Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 8:17 pm Post subject: UK VIPaedophile enquiry: Butler-Sloss, Woolf, Goddard, Jay..
was
Theresa May's 2 Tory Westminster Paedo cover-up 'enquiries'
& Goddard Enquiry VIPaedophiles: Can Home Office self-convict?
I have always believed Jimmy Savile's NSPCC to be a large part of the establishment cover up of paedophilia
But today the Home Secretary has announced the only enquiry to report before the 2015 general election is to be run by the nspcc
Not even a whimper from our so called press!
From a former Merseyside police officer's blog
Sindonax, now removed from the blog perhaps??
NSPCC – Silent on Establishment Paedophilia. This a photograph of the Prime Minister David Cameron standing on a NSPCC platform stating that it is unacceptable to turn a blind eye and deaf ear to Child Abuse. What you will not know is what was going on in the background when he was saying this . And the speech bubbles in that photograph sum up that event that is being hidden from the Public not only by the Government but by the NSPCC itself. If you have read my blogs you learn that I was am ex Merseyside Police and became aware of corrupt practices within the Force. When I reported these concerns to the Independent Police Complaints Commission the Force immediately used the Police Reform Act 2002 to block an investigation
http://sindonax.wordpress.com/2014/05/07/nspcc-silent-on-establishment -paedophilia/ _________________ --
'Suppression of truth, human spirit and the holy chord of justice never works long-term. Something the suppressors never get.' David Southwell
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Martin Van Creveld: Let me quote General Moshe Dayan: "Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother."
Martin Van Creveld: I'll quote Henry Kissinger: "In campaigns like this the antiterror forces lose, because they don't win, and the rebels win by not losing."
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After joining the Civil Service, he held a variety of posts at the HM Treasury, including Head of Private Finance Policy, and Principal Private Secretary to three Cabinet Ministers.[5] including Michael Portillo, both when Portillo was Chief Secretary to the Treasury and later as Secretary of State for Employment.[6] Wanless later held senior positions within the Department for Education and Skills and its successor the Department for Children, Schools and Families,[2][7] including Director of School Performance and Reform and Director of Strategy and Communications.[5][2][7]
Wanless was CEO of the Big Lottery Fund between February 2008 and May 2013,[2] when he was appointed as the Chief Executive Officer of the National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children (NSPCC).[8] He is a non-executive director of The Kemnal Academies Trust (TKAT), which operates academy schools in South East England.[9]
In July 2014, Home Secretary Theresa May announced that he would be leading a review into historical sex abuse claims.[10][11]
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Wanless _________________ --
'Suppression of truth, human spirit and the holy chord of justice never works long-term. Something the suppressors never get.' David Southwell
http://aangirfan.blogspot.com http://aanirfan.blogspot.com
Martin Van Creveld: Let me quote General Moshe Dayan: "Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother."
Martin Van Creveld: I'll quote Henry Kissinger: "In campaigns like this the antiterror forces lose, because they don't win, and the rebels win by not losing."
And now we have someone so normal and trustworthy as the 80-year-old Baroness Ann Elizabeth Oldfield Butler-Sloss leading an inquiry into establishment child abuse.
Previous form: Cleveland child abuse scandal and Lady Diana Spencer and Dodi Al Fayed inquests.
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She was determined to "leave no stone unturned", he said, adding that he was sure her report would "be thorough and complete".
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Mr Sedwill said Lady Butler-Sloss's inquiry would not be pursuing individual cases, although she would want to hear cases of that type.
We demand members of the public are included on the Child Abuse investigation panel to ensure; "Complete confidence in the integrity of the investigation"
"High level satanic ritual a..." The YouTube account associated with this video has been terminated due to multiple third-party notifications of copyright infringement.
Meet Toos of the Family Nijenhuis, a very brave woman who came to meet Kevin Annett at the event Freedom Central hosted for him. Following of from the disclosure of some very sad but important facts, we immediately arranged for an interview with Toos.
This is an introductory clip of the story. There is almost 3 hours of recorded testimony that will be released shortly as part of the initiative being put in place by ITCCS Holland.
This is truly the most difficult interview we have ever conducted, and Freedom Central was very grateful for Kevin Annett's help in interviewing this very important witness.
www.itccs.org www.itccs.tv
Meet Toos of the Family Nijenhuis, a very brave woman who came to meet Kevin Annett at the event Freedom Central hosted for him. Following of from the disclosure of some very sad but important facts, we immediately arranged for an interview with Toos.
This is an introductory clip of the story. There is almost 3 hours of recorded testimony that will be released shortly as part of the initiative being put in place by ITCCS Holland.
Joined: 25 Jul 2005 Posts: 18335 Location: St. Pauls, Bristol, England
Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 11:13 pm Post subject:
Tories Warm Up For The Cover-Up
http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/a-5654-Tories-warm-up-for-the-cover -up
2014 Thursday 10TH posted by Morning Star in Features
PETER FROST is sceptical about the two new inquiries into the way the Home Office lost 114 files related to an Establishment paedophile ring
So Home Secretary Theresa May has announced, not just one, but two reviews of how her department, the Home Office, lost or destroyed 114 documents listing all kinds of important people including MPs, ministers and senior civil servants as paedophiles and worse.
May has promised total transparency, today’s number one buzzword it seems, for what often actually turns into the usual smoke and mirrors.
When questioned in the House as to whether the reviews would have access to the secret services and the police she hesitated before giving a reluctant answer in the affirmative. We shall see.
It didn’t take long for Tory ex-home office minister David Mellor to start mixing the whitewash for Cameron and May to carry out a typical Tory cover-up — this time no doubt with Nick Clegg holding the bucket.
Mellor, better remembered perhaps for adulterous hanky-panky in a football shirt than for anything he did in office, told Guardian readers “his only reservation would concern the frankly rather emptily populist decision to put the chief executive of the NSPCC in charge of the inquiry into how the Home Office handled abuse allegations.
“Far more sensible but, I admit, not so sexy publicity-wise, would be to invite a boring lawyer to review what were, after all, legal or quasi-legal decisions, not social worker stuff.”
Which translates to: “Better to pick one of those compliant judges we usually use for public enquiries — they usually come up with exactly what we want to hear.”
Mellor went on to say: “The government needed to act decisively, because the rush to judgement among certain politicians and sections of the press was becoming unbearable.”
Nothing then to do with actually uncovering the truth.
Tory MP Geoffrey Dickens was an interesting man. He was abandoned by his parents and was fostered. He suffered from polio, but he turned heavyweight boxer and later became a Tory MP. He died nearly 20 years ago aged 63.
Dickens was no leftwinger. He campaigned strongly in favour of hanging but he was also a vociferous opponent of child abuse and the cover-ups of the paedophilia he discovered all around him in the Establishment and in government.
In 1981 he used parliamentary privilege to name the deputy head of Britain’s military spying service Sir Peter Hayman as a paedophile.
The Establishment rallied round Hayman. Ted Heath had made the senior diplomat a knight in 1971 for his work in the Home Office and the diplomatic corps. Secretly Hayman had also held very senior positions in military intelligence. He was the long-time deputy director of MI6.
Despite all their best efforts at a whitewash Hayman was so blatant and so arrogant he was jailed in 1984 for sex crimes. With the help of some powerful allies he had got away with it for a long time.
In October 1978, Hayman left a package of paedophilia-related pornography on a London bus. The police traced it to a Notting Hill apartment where, under the pseudonym Peter Henderson, Hayman had huge amounts of pornography including 45 diaries describing sex with children and other obscene literature and photographs.
Hayman was investigated by police but telephone calls were made and favours called in. That old whitewash again. Hayman, under his alias, walked away with an anonymous police warning.
Dickens then named Hayman in Parliament. Thatcher and her ministers were furious.
Thatcher’s Attorney General Sir Michael Havers waffled that Hayman had received pornographic material through the post but it was not of an extreme nature, was non-commercial and in a sealed envelope, so did not warrant prosecution. So that was all right then and Hayman walked free.
Dickens complained in the House of Commons that he had suffered real harassment over the Hayman affair.
“The noose around my neck grew tighter after I named a former high-flying British diplomat on the floor of the House.
“First, I received threatening telephone calls followed by two burglaries at my London home.” Dickens even believed he had been put on a murder hit list. The Establishment and the media ridiculed it as paranoia.
Thatcher’s attorney general was Sir Michael Havers. He will be remembered both as a loyal Conservative politician, encourager of police and the courts against striking miners as well as the lawyer who prosecuted both the innocent Guilford Four and the Maguire Seven, all jailed and then later found not guilty and released.
