Who are the good guys on & off this forum?

[THETRUTHWILLSETU3]

So who are the genuine truthers and Web sites out there?

It seems we have all sorts of bogus double agents that it's difficult to see the wood for the trees.

Can anyone provide a list of names who are genuine or not genuine

For example - Mike Ruppert is heavily featured on Freedom to Fascism but elsewhere he is accused of lying about Peak Oil.

Eric Hufschmit seemed to be a genuine guy but then he was linked to Murdoch.

Alex Jones - seems the real Mccoy but he is then accused of avoiding the Zionist links to 911.

Steve Jones starts off appearing genuine but recently has appeared bogus

George Galloway gives the speech of his life to the US senate but then supports the Official Conspiracy Theory

Jeff Rense - what's the crack with this guy?

Dylan Avery & Co - remakes of Loose Change with errors uncorrected?

Why is this site still providing links to In Plane Site when it is riddled with errors?

[Light Infantree]

Its certainly a very good question to ask TTWSU3. At risk of being accused of sitting on the fence, I tend to go with what feels right.

The subject matter has many a twist and turn, and as gradually more and more information comes to light, modifications and 'recuts' are made, the truth is emerging. As for who are the real truther's....? I would say that all those you have listed have got truth at their core. With a web of such complicated construct, it takes an army of them to unpick its fine weave. We are all part of that team of unweavers.

... as opposed to un-beweaver's

[tfayaz]

[Stephen]

Mabe it's just me?*I'm I going MAD! Not more errors on 9-11 video's?

What errors are there on in-Plane site?

[telecasterisation]

[THETRUTHWILLSETU3]

[Stephen]

By Who?

[THETRUTHWILLSETU3]

[SHERITON HOTEL]

[TonyGosling]

Most, if not all the double agents are anonymous web posters like you sir! And what a hash job of an attempt at sowing confusion and divisiveness your 'who are the good guys' post is.

Now, on to the subject in hand. The flashes at impact which feature so heavily in 'In Plane Site' are largely discredited in my mind. I have seen several bits of video film of the second 767 impact that have a good view but none of the video frames have any trace of a flash. It is possible that this film has been messed around with and doctored before Von Kleist got his hands on it.

ANYWAY - the flashes are a peripheral issue and In Plane Site did a great deal to awaken me to the Unanswered Questions surrounding 911. And all in all Dave Von Kleist deserves a medal for getting off his posterieur & at least making a stab at a professional documentary on the 911 conspiracy.

Tony

[THETRUTHWILLSETU3]

I didn't say anything bad about Dave Von Kleist - I think he is a genuine guy & the video is very informative about the Pentagon - but we don't want newbies getting confused about PODS and FLASHES

Presumably that's why it has been taken off the media section of this site

[andrewwatson]

George Washington blog said look at what people have done and I think he's right.

Nevertheless 'gut' feelings are sometimes all we have to go by. There are a few people, some quite well respected, who my gut feeling tells me are not genuine. However I have no shred of evidence so I am probably quite wrong. In case you're wondering, none are regular posters to this site.

By the way Noel and Ian, the clock is still in British Summer Time.

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[Snowygrouch]

I think its a bit of an impossible question to answer in an on-line environment.

How does ANYONE here know I`m who I say I am?

(well actually they DO as I know several people here by face, but thats not the point)

I concur with the above points. However its paraniod to think anyone who posts/speaks/distributes nonsense is a spy etc.

I think there are several sub-divisions

1: Genuine "truthers", god that sounds so corny & rubbish.....
2: Curious watchers
3: Net junkies trawling for kicks (trolls)
4: Attention seekers/money grabbers
5: Individuals with a 'contrary agenda'
6: Bribed/threatened persons
7: Paid intelligence services personell
8: F*****G morons

Myself I very much doubt there are many people from category 7 here on this forum.

I think its far more likely that prominant truth members will be threatened to shut up or distribute nonsense info.

Who they are is anyones guess, there are at least four very active people here (on this forum) who I place in categories 3, 5 & 8.

Eric Huffsmidt seems to post some very paraniod stuff but thats par for the course when you get involved in this buisness seriously....so........

The trouble is there are alot of category 8's all over the world in all professions so thats jus human nature for you

c.

[Stephen]

What about the flashes on 9-11 Eyewitness ??

And I'm bit concerned about what looks like Deliberate mistakes on Terrorstorm

[ian neal]

If anyone knows anything about the 9/11 truth movement it is that what evidence is presented and what evidence is omitted, who presents and their backgrounds and the wider issues they bring into play is incredibly controversial and devisive within the movement

These differences are often summarised by glib short hand that doesn't capture the full debate but is often summarised as

LIHOP / MIHOP
Pods / no pods
Controlled demolition / no controlled demolition
No big boeings / boeings
Peak oil / no imminent peak
Discuss connections to prominent zionists / don't

These 'debates' have been highly accrimonious with unsubstaniated accusations of shill and cointelpro flying around and at various stages the debate has become very personal and polarised. This is why this campaign has adopted as a point of principle that we do not endorse any one presenter or presentation of the evidence precisely to avoid this type of internal warfare and naval gazing.

Now my PERSONAL view is that

1) the case to reopen 9/11 is best made by focussing on the least controversial and most accessible position and that to date this is the evidence/questions surrounding the air defense and intelligence 'failures' and the investigation/cover up questions as presented by Press for Truth

2) Avoid the most controversial areas, period.

But this is my personal view. I do not speak on behalf of the campaign but in support of it as we all do and this applies to anyone within the movement that might be perceived as a spokesperson. To start going down the road of saying that we endorse this person and reject this person because they are a shill, blah, blah, blah, runs the risk of replaying the same old arguments that have plagued the US movement.

So feel free to express personal opinions if you find it helpful, but don't expect the campaign to take a position.

