Jon Ronson: Good, Bad or Stupid?

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJ0VkaMRHYs

Henry Kiisinger? "Oh nothing to worry about, just trying to be scary, he's just a big silly cuddly bear, really."

Verdict: Bad!

[kbo234]

It is difficult to disagree. Ronson lightly mocks Kissinger for his 'silly' passion for secrecy.

Secrecy is essential for these people. Same for the masons. Secrecy is one of, if not the most important political issue that remains off the mainstream political agenda.

Jon Ronson is no fool. He skips around all the most serious issues giving the uninformed the impression that there is nothing sinister going on, but only harmless bumbling chaps like himself mucking about, doing their best.

Ronson is their boy, whether he means to be or not...and he is good at his job. He has a patina of innocence and naivity. He homes in on all the most serious issues (9/11, Bilderbergers, the elite's Satanic rituals etc..) and with shoulder-shrugging soppiness endevours, knowingly or not, to divest serious critical analysis of all its energy.

[paul wright]

Yes kbo, I think Ronson has given us all his absurdist paranoid doubts about everyday living in his series of Guardian fripperies, which we can all relate to
His is the silly schoolboy middle class slight rebel to be found all over
I've got a lot of that myself
But on the whole, Jon Ronson isn't worth bothering about, other than the good things he's investigated
We can all take the piss out of what we're about
Why pay him so much regard?
Because he's a bit of a celebrity? Obviously a complete *
We all need to get off that celebrity/power bandwagon. In my experience nobody on it is worth a light if they won't support us
Muse may need to be sorely tested according to their statements - most of them have already failed

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[heart-earth]

Is it just me or dos he look alot like John Lennon.
Imagine could easily be a new world order song ,could it not ?

I 1 2 z us 3

[ian neal]

Imagine = NWO signature song,

shakes head in wonderment. If this is the quality of posts this forum attracts, maybe in its current format, it's had its day

[heart-earth]

You cant truly mean that because I write these imagitive things everybody should be held acountable.
Come on ...

[ian neal]

No, it is clear from the disclaimer that heads this forum, that we are not individually responsible for the collective contents of this website.

[heart-earth]

Seen from that perspectiv I understand that this forum is not one for imagitive thinking.
Looking back I now feel happy about the response you gave me.
From now on I will not post my thinking without leaving a trace of reason.
Finally I think its all about gathering so could the forum not devide into
two fora,with one where the down to earth intelligent post
and one for the nutters ?

[uselesseater]

Having seen the latest offering from Ronson, I feel secure in the belief that such a poor piece of journalism only shows the detractors up for the poverty of their argument.

I think it also demonstrated the ever more frenzied attempts of the left-gatekeepers to keep their flock from realising the truth.

For these reasons I am less concerned about silly hit pieces which seek to ridicule, whilst, at the same time demonstrate the weakness of their argument. I think the New Statesman piece was far worse.

Some of the views on here are the opposite of the campaigns core views, which belong in critics corner. However I don't see how anything to do with JOhn Lennon or climate change can relate directly enough to 9/11 to be in any way opposite to the views of the campaign. Unless it's one of those unwritten things, like when you tell a fellow truther that you do not describe yourself as a socialist.

[TimmyG]

this thread should be deleted.
i don't think ronson is a shill. he is a mainstream reporter who has to tread carefully in order to stay in the mainstream. i'd say he's guilty of nothing other than not being as brave as we'd like him to be.

ronson is owed a big apology from this forum

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[iro]

The likely characters really ought to take a step back and shut the hell up on this issue. People like this are a waste of time as far as im concerned. I want no more to be associated with their kind than i do with nu labour supporters or tory boys. Why is this movement putting up with human filth with half a brain and no cognitive real world sense?

It doesn't matter who or what jon ronson is or what he said - that is not what is important here. It matters who WE are and how we act. That will shape our destiny. Fighting defamatory wars against every person in the culture we live isn't going to achieve anything...but its all these pathetic morons ever do...hop around exposing someone for something or other ... give it up. It has no worth.

we need to change our society and our larger social context. This needs vision and resilience not gutterballing and a tabloid black and white mentality. Time to grow up here.

[mason-free party]

yes but Ronson was involved in making a tv programme designed to ridicule certain conspiracy theorists/truthseekers before the 911 event...maybe he wasn't aware that this a carefully planned agenda to debunk the likes of Icke,Jones but i doubt it...
I signed up to Ronson's forum but guess what...i couldn't even post one comment..banned before i'd even spoken...thats what ya call jon ronson freedom of speech...long live the zionists!

[mason-free party]

[iro]

[ian neal]

In this post, MFP

http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?p=36390&highlight=#363 90

[xmasdale]

[ian neal]

Thanks Noel.

This echoes what I'm saying here

http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?p=36626&highlight=#366 26

Further views welcome before 'we' make any radical changes. 9/11 and other related issues will continue to be discussed on the web and in forums and 'we' should continue to build forums that are sympathetic to the 9/11 truth movement. The issue is maintaining a clear distance between what is said in any forum and a public campaign.

Please post on the site credibility thread. thanks

[TimmyG]

yeah i agree with xmasdale

i'd say a new site and forum are needed. there needs to be a group of people who decide amongst themselves what the agenda of the new site should be. If it is to get better mainstream coverage and uk political recognition of the issues, then the group/site/forum needs to be clear this is the case and focused on acheiving these goals. Rather than it just being a kind of ongoing free for all discussion encompasing any number of non-mainstream topics

[Snowygrouch]

Damn Straight.

I belive that as with ALL things forums have a natural lifecycle. After a period of time they cease to serve their intended function and begin to go off on tangents.

There are a hard core of excellent researchers and activists here; the trouble is there is also a small clientelle of persons who`s opinions and efforts (intentional or otherwise) are highly counterproductive to our general efforts.

Personally I think the forum could do with a small banning excersize to rejuvenate it, however that might be a little too 'police state' for some!

C.

[Ally]

[TonyGosling]

Of course Ronson's not an agent etc - just watch this eye opener from a few years ago


Jon Ronson's long lost ForTheLoveOf - Big Brother. (no, not the reality tv type)
copied from http://www.bilderberg.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=872

It's in five parts as utube only hosts ten minutes at a time, however the very last 2mins are missing, sorry.

PART 1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2vwQf7BEGU

PART 2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktPRUm0Bwa8

PART 3 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INyGiNg7lFk

part 4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlytCbQCtiI

PART 5 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUHEMrMjVfs

[brand_x]

Ruddy 'ell I remember that show 'For the Love of'.

I think that JR did a good job bringing serious stuff on to the mainstream TV, but it is a shame that he had to do it as satire. I'm not in the media so I don't want to judge him.

I will say that I have read his book 'Them: Aventures with Extemists' and it has to be said it was the easiest book that I have ever read, it was written at a level that ten year olds could manage.

[uselesseater]

That was an awesome show, which I used to rant about to anyone who would listen. Thanks for the link Tony