What isn’t perhaps so well known is that Havers was the brother of Baroness Butler-Sloss who May has just appointed to head her other, more in depth, inquiry into the lost papers. No clash of interests there I am sure.
Dickens paid dearly for his brave whistleblowing. Thatcher never forgave him that some of those named in the dossier were very close indeed.
Meanwhile Hayman didn’t behave himself. Perhaps he felt he didn’t need to. In 1984 he was convicted for an act of gross indecency in a public lavatory. He died in 1992.
Dicken’s brave but unpopular campaign wasn’t over. In November 1983 he delivered a thick dossier to the then home secretary and the senior minister in Thatcher’s Cabinet, Leon Brittan.
It contained allegations of paedophilia in Buckingham Palace, the government, the diplomatic and Civil Service and who knows where else.
This is the dossier that Sir Leon Brittan says he cannot remember and the Home Office has either lost or destroyed.
The top civil servant at the Home Office Mark Sedwill told the home affairs select committee on Tuesday that he had not even asked to see a list detailing what the 114 missing documents related to.
He told MPs he presumed they had all been destroyed, the destruction had not been logged or recorded, but despite that they should not assume that anything sinister was at work. So much for May’s transparency.
Dickens also personally delivered a separate file to another member of the Establishment, the director of public prosecutions, Sir Thomas Hetherington, in August 1983. Amazingly that copy too has been conveniently lost or destroyed.
Dickens’s files and dossier contained details of at least eight prominent public figures who were paedophiles.
Dickens said at the time: “I’ve got eight names of big people, really important names, public figures. And I am going to expose them in Parliament.”
He never did. Pressure, threats, or some other reason kept him quiet. The dossiers and files were lost and a lot of very important people, with very dark secrets, breathed again.
So will those important names become public this time round, Or will the establishment and the Con-Dem cabinet manage to sweep it all under their capacious carpet with all the other sleazy secrets?
I don’t know, but if I were you I wouldn’t hold my breath.
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Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2014 11:15 am Post subject:
by email......
I note in the press today (Mail) that 'A member of the Heath government suggested he could secure the loyalty of MPs by covering up scandals involving them and small boys'. This would almost certainly have been St Jean Stevas (a noted homosexual), Heath's chief whip at the time of his (Heath's) campaign to get Britain into the, then, EEC. If I am right, then there is now a 'link' possibly putting Heath in the frame.
I have Stevas' files where he lists his activities against anti-EEC MPs and it is notable that a significant number of MPs who were against joining relented and voted to go in when it came to the second (critical) reading of ECA72 (compare St Jean Stevas' list of those against joining with Hansard's second reading voting list).
These people all seem to have a common arrogance and total lack of remorse.
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July 8th, 2014
WATCH: Former Tory Whip Boasts About Paedo MP Cover Up
http://order-order.com/2014/07/08/watch-former-tory-whip-boasts-about- paedo-mp-cover-up/
Pat on the back for the BBC researcher who dug this out of the archives. Back in 1995 the late Tim Fortescue, who was a Tory whip in the Heath years, explained how party whips could help cover up a potential paedophile scandal
“Anyone with any sense who was in trouble would come to the whips and tell them the truth, and say now, “I’m in a jam, can you help?” It might be debt, it might be a scandal involving small boys, or any kind of scandal which a member seemed likely to be mixed up in, they’d come and ask if we could help. And if we could, we did. We would do everything we can because we would store up brownie points. That sounds a pretty nasty reason but one of the reasons is, if we can get a chap out of trouble, he’ll do as we ask forever more.”
His little black book must have made for eye-watering reading…
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Some notes on NSPCC child abuse failings in Keighley, West Yorkshire
'A former Scotland Yard detective who won plaudits for his work on cases including the murder of Stephen Lawrence has claimed that he was moved from his post earlier when he revealed plans to investigate politicians over child abuse claims.
Speaking about his inquiries in 1998 into activity alleged to have taken place in Lambeth children's homes in the 1980s, retired detective chief inspector Clive Driscoll said that his work was "all too uncomfortable to a lot of people".
The Metropolitan police has now reportedly asked to discuss the claims with Driscoll, who told BBC Newsnight that he had a list of suspects he wanted to look at, including local and national politicians, adding: "Some of the names were people that were working locally. Some people that were if you like, working nationally, there was quite a mix really because it appeared that it was connected to other boroughs and other movement around the country."
He claimed that he was removed from his post after sharing his suspicions at a meeting with other officers.
"I certainly in a case conference disclosed suspects' names, 100%, but I was informed that was inappropriate and I would be removed from my post," he said.
"Whenever people spoke to you and shared their fears and their story about what they had seen, it was almost on the proviso that they wouldn't make a statement and that they would be scared if you released who those people were that were talking for fear of reprisals to both their selves and their families."
Investigations are believed to have continued into more than 20 children's homes after Driscoll was moved.
Driscoll, who served for more than 30 years with the police, retired this summer against his will after leading the reinvestigation that saw two men convicted of murder of Stephen Lawrence in 2012, 19 years after the killing.
He claimed on Newsnight that there had been discussions within the force about holding back certain documents from an independent inquiry into the original murder investigation.
Driscoll also said that he believed there were "disruption tactics" during his successful investigation.
Asked by Newsnight if he would now trust the Metropolitan police if he was the Lawrence family, Driscoll replied: "No, I probably would not."
Duwayne Brooks, the surviving victim of the attack that killed Lawrence, has warned that the best chance to catch more of the gang who were involved in the racist attack may be lost because of Driscoll's departure.
Brooks has described Driscoll's departure as a "terrible blow" and said that many breakthroughs in the case were down to the detective's personal style. He claimed that he and many other witnesses would talk only to Driscoll because he had spent years winning their confidence.'
Another good decent cop railroaded out because he was getting too close to the nitty-gritty truth, like John Stalker. _________________ 'And he (the devil) said to him: To thee will I give all this power, and the glory of them; for to me they are delivered, and to whom I will, I give them'. Luke IV 5-7.
[quote="TonyGosling"]She is part of the cover-up. She can't carry on.
nrmis wrote:
While we are at it, anybody care to help me with wording a petition to remove the home secretary?
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"I do not regret the decision I made. I continue to believe that Elizabeth Butler-Sloss would have done an excellent job as chair of this inquiry,"
How can someone so deluded, displaying no sense of judgement whatsoever, continue in such an important role?
Great. How do you think this sounds as a petition statement?....
We demand that Theresa May step down from her role as home secretary.
Her judgement in appointing Baroness Ann Elizabeth Oldfield Butler-Sloss - as head of an inquiry into a cover-up of child abuse by establishment figures - showed such a lack of judgement it was risible.
To respond to the resignation of Butler-Sloss by stating - "I do not regret the decision I made. I continue to believe that Elizabeth Butler-Sloss would have done an excellent job as chair of this inquiry," - shows that Theresa May is one of two things. Delusional or determined that any enquiry is a whitewash, there is no alternative to these conclusions.
Remove her now.
Carol Kasir claimed to have kept names from the guest register of Elm Guest House, which include major establishment figures. The full list is below:
•Anthony Blunt, Royal Connections, MI5, traitor, Russian spy deceased.
•Harvey Proctor, Monday Club, well known convicted paedophile.
•Sir Peter Bottomley. Worthing MP and Monday Club
•Charles Irving
•Leon Britton, Lord, ex Thatcher Minister (likely the Tory ex minister referred to anonymously in recent newpaper reports)
•Peter Brooke, Life Peer
•John Rowe, MI5, former MP
•Cyril Smith, deceased, ex Rochdale MP
•Ron Brown
•Colin Jordan, ex National Front Leader
•George Tremlett, Former GLC Leader
•Peter Campbell, Monday Club
•Gary Walker, Sinn Fein
•Cliff Richard,aged Pop Star, known at Elm Guest House as ‘Kitty’
•Jess Conrad, aged ex Pop Star.
•Ron Wells, aged Musician, aka ‘Gladys’ at Elm Guest House.
•Richard Miles, Monday Club
•Chris Denning, ex BBC DJ, convicted paedophile.
•R Langley, Buckingham Palace Equerry
•Terry Dwyer
•Patrick Puddles
•Louis Minster, Head of Richmond Social Services
•Colin Peters, QC – a convicted paedophile sentenced to 8 years in 1989
•Steve Everett, Senior Westminster Social worker
•Ray Wire, so called expert on Paedophile therapy
•Peter Glencross, editor of Monday Club newsletter
•Guy Hamilton Blackwell, son of Westland Helicopters Chairman
Hour-long video interview:
Nightmares at Elm Guest House. Bill Maloney interviews Chris Fay:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORU5x-ryedU _________________ 'And he (the devil) said to him: To thee will I give all this power, and the glory of them; for to me they are delivered, and to whom I will, I give them'. Luke IV 5-7.
