Getting this info into the Army!!!

Zlocke · Validated Poster Joined: 09 Sep 2006 Posts: 59

I sell copies of LC2, Terror Storm and Matrial Law on Ebay at cost price to get this info out there.

2 weeks ago I was contacted by a member of the British Forces who is quite well placed in the Army. He wanted 25 copies of LC2.

I ended up meeting him and giving him 30 copies of LC2, 10 copis of Terror Stom and 10 copies of Martial Law (I charged him £17.50 for this - see I don't make a penny out of this).

I meet with him on Saturday and gave him a further 40 copies of LC2, 20 TS and 20 ML plus 20 Road to Tyranny and 20 of the Stephen Jones lecture.

He was telling me about a class he took containing about 40 squddies. He spent the last hour talking about 9/11 and the evidence that is was an inside job.

Well, he said everyone was stunned. They couldn't believe what they were hearing. They all took DVD's from him, and are all going to look into this area further.

It just made me think of what I would do if I had just found this info out and had to go to Iraq for 6 months in a weeks time?

It's a tough one - what would you do?

Andrew Johnson · Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 8:31 pm Post subject:

Hey,

This is excellent news - I hope that word now gets around - and hopefully it will in the barracks...

Keep up the good work.

I think if I were a squaddie, I'd probably still go to Iraq for 2 reasons:

1) I'd be following orders
2) I maybe wouldn't immediately connect the Iraq Situation with 9/11 (as there was no connection between Sadam Hussein and 9/11).

But with Richard Dannatt's comments, who knows what might happen

Zlocke · Validated Poster Joined: 09 Sep 2006 Posts: 59

Cheers Andrew.

I have big plans with this guy. We will be holding events, giving away DVD's etc, doing all we can to get the TURUTH out there.

We are getting it together down here in Devon!!

Newspeak International · Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 8:47 pm Post subject:

A rumour in the army!

It'll spread far and wide, maybe as far as the UK and US camps out in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Zlocke · Validated Poster Joined: 09 Sep 2006 Posts: 59

The reason these guys were so gob smacked, is because the person passing the info on carries with him great respect.

I can't give anymore details than that, but we won't stop here!

THETRUTHWILLSETU3 · 9/11 Truth critic Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 1009

Well done Zlocke - your actions are the type that will make a real difference.

THETRUTHWILLSETU3 · 9/11 Truth critic Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 1009

The attached video would be of great interest to the troops - Beyond Treason - it tells of the 400,000 sick US troops from depleted uranium and dodgy injections

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-8047351706461342401&q=deple ted+uranium

Disco_Destroyer · Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 6:44 am Post subject:

TimmyG · Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 7:20 am Post subject:

nice one!

viva la revolution!

ian neal · Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 8:22 am Post subject:

www.arrse.co.uk/

Army rumour service

Most posters have no time for 'conspiracy nonsense' but by discussing previous treachery such as the US Liberty, the WMD lies, Gulf of Tonkin, etc, etc, etc you may open a few minds to the possibility 9/11 was an inside job

HERA · Validated Poster Joined: 17 Feb 2006 Posts: 141

kbo234 · Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 10:58 am Post subject:

Brilliant stuff Zlocke. Well done.

AntiZionistAntiNeocon · Minor Poster Joined: 17 Sep 2006 Posts: 46

This is really excellent! It would hopefully make them think a bit about the real reasons they are being sent to kill and be killed in Afghanistan and Iraq.

It is good that you are also showing them Terrorstorm, because they will see familiar people (Shayler, Meacher) and they will see things about 7/7.

Keep up the effort!!!
________
CBX

Light Infantree · Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 12:11 pm Post subject:

This is indeed fantasitic news. how 'well placed' is the individual concerned and which Corps or Regiment are they part of?

If people within the services are getting this information on mass, it will greatly affect matters a little way into the future - perhaps when the government attempt to impose marshall law in the wake of masive 911 truth demonstrations? With members Army, Airforce, Police understanding about the truth, it will go hand in hand with peaceful demos - ie they are more likely to sympathise with the truth even though they may still be following their orders. The 'keepers of the peace' and 'protectors of the realm' Will have a major say in how the next few months and years progress I feel.

Squaddies do know how to see the truth - I am ex-Army myself! In the Service most accept how the system works. Compartmentalisition is part of everyday life. One knows that you are told what you need to know, and nothing more. Once the service member realises they are being used and that wars will cease when men refuse to fight, like me, they leave!

