything present such a great taboo when the consequences of respecting this taboo are so potentially serious (and even catastrophic) for the rest of us? If people like Germar Rudolph are put in jail for presenting what were results of a scientific investigation, should this reality not be, in itself, a very serious cause for concern? What kind of principle is operating here? Scientific facts or falsehoods can surely be dealt with openly via further experimental testing.
7) If we look around the USA and the UK and notice that Zionist Jews are in control of the arts and almost the entire media, if we look at the banks and large corporations and see Jews (mostly identifiably Zionist) massively over-represented, if we see Zionist Jewish moneymen funding our political leaders and parties, if we notice that our foreign ministries are dominated by Zionist Jews......are we entitled to ask how a single group has acquired such disproportionate wealth and influence over us.?
8 ) Are we entitled to ask, "Does this reality not demonstrably indicate a most active and definite racism being practiced by this group? Therefore, has the great societal taboo of 'anti-semitism' given cover for the promoters of the 'anti-racist' and 'diversity' agendas amongst us to disable society via 'holocaust propaganda' and 'multiculturalism' while practising a ferocious racism of their own?
9) Are we entitled to ask, "Is 'The Holocaust' stuck in our faces every day of our lives so that we might remain afraid to ask such questions or speak openly of Jewish domination over almost every aspect of society?"
10) ....and last, but not least; is the demise of Christianity an engineered outcome of the rise 'Holocaust' propaganda?.....has Holocaust suffering been promoted to displace the suffering of Christ in western consciousness? Has even the Christianity we are left with been Judaised? One has to wonder when one sees a pope sharing a religious service with the spiritual descendants of the Pharissees. Did Christ not say that these practitioners of the Golden Rule for Jews alone were "sons of those that murdered the prophets" and were "of Satan"?
The good news is that many ordinary Jews, largely a more brainwashed and deceived group than ourselves, are beginning to ask some of the same questions.
Please God they will continue to do so.
Below are just a few of the 'Holocaust' stories that have appeared over the past ten days. They were found by carrying out simple Google searches. Many of these individual stories were told in hundreds, even thousands, of other publications. One story in the following list is heartening.....a review of the Channel 4 film 'Defamation'. This brilliant film by an Israeli, Yaov Shamir, looks at the brainwashing of Jewish youth, 'anti-semitism' and the 'Holocaust' culture with a withering gaze.
13/01/2010
The courage of Miep Gies:The woman who saved the diary of Anne Frank (front page BBC website)
Bath show marks Holocaust Memorial (BBC Bristol website)
Israel Rabbi Asks Pope to Halt Pius' Beatification (New York Times)
14/01/2010
Edinburgh: centre hosts God on Trial for Holocaust Memorial Day (Independent Catholic News)
Defamation v Anti-Defamation (asks same questions as this post)
Huddersfield students apologise for Holocaust drinks game
15/01/2010
Rabbi to boycott Pope's visit to Rome synagogue (pope insults holocaust survivors)
Holocaust victims demand compensation from German rail company
Anne Frank etc.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rabbi-joshua-levine-grater/righteous-ris k-takers_b_424211.html
Sobibor survivor: 'I polished SS boots as dying people screamed'
Holocaust Museum shooting suspect dies
Chorley reveals Holocaust Memorial Day plans (dozens of such articles in the UK)
16/01/2010
Pope tries to still Jewish fears with synagogue visit (456 news articles on same subject elsewhere)
Mirror reporter who covered the 1961 trial of Holocaust mastermind Adolf Eichmann dies.
Natalie Portman: 'I hate Holocaust films'("I get like 20 Holocaust scripts a month but I hate the genre,")
17/01/2010
Pope Benedict XVI prepares to visit Rome synagogue (BBC website front page +712 other articles)
Pope says Vatican helped Jews during Holocaust (BBC News website)
Jewish leaders confront Pope over Vatican's Holocaust 'silence' (The Telegraph + 1110 similar articles)
Pope Benedict XVI visits Rome synagogue, 23 years after John Paul II (European Jewish Press)
18/01/2010
Israeli premier visits Berlin Holocaust museum (Radio Netherlands Worldwide)
Austrian university recalls diploma for Holocaust gassing denier
Oliver Stone and Holocaust Denial
19/01/2010
Israel in historic meeting to mark Holocaust
Evolution of International Holocaust Day reflects changing times
Holocaust haunts my dreams, survivor tells court
Cramer, German publisher who fled Nazis, dies at 96
Holocaust survivor’s daughter fights ‘anti-Semitism’ for the U.S. Government
PM Netanyahu to Visit Auschwitz on Int’l Holocaust Day
20/01/2010
Holocaust survivor, 82, tells of grim role as 'fireman' in Nazi death camp (215 similar)
AJC Mourns Passing of Holocaust Survivor Ernst Cramer
21/01/2010
Bishop Williamson is back -- doubting Holocaust, bashing Israel
Holocaust Survivor Describes Nazi Death Camp at Demjanjuk Trial
22/01/2010
Brown signs Holocaust memorial book
Blueprint for genocide on display at Yad Vashem Holocaust museum
CPS refuses to reveal details of Nick Griffin's race hate trial
The Revolutionary Holocaust. Glenn Beck! (Fox)
Hendon MP accuses council of 'politicising' Holocaust Memorial Day
Finally, here is one of literally hundreds (if not thousands) of ‘local’ news articles on 'The Holocaust'. This last story shows how competitive the one-upmanship amongst politicians to advertise their Holocaust credentials has become……
HENDON MP Andrew Dismore has said he is “amazed” at not being invited to an event to commemorate the holocaust being run by Barnet Council on Sunday.