Re the proposed government inquiry into organised child abuse
As Butler-Sloss stated, the proposed government inquiry into organised child abuse needs to have the confidence of care and abuse survivors. It is for this reason that the view of many survivors and leading specialists in the area of child protection is that the most suitable candidate to chair the announced ‘Child Abuse Inquiry’ is Michael Mansfield QC.
The chair of this inquiry will need fearlessness, to be prepared to challenge the authorities and to ask and get answers to very difficult questions. This is a role that can only be undertaken by someone clearly seen as outside the establishment.
Mr Mansfield has shown with his work on the Stephen Lawrence inquiry and the current Hillsborough inquiry that he has the respect of survivors and professionals to undertake this inquiry.
In addition to the need to have the correct chair – it is very disappointing that the proposed Terms of Reference (TOR), as set out by the Home Secretary, will, unless revised, render the Child Abuse Inquiry that she has announced almost worthless.
The Home Secretary has proposed an inquiry that will pull together previous reviews to produce a ‘Lessons learnt’ report – taking no evidence from individual victims.
This needs to be urgently reviewed and the TOR for this Inquiry must focus on the following three elements: 1) To hear evidence from survivors of organised abuse, which would finally give them a voice and allow them to be heard and believed 2) Set up a dedicated police team at the National Crime Agency to take evidence alongside the inquiry to investigate and prosecute offenders 3) To hold those that have failed in their professional duty or covered up allegations or been obstructive to account.
Having Mr Mansfield and revised Terms of Reference is the only way to secure justice for survivors and protection of our children.
Yours faithfully
Peter Saunders, CEO NAPAC (National Association for People Abused in Childhood)
Nze K.D. Akabusi MBE, QMSI ret , Executive Director The Akabusi Company
David Akinsanya, TV Producer
Mark Williams Thomas, TV Presenter, Criminologist & Child Protection Expert
Phil Frampton, Founding Chair, Care Leavers Association
Ann Davis, Emeritus Professor of Social Work and Mental Health, University of Birmingham
Dr Liz Davies, Reader in Child Protection, London Metropolitan University
John Cooper QC
Roger Kline, Research Fellow, Middlesex University Business School
Les Huckfield MP for Nuneaton 1967-83. MEP for Merseyside East 1984-89
John Hemming MP
Paul Gosling, Author: Abuse of Trust
Tracey Emmott, Director (Solicitor) Emmott Snell Solicitors
Dr Sarah Nelson, Child Abuse Researcher and Campaigner
Dr Philippa White, Director, Tuart Place
Caroline Carnot, Author & Founding Executive Care Leavers Association
Bobby Martin: Community & Gang Intervention Advisor
Will McMahon Deputy Director, Centre for Crime and Justice Studies
Anne Peake, CPsychol., FBPsS
Dr Kenneth McIntyre, CPsychol, AFBPsS
Chris Walker, Educational Psychologist PSI-UK
Dr Paul Redgrave, Director of Public Health, Barnsley 2004-09
Dr Valerie Sinason, Clinic for Dissociative Studies
Glenys Ingham, Headteacher
Di Roome, Retired Headteacher
Ken Jones, Education Leadership Consultant
Ed Nixon, Chief Executive, Family Care Associates
Brian Douieb, Former Leaving Care Social Work Manager
Peter McKelvie, Former Child Protection Team Manager
John Leech MP
et al
IMPORTANT: Please contact Theresa May if you want Michael Mansfield QC to chair the inquiry.
Please email phil@philframpton.co.uk if you have written to Theresa May endorsing the letter
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Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2014 9:33 pm Post subject:
Spot the Muslims: Keith Joseph, Rhodes Boyson, Michael Havers, Jimmy Seville, Rolf Harris, Laurens van der Post, Cyril Smith, Peter Righton, Peter Morrison, or their dear friend, protectors, and in Joseph's case even protégée, Margaret Thatcher. I'll give you a clue. It's a trick question. Most of the victims in Rotherham were not Pakistani Muslims, either. If the view of the social workers was that it was culturally normal and acceptable for them to be engaging in "consensual" sex from the age of 11, then that was not because these children's culture was Asian, or Muslim, or what have you. It was not. Yesterday's report makes it clear that it would have been culturally impossible for any more than a handful of Asian or Muslim girls to have been victimised in this way.
These Pakistanis have adopted the British values of grooming young children. They are the product of the British schooling with non-Muslim monolingual teachers. I have been doing Jihad in the field of education for the last 40 years so that each and every Muslim child should be in a state funded Muslim schools with bilingual Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental periods. I would like to see Muslim children developing Cultural, linguistic and spiritual identities so that they could keep themselves away from western barbarity of anti-social behaviour, binge drinking, drug addiction, teen age pregnancies and abortion and lot of other evils but people like you do not want to see Muslim children in Muslim schools in the name of integration. Now you have seen the result in the form of sexual grooming of young children which is a common occurrence in your culture.
Numbers of under-18s accused of sexual offences against other children have increased by nearly nine per cent in a year. Figures collated by the NSPCC following a Freedom of Information request to police forces in England and Wales show that in 2013/14, 4,209 children were accused of sexual offences compared to 3,868 in 2012/13. That represents an increase of 8.8 per cent. Peter Wanless, chief executive of the NSPCC, said easily available online pornography appears to be a factor behind young people committing sexual offences. “We know that for many older children pornography is now part of life,” he said. “Easy access to hard core, degrading and often violent videos on the internet is warping young people’s views of what is normal or acceptable behaviour. “It is also feeding into ‘sexting’ where teenagers are creating and distributing their own videos and images that are illegal and have led to prison sentences.” Wanless added that for very young children who have been accused of offences, some as young as five, questions must be asked about the environment in which they are growing up. “It could be that they have seen sexual activity that they are just too young to understand and are copying what they’ve seen,” he added. The NSPCC said the data revealed that most victims knew their alleged abuser with some of the most common crimes being teenage boys abusing female acquaintances. Although most abusers were male there was a small proportion of female abusers as well as both male and female victims. Crimes included serious sexual assaults, rape, and obscene publication offences. Wanless said that recognising the warning signs early and taking swift action was essential as harmful sexual behaviour can be turned around if caught early. “These children are not beyond help,” he said. “If we act quickly and children receive therapy such as that provided by the NSPCC’s ‘Turn the Page’ service we can stop them becoming adult sex offenders. “And, most importantly, their victims need support to overcome what has happened to them. “Sexual offences, whether committed by another child or an adult, can have lifelong consequences.” Alan Wood, president of the Association of Directors of Children’s Services (ADCS) said some young people who sexually abuse others are themselves victims of abuse and services must work to break the cycle of victims becoming perpetrators of the future. “Other children may struggle to understand boundaries as a consequence of exposure to inappropriate material such as online pornography, violent films or computer games, or extreme literature,” he added. “ADCS fully supports a full public debate of the issues surrounding the safeguarding and protection of children in an increasingly digital world that exposures children to new risks that they would not have faced in previous generations and where adults and agencies, thankfully, are getting better at recognising the nature of abusive behaviour.” Recent research by Research in Practice at the Dartington Hall Trust on harmful sexual behaviours by children and young people highlighted the need for local authorities to develop a more robust, joined-up response on the issue.
A burka sounds like a good idea for any female over the age of ten in certain UK towns and cities.
I would rather see a woman in a Burqa than a girl wearing jeans too tight, too low, having her fat belly hanging over the top and wearing a top so tight and small that her boobs hang out. And as for hijabs, some of them are so pretty - who could object to a woman wearing them ?
Every time there is a debate about women's and minority's rights, their voice is always left unheard. Good job Belgium, you're now telling women what they can or cannot wear, just like Saudi Arabia or Iran!
Wearing veil is not covering of identity. The Europe talks of democracy, but banning veil is not democracy. Muslims don't want to be unveiled like Europe porns, who make sex on the streets.
IA
London School of Islamics Trust
http://www.londonschoolofislamics.org.uk
If the view of the social workers was that it was culturally normal and acceptable for them to be engaging in "consensual" sex from the age of 11, then that was not because these children's culture was Asian, or Muslim, or what have you. It was not.
No that would be because these child protection professionals and police were/are a total and utter disgrace to their profession.