I would be interested to know if there have been any restrictions put in place, within the services, to stamp out the information circulating? They can easily do this. The Military Police use to get exited about a CND sticker in your bedspace!

Graham · Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 12:34 pm Post subject:

Great work Zolke Very Happy

ian neal · Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 1:34 am Post subject:

DeFecToR · Moderate Poster Joined: 11 Jul 2006 Posts: 782

Yeh yeh, well done... blaa blaa.

Pity that some of the people so willing to pat this Zolke on the back know full well that he has disseminated garbage to the the very people who are in need of the most acurate information available on 911.

Why hasn't anyone pointed out that he has done more damage than good by spreading that load of * Loose Change instead of learning some more before encouraging people to believe in 911 truth?

I'm sorry if i'm being aggressive here but i am sick and f'ing tired of this. Zolke, i'm sure you are okay, and are only doing what you believe is right, but some of the other people that have responded to this are clearly showing their willingness to spead BS to further THIER idea of what people should believe. YES i believe 911 was an inside job but i will DIE before i encourage someone to believe somthing i know is false just so that they might join in the 'movement'.

You want to fukking do something REAL for 911 truth?

Yeh?

Then fukking well address the REAL issues. Like this for example;
http://www.911myths.com/WTC7_Lies.pdf

Instead of spreading nonsense, why not prove your case first?

I will NEVER, evidence aside, believe 911 was anything other than an inside job but as every day that goes by where the 'movement' is not addressing the issues raised by the 'critics' i fell more and more in no-mans-land. How the fukk can i, OR ANY OF YOU, have the balls to spread the idea of inside job when you long ago gave up any idea of 'investigation'?
You have arrived at your conclusions and thats that.
Yes, i have those same conclusions, and they will never change, but how the hell can i teach others about 911 truth when i KNOW that there is a valid counter arguement? My instinct tells me 911 was an inside job, but how on earth can i convince someone else of this based on that? Do i have to LIE to myself and them in order for them to believe that 911 was an inside job?

You all say (and i too) that there should be some kind of official reinvestigation in to 911 but in all honesty that idea scares the * out of me. Why? Because YOU WONT ADDRESS THE COUNTER ARGUEMENTS. Any case for inside job, as it stands is based on far fewer 'facts' than you people still put out. The case for inside job would be thrown out IN A SECOND. Do your work first before claiming you know all the facts.

You are all so ready to give out DVDS on 911. WHY????
What happens if those people who had never heard of 911 truth, who then watch Loose Change, happen to find themselves here;
http://www.loosechangeguide.com/LooseChangeGuide.html

Well?

Where's your f'ing 911 truth then? They would feel sick for being duped. And would NEVER, no matter what was presented to them, believe 911 was an inside job.

You claim 'truth'...?

How's about living up to the tag and show some desire for it?

blackcat · Validated Poster Joined: 07 May 2006 Posts: 2376

Another troll reveals itself. Anyone pushing loosechangeguide as a site that offers any insight into 9/11 is a shill. I must say you are getting more subtle - it has taken weeks for you to come out of the woodwork.

DeFecToR · Moderate Poster Joined: 11 Jul 2006 Posts: 782

DeFecToR · Moderate Poster Joined: 11 Jul 2006 Posts: 782

blackcat · Validated Poster Joined: 07 May 2006 Posts: 2376

Its not the having a different opinion bit that bothers me - its the statements that run contrary to the aims of this site and show people to be spreading disinformation. That there are mistakes in LC is unquestionable and hopefully they are being remedied. The bulk of LC however is an attack on the fairy tale we had been fed and has been crucial in spreading the truth. Your comments are those I associate with a shill and for good reason. It is not remotely childish to let you know you are not fooling people.

ian neal · Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 10:05 am Post subject:

Hi Blackcat,

you shouldn't assume Defector isn't genuine in his views. Recently there has been a plague of articles and sites from critical voices pushing the same debunking sites that in effect are claiming that the 9/11 truth movement is a cult that will not tolerate dissention or challenge to its views. By assuming Defector is a troll merely because he believes Loose Change 2 is garbage, you give fuel to those using this tactic and put campaigners such as defector off seeing they have common cause with you.

In response to the charge that the 9/11 truth movement is intolerant of its critics we can of course point to the intolerance of believers in the official fairy tale and George W's famous quote of 'not tolerating outrageous conspiracy theories'.