HENDON MP Andrew Dismore has said he is “amazed” at not being invited to an event to commemorate the holocaust being run by Barnet Council on Sunday.
Mr Dismore actually helped to establish the day when he introduced a Private Member's Bill to the House of Commons asking for the event on behalf of his constituents in 1999.
However, he and his fellow Labour MP Rudi Vis have not been invited to the memorial event being held on Sunday by Barnet Council at Middlesex University in Hendon.
He said: “I have attended every Holocaust Memorial Day event at Barnet since then, whether organised by the Labour or Conservative administrations.
“This is the first year that I have not been invited, and I find it appalling Barnet Council is so insensitive that they would wish to party politicise an event of such importance.”.......etc.
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Perhaps not directly connected but this might go some way towards assisting the "vanish from the page of time" effort...
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=13626
| Quote: | ... ... ...Iran's President is widely believed in the diplomatic community here to have promoted sectarian unity in Lebanon, calmed the current political atmosphere, and delivered on offers of more desperately needed economic projects via 17 bilateral agreements. A particularly appreciated offer throughout Lebanon is Iran's major pledge of an electrical complex that will deliver 7 times Lebanon's current power supply, which in 2010 still sees power cuts throughout Lebanon. The current deficiencies range from three hours to 12 hours daily power cuts everywhere in Lebanon plus total blackouts for days at a time in some areas. Iran's President is widely believed to have achieved a major advancement for Lebanese stability, sovereignty, and independence.
The throngs were cheering, waving, and shouting their admiration. Local media used descriptive words like "rock star, rapturous, massive affection," to describe his reception.
Wretched Palestinian refugees, tightly shoe horned into Lebanon's squalid UN camps, denied even the most elementary civil rights by an apathetic international community and some of the local sects, could be seen along the route. Many with eyes moistened, perhaps by Nakba memories and tears of hope for the early liberation of their sacred Palestine and the full exercise of their internationally mandated and inalienable Right of Return to their homes. ... ... ...
... ... ...Close to 750,000 people, or approximately one quarter of the total population of Lebanon,) of all ages and stations in life, appeared at the main road from Beirut's airport and at other events during an intense two day frenetic series of appearances. Red, green and yellow rose petals, the colors of Iran's flag, greeted Lebanon's guest. ... ... ... |
Perhaps somewhat over the top but can you imagine any of 'our lot' getting such a reception?
Anywhere?
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| Quote: | Embassy of Iran, Ireland 72 Mount Merrion Ave., Blackrock Co. Dublin, Ireland
Phone: +353-1-2885881 http://iran.visahq.com/embassy/Ireland/Email: iranembassy@indigo.ie
30 October 2010
Esteemed Ambassador;
On November 18th and 19th the "International Conference on Anti-Semitism and Holocaust Denial" will be held in Dublin, organized by the Holocaust Educational Trust of Ireland.
One of the key speakers at the Conference will be Prof Meir Litvak, Center for Iranian Studies, Tel Aviv University. His speech is titled, "Antisemitism in Iran and Holocaust denial." Litvak is known for, among other things, his 2003 claim that, "a short war with and the quick removal of Saddam Hussein could greatly improve the peace process."
I am a Revisionist and Founder of Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (CODOH). I spoke at the 2006 Iranian “International Conference to Review the Global Vision of the Holocaust” where I focused on the “Irrational Vocabulary of the American Professorial Class with Regard to the Holocaust Question.”
I have asked permission to attend the HETI Conference and perhaps deliver a short paper on comparing the Iranian and the Israeli attitudes toward the matter of intellectual freedom and a free exchange of ideas regarding the Holocaust question. Unfortunately, the Conference organizers do not want to associate itself with any question that might possibly place Iran in a better light than Israel on this specific issue.
I would hope to encourage the Iranian Mission to consider taking an interest in this matter, which certainly will focus a light on Iran that will not be focused on Israel or any of the dozen European nations which presently prosecute and imprison men and women for saying what I said openly and freely in Tehran four years ago.
My request to attend the HETI Conference can be seen at: http://tinyurl.com/2b3lj76The text of the talk I gave at Tehran is here: http://tinyurl.com/299d2d9
Respectfully yours,
Bradley Smith, Founder Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (CODOH)
PO Box 439016San Ysidro, California
Telephone: 209 682 5327
Email: bsmith@prodigy.net.mx
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Psalm 83
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Psalm 83
King James Version (KJV)
Psalm 83
1Keep not thou silence, O God: hold not thy peace, and be not still, O God.
2For, lo, thine enemies make a tumult: and they that hate thee have lifted up the head.
3They have taken crafty counsel against thy people, and consulted against thy hidden ones.
4They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance.
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"for we wrestle not against flesh and blood but against principalities, against powers, against rulers of the darkness of this world, against wicked spirits in high places " Eph.6 v 12 |
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