Iftikhar wrote:
.................. but people like you do not want to see Muslim children in Muslim schools in the name of integration. Now you have seen the result in the form of sexual grooming of young children which is a common occurrence in your culture.
Who are you talking to here?
You are talking dangerous drivel when you talk of "people like you ...." and "your culture". No country, culture or religious community is immune from child abuse or has 100% monopoly of it. It exists around the world: in western and non-muslim cultures and in eastern and muslim cultures.
New Whitehall Child Abuse Chair has close links to top suspect!
Does Theresa May really want this child sex abuse inquiry to see the light of day?
Simon Danczuk
Tuesday 9 September 2014 19.28 BST
Just when it looked as though the inquiry into child sex abuse could finally get under way, it once again has to face whitewash accusations. After the absurd appointment of Lady Butler-Sloss, which ensured the inquiry got off to a farcical start, Theresa May has made the equally dubious appointment of a replacement chair in Fiona Woolf. This time it emerges the chair has close links with Lord Brittan. Yes, Leon Brittan, the former home secretary who has been accused of covering up a massive child abuse scandal.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/09/theresa-may-child -sex-abuse-inquiry-light-of-day _________________ --
'Suppression of truth, human spirit and the holy chord of justice never works long-term. Something the suppressors never get.' David Southwell
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Martin Van Creveld: Let me quote General Moshe Dayan: "Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother."
Martin Van Creveld: I'll quote Henry Kissinger: "In campaigns like this the antiterror forces lose, because they don't win, and the rebels win by not losing."
Joined: 06 Jul 2006 Posts: 111 Location: Forest Gate London
Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2014 8:43 pm Post subject:
Until we change our attitude towards victims of sexual abuse we will continue to have these scandals. This isn't just an issue in Rotherham or the UK for that matter. Globally, we have seen repeated failures of authorities who did not believe the victims of sex crimes. Unfortunately, various groups - including atheists and Christians - have used the misogyny of Islam to justify perpetuating their own misogyny. Apparently Western misogyny doesn't need to be addressed because Muslim misogyny is worse. Misogyny is not unique to Islam or the Middle East. It wasn't until the 20th century that Christians began to abhor family violence. The current Australian PM is on record as saying his daughter's greatest gift to give is their virginity.
The majority of the perpetrators were British men of Pakistani origin. Origin means nothing. It may mean nothing if you are integrated into your adopted culture, or the culture that your parents and grandparents chose to share in. It is less important if you share in the values of that culture. However, when migrants see the host culture as the enemy, and they see the enemy as "the other", then harm inflicted on this "other" this enemy is partially justified in this way by the perpetrators. Just how many Pakistani women and children were groomed and gang raped? Not many. I asked the question about the evil mass rapine Rotherham gangs because although the liberals refuse to give political explanations for the actions of the gangs, I am sure that the gang members themselves are full of political, religious and ideological justifications including the occupation and Gaza. Rape is not primarily a sexual act, it is an act of subjugation, terror and cruelty. The Rotherham paedophiles weren't waging war on white people, they were sexually exploiting vulnerable girls.
This has nothing to do with race, religion, class or anything else. It has to do with the law of our country. Either we have laws or we don't. I want our elected Parliament to decide our laws. I don't want alien foreign imports to have an opt out clause or to be given latitude because of where they come from or what particular brand of belief they practice. The abuse of 1400 girls is a crime of massive proportions. Boko Haram captured a hundred or so girls and world opinion quickly made its revulsion known. The same should happen here. There is no excuse for this. The U.K. should be named and shamed. It deserves it. Colour of skin, religious beliefs or any other reason other than the law is no excuse. Stop trying to defend a massive injustice by making false comparisons. Rich, famous and powerful men are now behind bars because what they did was contrary to the law. A crime is a crime and should be treated as such without any deference to religious, cultural or any other reasons to excuse it.
It seems likely that the majority of the girls abused in Rotherham were white but this begs the question of whether this was because their Muslim abusers had greater "hatred and contempt" for non-Muslim, white girls and/or whether white girls were "most easily accessible". Almost half of child sexual abuse is committed by children. One in three child sexual abuse victims are boys. 20% of child sexual abuse is committed by females. Child sexual abuse is a heterogeneous crime. There are many sub cultural interpretations of Islam as there are for Christianity. To suggest that Muslims don't respect women is ridiculous, I guess you don't know many Muslims. If a European irreligious person is the abuser what do we label them, just pervert I guess? We certainly don't see them as representative of the dominant culture. A 2012 report by the deputy children’s commissioner said that 33 per cent of child sex abuse by gangs in Britain was committed by Asians – who form 7 per cent of the population. However it is single men who abuse far more children and they are predominantly white, such as Gltter,Seville and all the related cases as well, also all those in the lost paedophile document of people higher up in society who abused at what was a paedophile brothel as well as Catholic priests who abused.
We should be asking questions, not just about the abuse but also about the unwillingness of some Muslims to integrate into the society they have chosen to be part of. We should ask why is it that young Asian/Muslim men think it acceptable to behave in such a manner that they would not be allowed to if in their country of origin. We've always had problems with those who would abuse children, it's not new as we know from the stories of our children's homes but this is something new and on a scale never before witnessed in the UK. If the social services and the police had done their job correctly far less would have been abused and there would be people in prison. I don't know who has the power, but the organisation that does needs to investigate a prosecute any that were neglectful in their duties. Especially those that were in charge a must have known what was happening under their watch. The only way to have a fair society is one in which everyone is treated the same unrelated to their race/nationality. I don't include religion as that is a choice.
I heard a news item on Radio 4 about the large number of children born to these girls, who were raped. I worry about all their futures. These children will grow up to learn, at some point in the future, that they were conceived through rape. What a terrible legacy. I have to keep reminding myself that this took place in the UK in the 21st century. Paedophilia and exploitation of the vulnerable happens in all societies. Societies can choose whether or not they will allow it to happen. Turning a blind eye, denial, blaming the victims and making excuses are all the ways of allowing it to happen. The only way to stop it happening is to not do the above, but instead investigate, catch and prosecute the perpetrators.
The Pakistani men and their attitudes towards women are extremely conservative. Women, unless they are in the home and covered up are fair game. This idea is shared by many religious conservatives and has been for generations. The gangs in Rotherham used the race card to get away with it, but the judge, the southern evangelist, the Catholic, what's his excuse? The woman just wasn't worthy. It's all the same. An interesting question might be how the South Yorkshire Police were able to send a vast number of police and detectives to very publicly search Cliff Richard's home, some three hours away from Rotherham, over an alleged incident from thirty years ago, yet were unable to respond to complaints from children, parents, and social workers over incidents with damning evidence - as shown in Professor Jay's report - taking place time and time again on their own doorstep?
If you know a crime is being committed, you have a duty to report/act on it, surely failure to do means that you are complicit in the crime? Westminster M.P.s, knew they were stealing millions off the taxpayer and blamed the rules they themselves had written. These same people knew that there were predatory paedophiles in their midst, one of whom was a Privy Councillor and PPS to the Prime Minister.They did nothing. Police in Leeds and Rochdale, knew about the activities of two of their most famous residents - yet did nothing. Police at Orgreave and Hillsborough knew they had lied in their statements - yet did nothing.I'm sure that scores more examples could be added to this list.
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Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2014 1:29 pm Post subject:
Iftikhar, I don't believe anyone on this Forum is using the Rotherham rapes to attack Muslims. I don't believe you (or indeed most people) have a CLUE about how prevalent child abuse is in 'top circles'.
Check out the following, what you learn will literally astound you:
And if you think Cathy's testimony is far-fetched, know that I have a CD with 27,000 court and other document copies from Cathy and Mark Phillips' attempts to get justice through the American 'Justice' system.
Also, if interested in further knowledge on this issue, read their books 'Trance Formation of America' and 'Access Denied: For Reasons Of National Security'; also John DeCamp and Noreen Gosch have written books. _________________ 'And he (the devil) said to him: To thee will I give all this power, and the glory of them; for to me they are delivered, and to whom I will, I give them'. Luke IV 5-7.
Vulnerable victims of sex crimes have reacted
with panic and fury after highly sensitive videos
of their police interviews were stolen in an
‘unacceptable’ breach of security.
The theft of computers containing the
statements sparked disbelief among witnesses
when they were informed of the break-in.
And police were accused of trying to cover up
the incident by asking those affected to keep
quiet about it.
The recordings were being edited by a private
firm in Greater Manchester for the Crown
Prosecution Service.
Last night, Labour MP Keith Vaz, chairman of
the Commons’ Home Affairs Committee, said he
was ‘deeply concerned by the serious security
breach’ and voiced ‘surprise’ that a private firm
had control of such data.