Defector

You seem to miss the point of why there is a no endorsement line on this site. 9/11 truth campaigners have been disagreeing sometimes very publicly and acrimoniously on how best to challenge the official accounts almost since the day it happened. What evidence to present and who and how to present it, pods/no pods, LIHOP or MIHOP, peak oil/ no peak oil, zionist connection/no zionist connection and on and on. It is my belief that many of these divisions have been provoked deliberately to divide the movement, but I also recognise any unstructured movement (which 9/11 truth is) will always find reasons to disagree about things.

It was as an attempt avoid the scisms that have developed amongst some campaigners that this site adopted a no endorsement policy. We do not endorse any one presentation of the evidence or campaigner or anything posted on this forum.

In order to build a united movement, we need to recognise our common ground and then tolerate our differences. We do not need to agree about everything. The prima facie case as presented for years by groups such as the 'Jersey Girls' is in my opinion overwhelming.

On the balance of evidence, I strongly believe WTC7 was a controlled demolition but I'm quite happy to stand on a united platform with campaigners such as Michael Meacher and the Jersey Girls who do not mention WTC7.

I am familiar with sites like 9/11 myths and I have followed some of the debates between the 2 sides. I could go through the article you refer to attempting to debunk the debunking, but personally I choose not to dedicate a lot of time to engaging our critics on the minutae of the evidence since I have done so in the past and found it not to be the best use of my time.

My advice is this. If you don't like Loose Change 2 choose something that is harder to 'debunk'. My personal favourite at present in terms of introducing 9/11 truth is Press for Truth, who killed John ONeill or EGLS.

Secondly critiques like screwloosechange do highlight some of the flaws in Loose Change and I don't deny they exist. But that is a million miles away from genuinely debunking the controlled demolition theory or proving the fire induced collapse theory.

If it were that simple to explain WTC 7's collapse do you not think NIST would have produced its definitive water tight report by now and if people like 9/11 myths had all the answers that they wouldn't have won the NIST contract to produce this definitive report.

If you or any one else believe that 9/11 truth can be presented better than the existing DVDs or websites do or that you can speak more convincingly and articulately than the current crop of 9/11 campaigners then the challenge is step forward and do so.

Justin · Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 11:58 am Post subject:

Defector, my friend, wait for LC3 Final Cut to be launched early next year. All the previous mistakes made will be rectified plus lots of new and compelling evidence and information. Plus it will be much more professional in its appearance and will have the steady guiding hand of David Ray Griffin. If this film goes into the cinemas in the US and UK as is planned, then we will have a revolution on our hands!

BTW, Ian Neal is right - it is quite possible to have a bloodless, non-violent revolution involving the military if it comes from the grassroots. Special forces, who tend to be the tools of our leaders and are therefore more mindcontrolled/brainwashed then the average squaddie, may prove to be a problem - but our county line regiments along with all the other branches of the Army - not to mention the Royal Navy and RAF - is made up of normal decent people with families who will not act in such a way that they will support and impose a fascist dictatorship upon the rest of us. Get the truth out about 9/11 and these people will protect our democracy - as an ex-soldier myself I know this to be true!

Skeptic · Validated Poster Joined: 23 Mar 2006 Posts: 485

Loose Change 2 contains a great deal of inaccuracy, speculation and quotes taken out of context - I didn't think this was disputed

to say that it is not entirely accurate is not to say it's main position is incorrect let alone that the official story of 9/11 is true

as others have said, it's important for people in the truth movement to acknowledge the inconsistencies in films such as this in order for us to be taken seriously

better films (in my opinion) are:

September 11th Revisited
Improbable Collapse
What's the Truth?

I'm happy to provide anyone who hasn't seen these with copies

HERA · Validated Poster Joined: 17 Feb 2006 Posts: 141

mason-free party · Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 4:51 pm Post subject:

i did the same at my local army recruiting showroom in Burton...just pop a few dvds through their letterbox..the squaddies are receptive to this 911 info..

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Bicnarok · Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 7:18 pm Post subject:

Im suprised at the success, congratulations.

I was in the army and the first gulf war and most of my fellow soldiers were actually looking forward for action to test thier skills, or because they were lunatics (there were a lot of these about.

Its changed since I was in, hopefully there isn´t as much blind loyalty and hunger for action as then. The sad state of affairs in theater and the obvious overwork should help the cause.

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