[TonyGosling]

Not all of those paid a salary or freelance to divide and confuse forums such as this one and Indymedia etc. etc. which the forces of darkness really are afraid of will be working for the intelligence services.

IMHO Webster Tarpley is entirely correct in that we are dealing with a rogue network which has several, or many, tentacles and they can put pretty much any broke, vulnerable and/or damaged person to work pissing in our community pot - this forum - with their virtually infinite amounts of cash the money laundering banks such as detailed below can supply.

You know the type of person... nothing is good enough for them and they get off on seeing other people in pain and/or afraid. They are a bit like animals in that theior mindset is all about who is 'top dog'. They are usually enslaved to perverse sexual practices. In many cases they come from broken homes or have lost a dear loved one so may not be entirely to blame for their antisocial attitude to life.

There is Artificial Intelligence and clever computers I suppose as another possibility too, but the following, in no particular order, are likely to be the main pot pissers recruiting ground.

Military Special Forces
Special Branch
Freemasons
Mafia
Satanists
Prostitutes
Drug Rehab. Centres
Mentally Ill People
Mercenaries

You get my drift

Tony Gosling


MONEY-LAUNDERERS TO THE GLOBAL ELITE
http://www.bilderberg.org/nwo.htm#MONEY
by Alf Mendes - 03Nov06 - bilderberg.org

...........As evidence of America’s enormous influence on the global political scene, Wanta was acting as Somalian ambassador to Switzerland when he was arrested by authorities there on July 7, 1993, in Geneva, held for four months, then extradited to Wisconsin to stand trial for state taxes of $14,000 owed for the years 1982 and 1988., and sentenced to 22 years in prison, for a crime which he was not guilty of. He had, in fact, paid the sum noted above twice - under protest! It later transpired that the Wisconsin revenue agent at the trial had fiddled Wantas’ state tax returns: a print out from the State in December 1995 revealed that the sum he owed was $00.15! [5]

Intriguingly, on September 21st 1996 - and while in prison - he wrote a letter to Hillary Rodham Clinton, referring to "U.S. President Bill Clinton's Short Term Notes and IMF Sale of Bullion", reminding her both of his "de-stabilization of the Soviet Union Rubles (SUR)", and how he had "prevented the Soviet & Italian Mafiosa from the Soviet Funds in favour of our U.S. Treasury & Metals Accounts in excess of US$ 150 billion" - closing his letter with the somewhat threatening statement: "Until my legal release from the un-consitutional/ false incarceration in Wisconsin--as a diplomat & non-resident--I am legally interested in the corporate placement of short-term notes & I.M.F. gold bullion/troy ounce delivery contract. Thank you for your kind assistance in this timely situation". In plain english: if he was not released, he would ‘spill the beans’. On Jan. 10, 1997, Wanta received a reply to this letter from Erskine Bowles at the White House, as a result of which, on February 1, 1997, after Bowles had checked with W.H. Agency Relations, Leo Wanta was released on $90,000 bail. His ‘threat’ had proven effective!

Here, it is important to note that at one point “Wanta had bank accounts
at Metishe Bank in Moscow, Avenue Bank on the Champs-Elysee in Paris, Credito Italiano in Milan, Anker Bank in Geneva, Swiss Bank Corporation in Geneva, the Algemeine Spaar in Brussels, the Zentralsparkasse und Kommerzialbank in Vienna, Creditanstalt Bankverein in Vienna, and--the perennial favorite of money launderers--Citibank in Milan, New York, and Los Angeles”. [6] Furthermore, according to Wanta’s Los Angeles attorney, he and President George Bush Snr. had “set up the Ameritrust account in the Credit Suisse bank for the government to use in case it needed to counter terrorists from overseas”.[7]

Inasmuch as banks bear the ultimate responsibility for the movement of money - including that which is ‘laundered’. Their role in this matter will therefore be looked at more closely below..............

Continues here
http://www.bilderberg.org/nwo.htm#MONEY

[SHERITON HOTEL]

Those mystery pre-impact impact point flashes/explosions in both towers, weren't they airbrushed out in some US government films?

And for the life of me I can't see how the underside of what was filmed and photographed hitting the south tower was standard Boeing 767, didn't a Spanish university analyse the pictures and find they was not shadows and were definitely three dimensional?

[TonyGosling]

[SHERITON HOTEL]

Did I mention "pods"? please don't put words in my mouth. I was simply saying that from available photographic evidence, the markings on the underside of whatever hit the south tower were not standard Boeing 767 and that a Spanish university found the markings were three dimensional and not shadows. All suggesting it was a military, likely drone, plane.

My theory about the pre-impact flashes is that they were something to do with the homing mechanism used,drawing these drone planes to their target, possibly combusting pre impact to destroy the evidence. It would have been, of course, imperitive the drones hit the towers and at the tower collapse points in series with the controlled demolition. But that is all supposition.

[Bicnarok]

Im not a die hard "truther".

And I don´t respect anyone who jumps straight into something just because it sounds good, some one sided evidence seems convincing etc.

I think people have to do thier own research and come to thier own conclusions otherwise it turns into some freeky cult where anything can be told and believed.

As this event and its evidence slowly unfolds opinions and ideas will change, I don´t think anyone knows the whole truth execept those involved and maybe even they don´t know the full picture.

I nevertheless smell a turd in the rubble, something isn´t right and there is enough evidence to bring serious doubts about the whole 9/11 and 7/7 events.

[hampton]

Who cares if there were pods or no pods, planes or no planes, etc, etc.

These sound like tactics to muddy the waters.

A couple of years ago it all seemed fairly clear,
but now people are going off in all directions.

Surely if you just stick to the facts there's enough to make most people highly suspicious.
Then let them make up there own minds.