The loss is a blow for the CPS in the North-
West, which oversaw the prosecution of the
Rochdale gang in which nine men were convicted
for exploiting dozens of girls as young as 13.
Publicity from the trial led to hundreds of victims
of sexual abuse coming forward after suffering in
silence for years.
But yesterday, it emerged that copies of their
video statements had been stolen ten days ago,
on September 11.
One witness, whose evidence related to attacks
against her as a child, told The Mail on Sunday
last night: ‘I was told by police that my
statement had gone missing. The CPS uses an
outside firm to edit the videos and they were all
stored on computers.
‘The office was burgled and they all went
missing. We were asked not to make the theft
public. We were told by police that they’d been
recovered today. They said they hadn’t been
tampered with but how do they know for sure?
‘You’d have thought these files would have been
kept under tighter security.’
MORE...
Child sex gangs? We are too busy trying to
catch car thieves... That's what target-driven
police told head of their abuse unit
Abuse inquiry head to break silence on links to
Leon Brittan: Fiona Woolf to answer critics who
say she is too close to figure in scandal
Five detectives facing misconduct probes over
police's handling of historic sex crime claims
against Jimmy Savile
In a statement yesterday, a CPS spokesman said
that it was now co-operating with a police
inquiry following a burglary at the premises of
Swan Films, a Manchester-based video editing
contractor for the CPS.
He said: ‘During the burglary, it is believed that
material relating to a small number of cases,
including some police interviews with victims or
witnesses, sent to the company since August 1
this year within the Greater Manchester area,
were stolen. Master copies of all material are
retained by the prosecution.
‘The computers containing this information have
now been recovered and we can confirm that the
sensitive information they contained was not
accessed between the time they were stolen and
their recovery.’
The CPS said it was now demanding an ‘urgent
explanation’ of the security arrangements that
had been in place.
Mr Vaz said he would be challenging CPS boss
Alison Saunders, the Director of Public
Prosecutions, over the security breach when she
gives evidence to the Home Affairs Committee
next month.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/index.html
He said: ‘The public will be surprised that such
sensitive information has been out-sourced in
this way.’
Richard Scorer, a Manchester-based solicitor
who represents child sex abuse victims in
Rochdale, said he was ‘appalled and extremely
concerned’ by the affair and raised fears it would
deter future witnesses coming forward.
Greater Manchester police commissioner Tony
Lloyd branded it ‘an unacceptable breach of
security’, and called on the CPS to review the
security arrangements.
Asked if witnesses were told to keep quiet about
the theft, Greater Manchester Police insisted its
officers had ‘not been briefed to request victims
to not pass on this information’, and that the
Force had been ‘entirely open and transparent’. _________________ --
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Senior Tory cabinet ministers were supplied with underage boys for sex parties, it is sensationally claimed. Former Conservative activist Anthony Gilberthorpe said he told Margaret Thatcher 25 years ago about what he had witnessed and gave her names of those involved. His allegations that he saw top Tories having sex with boys comes after David Cameron launched a Government inquiry into claims of a cover-up. Anthony, 52, said: “I am prepared to speak to the inquiry. I believe I am a key witness.” Trawling seedy streets during a Tory conference, Gilberthorpe says he was asked to find underage rent boys for a private sex party at a top hotel.
Today, more than three decades later, he claims he was acting on the orders of some of the most senior figures of Margaret Thatcher’s government. Anthony says he was a full-time political activist when he helped procure the “youngest and prettiest” boys for several cabinet ministers after being told to find “entertainment”. In a series of explosive claims about conferences at Blackpool and Brighton in the 1980s, he alleges boys as young as 15 indulged in alcohol and cocaine before they had sex with the powerful politicians. He says one person who attended a party is a current serving minister. Others said to be present at the parties included Keith Joseph, Rhodes Boyson, Dr Alistair Smith and Michael Havers
As a young aspiring politician, Mr Gilberthorpe admits being in awe of the men, but now insists: “They manipulated and groomed me to do their bidding.” He said: “I was just 17 when I first went to a conference in Brighton in 1978. I couldn’t believe I was rubbing shoulders with all these important people and I couldn’t believe that they were taking such a keen interest in me. I would have done anything for them because I was so desperate to make it in politics. “During the years I was attending conferences between 1978 and 1985, I was a full-time political activist. At the same time I was running for office in district and county council elections.”
Cabinet Minister: Former Education Secretary Keith Joseph
Mr Gilberthorpe claims that at the 1983 Blackpool conference he was asked by Dr Alistair Smith – the Tory Party Chairman in Scotland – to arrange for young rent boys to have sex with two high-profile cabinet ministers, who we are not naming today. Other MPs at that party were said to include Rhodes Boyson and Keith Joseph. In that week he presented the then-Prime Minister Mrs Thatcher with a cake to mark her 58th birthday. But he says he also had a more sordid role – using his young looks to find these underage boys for her ministers. At the time, the age of consent made it illegal to have gay sex with anyone under 21-years-old. He said: “Dr Smith, who I looked up to at the time and was the most important Tory in Scotland, told me to go and fetch some ‘entertainment’, which was code for young boys and handed me a handful of bank notes. There was about £120.” Mr Gilber-thorpe claims he was not shocked by the request.
He said: “It was a norm and an open secret that these older members of the Tory party, like
Dr Alistair Smith, paid for young men to join them at sex parties. “It was the first time I was asked to fetch them but it was hardly surprising as I was becoming one of their trusted people. There was a well known and used cruising area close to the Imperial Hotel, which was a conference hotel. The hotel was not open to the public. “I was expected to find the youngest and prettiest boys. It was what those men wanted. “In fact it was all they wanted. “So myself and another Tory candidate walked down there and sat on some benches underneath an archway in the Pavilion area of Blackpool and waited.”
Attorney General: Lord Michael Havers
He said they were approached within minutes by a “guy aged about 20” called James. He went on: “I asked him if he wanted to come back to the hotel and he said ‘yes’. We asked if he had any
mates and he went away and came back with two boys who were aged about 15 and no older. “It was a surreal situation as we were dressed in suits and ties and they were wearing jeans. “We said we would make it worth their while and the older one held out his hand and I passed him the money to share out. I promised him there would be plentiful amounts of free booze.”
Mr Gilberthorpe claims he then asked hotel security to contact a man inside who worked at the Conservative Party Central Office to arrange for the three rent boys to be given security clearance and special badges that would allow them to enter the Imperial. He said: “All MPs, members of the National Executive and chosen delegates were given name badges that allowed you access to the conference hotel. “Some of them had a small Oscar sign in the corner which was a code to allow others to know you were allowed into these secret parties.” He claimed the Hollywood-style Oscar symbol was actually in honour of gay writer and poet Oscar Wilde. Once inside the Imperial, he says the group walked up several flights of stairs to a room where politicians were waiting for them, along with a table of cocaine.
In attendance: Rhodes Boyson at the Conservative party conference in Blackpool, 1987
He said: “We took them straight upstairs and into a room where Dr Smith and other MPs were waiting for them at the party. They were given drinks and cocaine to snort and then they were all moved into the centre of the room.” Mr Gilberthorpe said he witnessed two senior Tories having sex with the boys. He said: “A couple of other MPs were in the room. I can clearly remember seeing one politician, who is now a serving Tory MP, standing there and watching.” Mr Gilberthorpe also claims that two years earlier in 1981 he saw Sir Michael Havers – then Attorney General – at a swimming pool party at the Tory conference in Blackpool, where underage boys were encouraged to perform sex acts on several politicians, who we are also not naming today. He recalled: “In 1981 I was invited back to the Imperial Hotel by a Conservative councillor. “He was a big player in the notorious right-wing group the Monday Club. “We arrived at around midnight and I was led down some stairs to a door where two men were stood as security.
“We were allowed to enter and I was led through a tiled changing room where there were piles of clothes strewn across the floor. We then walked into an area where there was a large pool and lots of men either stood around naked or simply wrapped in towels. “Among the MPs I recognised in there were Keith Joseph and Rhodes Boyson. I saw the Attorney General Michael Havers down there as well. “There were a couple of glass tables set up as a mini bar with bottles of spirits on them and there was cocaine on several tables. I saw several boys who were clearly aged between 15 and 16 down there and I saw that a few were performing sex acts on MPs. “Other young men were acting as waiters walking around with little black bow ties on. I was completely shocked by it because I was still only 20 and I had never seen anything like it.” He added: “I stayed for a couple of hours but was tired because a conference was always a boozy affair where mainly spirits were drunk in large quantities from about 5pm onwards.”
Request: Smith ‘asked for young boys’
Mr Gilberthorpe, now 52, says he also attended a sex party at the Grand Hotel in Brighton during the Conservatives’ 1984 conference. On the night before the seafront hotel was hit by an IRA bomb attack, he claims he saw senior MPs engaging in sex acts with boys below the age of consent at a “corridor party” held in a row of rooms on the fourth floor. He said: “There were two guys on the door at the end of the corridor and because we were in the group I was allowed to enter. Several doors were left open and others were closed.
“There were several men walking from one room to another and enjoying sex acts with other naked men, including boys who were clearly only about 15 or 16 years old. I saw Keith Joseph there and a politician who is now still a serving MP. “It was held on the night before the bomb went off and afterwards one MP crudely joked that it was a good job it was, or there would have been rent boys falling through the floor.” Mr Gilberthorpe, who decided to finally break his silence because he fears an Establishment cover-up, also claims that in the aftermath of the bombing, in which five people were killed, he was asked to look after two rent boys.
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Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2014 12:09 pm Post subject:
All three heads of Theresa May's 'enquiries' into Tory party, Whitehall and Westminster child sexual abuse Lady Butler-Sloss, Peter Wanless & Fiona Woolf are linked to the suspects. http://politicsthisweek.wordpress.com/2014/10/03/bcfm-politics-show-pr esented-by-tony-gosling/
Two on-air warnings: those of a sensitive disposition and those with children should consider switching off the radio.
Home Secretary Theresa May's big Conservative party conference speech this week attacking civil liberties and arguing for more surveillance powers... but no mention of her abortive child abuse enquiries which were triggered by Sir Norman Tebbit's admission that child sexual abuse by Tory MPs 'may well have been' covered up. Home Secretary Theresa May's three 'still born' Westminster & Whitehall child sexual abuse enquiries. But will the failure to deal with these alleged crimes mean proven US generational cult, ritual child abuse practices could be growing in to the UK? David Shurter describes the horrors of multigenerational satanic ritual abuse in San Francisco and Omaha in the US.
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Well I suppose so much evil in high political places could come out, particularly about her own party here, Theresa May has little choice but to appoint a series of stooges to chair this enquiry.
Chair of historic child abuse
inquiry urged to quit over
revelations she is 'close friend'
of top Tory accused of failing to
act on paedophile allegations
By Tom McTague, Deputy Political Editor for
MailOnline
14:00 21 Oct 2014, updated 14:11 21 Oct 2014
Fiona Woolf lives on the same street as
the ex Cabinet Minister Leon Brittan
She invited former Home Secretary and his
wife for dinner three times
Brittan rejects claims he failed to act on
dossier of abuse allegations in 1980s
Theresa May appointed Mrs Woolf last
month after her original choice quit
Lady Butler-Sloss stepped down because
her brother was attorney general
Labour's Simon Danczuk said he had
'serious concerns' about Fiona Woolf _________________ --
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Theresa May locks Kincora Boys Home child sexual abuse out of national enquiry. UK's Dutroux Franklin cover up
The Government's refusal to investigate a
notorious Belfast boys' home in its UK-wide child
abuse inquiry adds to a "conspiracy of silence"
over the crimes committed there, Amnesty
International has claimed.
The human rights group said victims of a brutal
paedophile ring who abused boys from the
Kincora home will feel betrayed by the
announcement.
It has long been alleged that well-known figures
in the British establishment, including senior
politicians, were involved in the abuse of
vulnerable boys living in the infamous facility in
east Belfast in the 1970s.
Moreover it has been claimed that the UK security
services knew about the crimes but did nothing to
stop them, instead using the knowledge to
blackmail and extract intelligence from influential
men who were committing abuse.
Amnesty was among those who have
campaigned for the home to be included in the
Government-commissioned UK-wide probe into
historic abuse that is being chaired by Lord
Mayor of London Fiona Woolf.
But Northern Ireland Secretary Theresa Villiers
today announced that Kincora will not be covered
by the inquiry.
Ms Villiers said a more appropriate forum for the
allegations to be investigated was through an
ongoing Northern Ireland-specific inquiry into
institutional abuse in the region.
Patrick Corrigan, Amnesty International's
Northern Ireland programme director, said the
move was "disappointing but unsurprising".
"Victims will feel betrayed by this decision, while
the public will believe that the conspiracy of
silence, which has surrounded Kincora for forty
years, continues," he said.
Stormont First Minister Peter Robinson and East
Belfast MP Naomi Long have also expressed
disappointment at Ms Villiers' announcement.
Critics of the decision have highlighted that the
Stormont-commissioned institutional abuse
inquiry only has the power to compel witnesses
and papers related to devolved matters.
That means the panel chaired by retired judge Sir
Anthony Hart cannot force representatives of the
Security Service (MI5) to appear before him.
Acknowledging this issue, Ms Villiers today
pledged the "fullest co-operation" by the UK
Government, including the Security Service and
Ministry of Defence, with Sir Anthony's Historical
Institutional Abuse Inquiry.
She stressed that Ms Woolf does not currently
have the powers to compel witnesses.
But Mr Corrigan insisted the local inquiry would
not be able to get to the truth of Kincora.
"Despite protestations to the contrary by the
Northern Ireland Secretary Theresa Villiers, the
Historical Institutional Abuse inquiry is simply
unable to get at the truth behind the abuse and
allegations of security services' complicity at
Kincora," he said.
"Only an inquiry with the eyes of Westminster and
the UK media - and the ability to secure the
necessary powers of compulsion - is equipped to
uncover the secrets long hidden at Kincora.
"In one fell swoop the UK Government has both
knocked public confidence in its commitment to
reveal the truth of child abuse across the whole
country, and undermined the Northern Ireland
inquiry, which has been given a job for which it is
sadly ill-equipped."
In 1981, former head of the home William
McGrath and two other members of staff, William
Semple and Joseph Mains, were jailed for abusing
children in their care.
But there have been persistent allegations that
the paedophile ring was much more extensive
than those three men.
Democratic Unionist First Minister Mr Robinson
said he had raised the issue over powers with the
Government a number of months ago.
"Northern Ireland's Historical Institutional Abuse
Inquiry has a range of statutory powers including
the power to compel both people and documents
within Northern Ireland," he said.
"This statutory power does not fully extend to the
rest of the United Kingdom which is why I called
for Kincora Boys' Home to be included in the UK
wide Panel.
"However, I welcome this commitment from Her
Majesty's Government that there will be the
"fullest possible" co-operation with the Inquiry
where evidence is required and requested.
"This would give the HIA Inquiry the same range
of powers in relation to the rest of the UK, as
proposed for the Inquiry Panel.
"I will now be seeking clarification from the
chairman of the HIA Inquiry to ensure he is fully
satisfied, given Her Majesty's Government's
commitment, that he now has the range of
powers and co-operation he requires to carry out
a robust and thorough investigation of all the
issues in relation to Kincora Boys' Home."
Mrs Long said the decision had let down the
victims and survivors of Kincora.
"Whilst I welcome the news that the Government
is willing to participate in the investigation into
the goings-on at Kincora, it is disappointing they
have not allowed the home to be part of the
wider-ranging Home Office inquiry," she said.
"Kincora is under the spotlight not just for
allegations of abuse but also claims that security
services participated in blackmail and cover-ups
around it. While the Secretary of State is correct
in saying the welfare of children is a devolved
matter to Northern Ireland, the security services
are not. The Home Office inquiry has dragged its
feet for months now in not responding to my calls
for Kincora to be included in it and this is just the
latest disappointment.
"If Kincora is not to be included in the Home
Office inquiry, I would call for a separate,
independent inquiry with statutory powers to be
established and Kincora to be included in it. That
now appears to be the only way the victims and
survivors of the home will gain the justice they
deserve."
Ulster Unionist leader Mike Nesbitt said the lack
of certainty on whether Sir Anthony would be able
to get certain witnesses to appear was a real
problem.
"That is the critical weakness," he said.
"Again, I acknowledge the Secretary of State is
working with colleagues in Government to address
that point, but until it is resolved satisfactorily,
these proposals have a potentially fatal
weakness.
"That would be a betrayal of the victims."
Mr Nesbitt has previously acknowledged the
speculation that former senior members of his
party were involved in the historic abuse at
Kincora and has vowed to accept guilt if the UUP
is implicated.
Making the announcement, Ms Villiers said that
Sir Anthony's inquiry was "better placed to
pursue allegations of abuse" at Kincora.
"All right-thinking people will find the offences
committed at Kincora utterly abhorrent, and if
there was any tolerance of such abuse by people
in positions of authority that must also be utterly
condemned," she said.
"I believe that Sir Anthony's inquiry is the best
placed body to do just that and it is already
planning to look at allegations in respect of
Kincora. All Government departments and
agencies who receive a request for information or
documents from the Inquiry will co-operate to the
utmost of their ability in determining what
material they hold that might be relevant."
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Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 6:58 pm Post subject:
If Fiona Woolf was serious she would have fessed up to these new links yesterday.
Just a matter of time before she resigns.
So so similar to the three resigned coroners of the Diana inquest this CSAinquiry farce.
Matthew Weaver - The Guardian, Wednesday 22 October 2014 15.16 BST
Fiona Woolf, the second person appointed to lead the government’s inquiry into child abuse, is to be asked by a committee of MPs to clarify discrepancies over her account of meetings with the wife of Lord Brittan, who was home secretary when a dossier about alleged Westminster paedophiles went missing from his department.
Keith Vaz, the chairman of the home affairs select committee, said the committee was “not totally satisfied” with Woolf’s answers to the committee after previously undisclosed details of her meetings with Lady Brittan emerged less than a day after her appearance before the MPs.
The committee’s move added to mounting legal and parliamentary pressure on Woolf to resign as chair of the inquiry.
Woolf, a QC and the lord mayor of London, replaced the government’s initial choice, Lady Butler-Sloss, who resigned soon after the inquiry was set up when it emerged that her late brother, Lord Havers, had been attorney general during the period when some of the incidents are alleged to have taken place.
A second conflict-of-interest row is growing as lawyers representing victims of the abuse insist that Woolf should resign after it emerged that Brittan was a neighbour with whom she had dined five times since 2008.
In a letter to the home secretary, released on Tuesday, Woolf admitted she knew Lord Brittan and his wife, and that she had met Lady Brittan for coffee on a “small number of occasions”. The last such meeting was in April 2013, it said. She also admitted that the two women were on a judging panel for the Dragons awards for corporate involvement in the community in 2014, making no reference to the same awards the year before. In her letter to the home secretary, Woolf said: “I have had no social contact with Lady Brittan since 23 April 2013 and have not spoken to either of them in person or by telephone since.”
Photographs have emerged of Woolf at recent social functions. One shows the two women in conversation with the former newsreader Martyn Lewis in October 2013 at the Dragons award ceremony. Another shows Woolf standing close to Lady Brittan at a mayoral event.
Vaz said he was surprised that details of further meetings had emerged. Speaking to BBC Radio 4’s World at One programme, he said: “I am surprised that there is new information about the list of meetings that Fiona Woolf has had simply because she was very clear to the committee yesterday ... this was a long letter that had been carefully gone through ... She said she had checked this in a draft with the Home Office.”
He added: “I will write to her to ask her why this particular piece of information was missing and is there anything else she can help the committee, and therefore the public, in respect of other issues.”
Vaz said the committee wanted to raise three other issues with Woolf, including whether she had time to chair the inquiry after its launch was delayed to fit in with her busy schedule.
He said: “We were not totally satisfied [with her evidence] that’s why we are writing to her.
“We are writing to her about how much time she has to do this very important job. The committee wants to hear from her, rather than others, about her suitability … If she feels that she doesn’t have the confidence of the victims and others, then I’m sure she will make her decision in her own way.”
Woolf also faces a legal challenge over her appointment and a parliamentary motion calling for her replacement. Labour’s energy spokeswoman, Caroline Flint, told BBC’s Daily Politics programme: “I think it’s really difficult for her to stay.” But No 10 insisted the prime minister had “full confidence” in Woolf.
Andi Lavery, a victim of abuse at a Catholic boarding school, said Woolf personified the establishment as lord mayor. Speaking to the Guardian, he said: “I’m angry and appalled – it’s a cover-up.”
He said he had seen a copy of a judicial review challenging Woolf’s appointment. “There’s a legal challenge from Ian McFadyen [who was abused at Caldicott prep school] and an unnamed lady. She [Woolf] is not fit and proper under the Inquiries Act,” Lavery said.
Alison Millar, partner at the solicitors Leigh Day, which represents a number of victims, said her clients regarded Woolf’s links to Brittan as “beyond the pale”.
Speaking to BBC Radio 4’s Today programme on Wednesday, Millar said: “She has to be seen to be independent, and somebody who seems to be on dinner-party terms with a senior political figure whose knowledge this inquiry will be scrutinising is somebody who, from the perspective of my clients, does not have the necessary independence.”
Asked to state the single reason why Woolf lacked credibility to chair the inquiry, Milllar said: “This evidence of dinner parties with Lord Brittan puts her beyond the pale, in terms of her credibility with my clients.”
On Tuesday, Woolf told the committee that she had “no close association” with the Tory peer and she believed her account of contact with him would “lay to rest” any fears.
Woolf appeared unwilling to say Lord and Lady Brittan were not friends, and could not remember whether she sent them a Christmas card. “My Christmas card list last year had about 3,000 people on it. To be honest I don’t know whether they were on it or not,” she said.
She added that Brittan’s phone number was not stored in her mobile phone.
However, victims of abuse have continued to questioned Woolf’s credibility. Phil Frampton, a former Barnardo’s boy who campaigns for those who have been abused, said he was appalled by Woolf’s appointment. “It’s like putting Wayne Rooney in charge of an investigation of the nuclear energy industry,” he told the BBC.
The early day motion tabled by Lib Dem MP John Leech, and supported so far by three other MPs, calls on government “to find a new chair of the inquiry who has palpably demonstrated its willingness to challenge all quarters of the establishment to ensure that it can achieve its aims of providing justice to the victims of historic child abuse”.
The deputy prime minister, Nick Clegg, said he had no evidence that Woolf had not been thoroughly vetted, but appeared to stop short of offering full support. Answering questions after delivering a speech in south London, the Liberal Democrat leader said: “We all need to have confidence that the decisions taken by the home secretary … were thorough. I have not heard anything that suggests to me the process by which Theresa May made the recommendation is anything other than thorough.”
Woolf’s role was given only qualified backing by Sharon Evans, a journalist, campaigner and victim of child abuse, who is on the inquiry’s panel of experts.
She said she understood the anger of victims but was “confident” the panel would properly investigate the allegations.
“There has been so much focus on Fiona Woolf, which I understand, but she is just the head of the panel. There are nine people with an enormous background and expertise in this field,” Evans told Today.
“The whole panel are aware that we have got off to a very difficult start, but … we are satisfied that Fiona Woolf has the skills of a solicitor … We do need balance … I would like people to be reassured that there are victims on this panel.”
Evans added: “We are determined to get to the bottom of this … I will give you my pledge as a journalist and victim that I will not let anybody get away with things that I think are being covered up.”
The role of Brittan is key to the inquiry because it will investigate what happened to a dossier handed to him by the late MP Geoffrey Dickens, which later went missing. Last year, Brittan said he could not remember getting the dossier, but after further questions were put to him in July, he released a statement saying he could now recollect a meeting with Dickens. He said he had asked officials to look into the claims but could not remember hearing any more about it.
However, a Home Office review from last year found Brittan had written to Dickens in 1984 saying the material had been assessed by the director of public prosecutions as worth pursuing and “passed to the appropriate authorities”. Brittan released a second statement saying he had only just been made aware of last summer’s review, which proved that appropriate action had been taken.
Business minister Matthew Hancock blasts the remarks as 'disgusting'
MPs comments are protected from slander and contempt of court laws
By DANIEL MARTIN FOR THE DAILY MAIL
PUBLISHED: 23:07, 28 October 2014 | UPDATED: 00:14, 29 October 2014
A Labour MP has used parliamentary privilege to accuse former Home Secretary Leon Brittan of ‘improper conduct with children’.
He used a Commons debate on the 1984-85 miners’ strike to suggest that those who took part in the industrial action will not be surprised by the allegations against Lord Brittan.
The remarks from Jim Hood, who said there were ‘reports about child abuse being linked with’ the Conservative politician, were criticised as ‘disgusting’ by business minister Matthew Hancock.
Under parliamentary privilege, MPs can make contentious allegations without fear of prosecution for slander or contempt of court. But critics said Mr Hood’s comments were an abuse of this privilege.
The row comes amid calls for the head of the official inquiry into historic child sex abuse to resign over links to Lord Brittan, now 75. Fiona Woolf has admitted attending dinner parties with the politician, who was in charge of the Home Office in the 1980s.
It has been claimed that Lord Brittan was handed a file, which is now missing, in late 1983 which allegedly detailed child abuse at the highest levels of Westminster.
But he has not until now been publicly accused of having played a part in such abuse.
The controversial remarks were made during a debate in which MPs accepted a motion which said Margaret Thatcher’s government ‘misled the public’ about pit closure plans during the 1984 miners’ strike.
Mr Hood, the MP for Lanark and Hamilton East, who had been discussing violence on picket lines, said: ‘By the way, the current exposé of Sir Leon Brittan, the then home secretary, with accusations of improper conduct with children will not come as a surprise to striking miners of 1984.’
Tory MP Conor Burns raised an immediate point of order and said: ‘He has just made very profound, serious accusations against a noble Lord. Is that in order?’
Deputy Speaker Lindsay Hoyle said he had not heard the remark but replied: ‘It’s up to each member to decide what they said and they must make that decision.’
Mr Hood continued: ‘The rumours that Sir Leon Brittan was involved with misconduct with children does not come as news to miners who were striking in 1984.
‘When miners were going up into the dock in magistrates’ courts we were aware and miners were declaring … the point is miners were saying in the dock in magistrates’ courts throughout the strike that they objected to instructions coming from the home secretary when there were reports about child abuse being linked with that same home secretary.’
Fiona Woolf on her relationship with Lord Brittan
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The remarks from Jim Hood, left, come amid calls for the head of the inquiry into historic child sex abuse to resign over links to Lord Brittan. Fiona Woolf, right, has admitted attending dinner with the politician
Mr Hoyle intervened again and said: ‘I think it is up to each MP, we have to be very careful on what we said, and we must consider what we are saying and what the implications are.’
Mr Hood said: ‘I accept, obviously, what you say but I’m just repeating what I’m reading in the papers.’
Mr Hancock then intervened before the next MP spoke, saying: ‘At the end of this debate the Labour front bench should disassociate themselves from the disgusting remarks of the previous speaker.’
Speaking after the debate, Mr Burns said: ‘I was astounded that Jim Hood casually, without thought or deliberation, appeared to accuse Lord Brittan of being a paedophile in a debate about the future and the past of the mining industry in Britain.’
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Last night Lord Tebbit, who was a Cabinet colleague of Lord Brittan, said: ‘I think it would be better if somebody wants to make these allegations of Lord Brittan, that they should do it outside the Chamber, where they can be tested – if necessary in a court of law.
‘Parliamentary privilege is a useful thing, but it needs to be used with care and in an open manner. If this gentleman has some evidence which causes him to believe this, why not make these comments outside?’
He added: ‘I’m not a particular friend of Leon Brittan, but this gentleman could equally well get up and accuse me of things like this – and I wouldn’t care for that. In fact I’d probably go round and smack him on the nose.’
'A letter from Mrs Woolf was rehashed seven times at the Home Office to make her appear less friendly with Tory peer Lord Brittan..
Fiona Woolf tonight faced demands to quit as chief of the inquiry into the Westminster paedophile claims after it emerged officials tried to play down her links to Lord Brittan.
Shock papers reveal Whitehall chiefs wrote a letter on her behalf to Home Secretary Theresa May outlining why she should continue in the role.
But it was then rewritten seven more times in a bid to make her appear less chummy with the Tory peer, who this week was accused of “improper conduct with children” by an MP using parliamentary privilege.
That provoked a vehement denial from Lord Brittan of any wrongdoing.
But victims’ groups have already declared they have no confidence in Mrs Woolf’s ability to conduct an independent inquiry over her links to Lord Brittan.
And Labour MP Simon Danczuk insisted the scandal of Mrs Woolf’s rewritten letter made her position “untenable”.
He said: “Home Office officials colluded with Fiona Woolf. I do not believe she can survive this. She has to go. Theresa May has questions to answer.
"Were her officials really working with Fiona Woolf to rewrite this letter? You could not make it up.”
The emergence of Mrs Woolf’s letter is deeply damaging to Ms May who lost her original choice of inquiry chief, Dame Butler-Sloss, after it emerged her brother Michael Havers was Attorney General at the time of the alleged abuse in the 80s.
All seven drafts of the letter were last night published by the Commons Home Affairs committee.
Furious chairman Keith Vaz said: “It is extraordinary that Mrs Woolf did not even write the first draft of her letter, which was supposed to detail her own experiences. The letter then underwent seven drafts, with a multiplicity of editors.
"The final version gave a sense of greater detachment between Lord and Lady Brittan and Mrs Woolf than her previous attempts.”
Mr Vaz warned he could now haul Mrs Woolf in for a further grilling. He added: “Words, and even facts, have been amended.”
Within hours of Mrs Woolf being appointed to the role, it emerged she was a neighbour of Lord Brittan.
He was Margaret Thatcher’s Home Secretary when a VIP paedophile ring was allegedly operating in Westminster.
A dossier was handed to him at that time detailing some of the crimes – but it was given to civil servants. No action was taken. It has since disappeared.
Mrs Woolf’s letter to Ms May initially said she was not close to the Brittans but admitted attending dinner parties with them. She said she had met the peer’s wife for coffee and at occasional social functions....' _________________ 'And he (the devil) said to him: To thee will I give all this power, and the glory of them; for to me they are delivered, and to whom I will, I give them'. Luke IV 5-7.
Peter Hayman mixed with MPs in high-level paedophile network, survivor tells detectives
One of the VIPs who sexually abused boys at an apartment complex near Parliament has been identified as a former deputy director of MI6.
The disclosure of his identity to Exaro by a key witness has also been provided to Scotland Yard for its new investigation into historical allegations that MPs and other prominent people carried out child sex abuse at Dolphin Square and elsewhere.
An abuse survivor, known as “Nick” to protect his identity, told Exaro: “He used to like to kiss and to touch, liked me to do that to him. But it would always culminate in being raped. That is what happened all the time. That was normal.”
Exaro can reveal today that this VIP identified by Nick as an abuser at Dolphin Square is Sir Peter Hayman, who was linked under parliamentary privilege in 1981 by Geoffrey Dickens, the late Conservative MP, to the Paedophile Information Exchange (PIE), which promoted sex with children.
Nothing was said in Parliament about Hayman’s role at the Secret Intelligence Service (SIS), better known as MI6, and Press reports at the time referred to him solely as a diplomat and as the UK’s former high commissioner to Canada.
Police investigated Hayman in 1978, but he was not prosecuted. He died in 1992.
Nick picked Hayman out from a collection of pictures that Exaro showed to him. He had previously mentioned that one abuser was called “Hayman”.
“I learnt his name over a number of sessions,” said Nick.
From the pictures, he identified Hayman by his first name and as one of the paedophiles who sexually abused him at Dolphin Square and other properties in London from the age of 11, starting in 1979.
Nick thought that Hayman was an MP, and was unaware of his MI6 role. He assumed that Hayman was a politician because he mixed with MPs.
Scotland Yard launched an investigation into Hayman in 1978 after a package of “obscene literature” was found in a bus in London and traced to him. Police also found that Hayman was a PIE member.
The then director of public prosecutions, Sir Thomas Hetherington, advised against prosecuting Hayman.
Nick believes that the establishment avoided prosecuting Hayman to protect him as well as other prominent people in the paedophile group that preyed on children at various locations in London, including Dolphin Square.
Asked how he felt about this failure to prosecute, Nick said: “That has left me feeling numb.”
He said: “I know times change, and if you were caught today leaving that sort of thing on a bus you would be arrested and charged.”
“If he had been arrested, would he have given up the others? I doubt it. Would his arrest have led to the disruption of the group which might have made a difference? It could have done.
“Really, it does not surprise me that they did not do anything because of who else was involved, and it just adds to the growing list of missed opportunities for it to end. It was all just a cover-up, whether to protect the group or protect the establishment’s reputation.”
Nick is a key witness at the centre of the new investigation by the Metropolitan Police Service’s paedophile unit, under ‘Operation Midland’, into historical allegations that MPs and other VIPs sexually abused children at Dolphin Square and elsewhere. Midland is under the umbrella of ‘Operation Fairbank’, which is looking into allegations of child sex abuse by prominent people, including politicians.
After he and a second witness gave accounts to Exaro of how MPs and VIPs sexually assaulted them at Dolphin Square and other locations, Nick agreed to talk to the Met.
He said that Hayman was often at the same “abuse parties” as a former Conservative MP who was especially violent towards boys. Nick has also given an account of how a former Conservative cabinet minister sexually abused him as a boy at Dolphin Square and other locations.
Exaro is not naming the two politicians for legal reasons.
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