'Dancing Israelis' appear on TV

[HERA]

http://www.rense.com/general74/lik.htm
Three of the five "dancing Israelis" appeared on an Israeli television show to explain that they were sent to document the event.
Here is a 2.5Mb excerpt of them: http://www.iamthewitness.com/video/ForBollynsSpeech11Nov2006_DancingIs raelis.wmv

The Zionists justify their knowledge of the attack by claiming they had followed the Arab terrorists and discovered their dastardly plans.

The Zionists claim to have warned a few government employees of the upcoming attack, but they never bothered to tell their friends in the news organizations.

The far right Likud party of Israel grew out of the Zionist terrorist gang known as the IRGUN - a fascist organization created by Vladimir Jabotinsky of Odessa. This is the same terror gang that blew up the King David Hotel in Jerusalem and committed terrorist acts across Palestine and beyond in the 1930s and 40s.

Terrorism, particularly "false-flag" terror in which the blame for a terror attack is wrongly assigned to the enemy, is a strategy and tactic developed and perfected by the Zionists.

The so-called "war on terror" is also a Zionist construct first articulated by Benjamin Netanyahu in the early 1980s. There was a earlier concept developed in Israel called "TNT" which stood for the Hebrew "Terror Neged Terror" or "terror against terror."

The blueprint for the "war on terror" is found in Netanyahu's 1986 book "Terrorism: How the West Can Win." In his speeches and writings, Netanyahu, whose father was the secretary for Vladimir Jabotinsky, and a leader in his New Zionist Organization, promotes the "war on terror" to be waged against Israel's enemies.

The evidence and the motivation for 9/11 all point to the criminal Likud party and their hard-core Zionist supporters in the United States, Britain, Canada, and Australia. ..........
http://www.rense.com/general74/lik.htm

[PaulStott]

There is so much rubbish on the Rense site it is hard to know where to start.

Take the two paragraphs below as an example. The conclusion in para 2 is in no way supported by the evidence provided in paragraph 1, yet it is asserted as fact that false flag terrorism was developed by Zionists.

[Mr-Bridger]

There is so much rubbish on the Rense site it is hard to know where to start.

hahahahahh

[PaulStott]

Would you care to comment on the specific example I gave above, and inform us how the conclusions are supported by the evidence given?

[sr4470]

Well Jeff Rense doesn't censor or monitor the articles, he does allow a wide range of viewpoints and basically full free speech on the site...obviously this has its drawbacks. Just take the good with the bad and ignore the unfounded speculation.

Edit: As some of you may know, the False Flag term comes from British ships flying the enemy flag when launching these kind of operations. Long before the 20th century

[blackcat]

Ok then "further developed and perfected by the Zionists". Is that better?

[PaulStott]

[blackcat]

I do not agree they have "perfected" it. Not getting away with 9/11 will see to that.

[outsider]

[rodin]

[Abandoned Ego]

I find all this talk about Dancing Israelis on the one hand, and what is in the same breath, allegedly the most sophisticated cunning intelligence agency in the world to be quite frankly outrageously funny. Particularly when those people then cite these Dancing Israelis as proof that Mossad did 9/11.

If this was indeed the case, who amongst us can see that that isnt being particularly cunning or deceptive. On the contrary, thats the village idiot programme.

What does pass for slightly more clever however, is if this was some kind of planned 'pass-the-parcel' distraction by the upper echelon intelligence Cabal ( joint intel ops) that were responsible, in order to get groups of people shouting "Israel, Israel", with all the associated implications that are subsequently pounced upon. If it was, it sure as hell seems to have worked on some of us.

And secondly, given that Mossad is being accredited in articles on sites like Rense of developing and perfecting false flag terrorism, then not only was the "Dancing Israelis episode" not exactly perfect, but secondly, exactly how long have these guys been busy with this kind of thing ?

I mean, were they around when Nero burned Rome ? Were they the architects of the USS Maine affair circa 1901 ? Perhaps they were consulted by Hitler before he burned down the Reichstag, or planned his border radio station false flag op in order to invade Poland ?

Come on guys. Surely were better than listening to this dancing-Israelis- implicates-Mossad kinda drivel ?

[blackcat]

It ain't just the dancing Israelis. Its all the rest of the Zionist connection including the Israeli national who as head of homeland security spirited these Israelis out of the USA without them having having to face serious questioning. Then there's the Israeli owned security companies at the airports. There is the connection with Silverstein and Netanyahu. The convenient move out of the wtc of an Israeli shipping company just a few weeks before the strike. Rodriguez's statement about the missing Israelis from work on the day. The Israeli national in charge of the Pentagon budget when $2.3 trillion went missing, which as a massive scandal was conveniently buried by 9/11 and has still to be seriously raised. There are connections between Israel and the 7th July bombings as well. The hand of Mossad/Israel is writ large on all events surrounding 9/11, 7/7, Lockerbie and probably the Spain and Bali bombs as well. Unless it becomes widespread knowledge that the murderers are making their victims (Muslims) appear to be the culprits, it is more of the same until greater Israel is created. At whatever cost to these insane people.

[rodin]

[Banish]

I saw this youtube ages ago, hang on....


Link

[Graham]

[Gibson]

[rodin]

[suspecta]

The evidence of the dancing Israelis could well be conclusively damning, but only if one detail can be established beyond any doubt - that they were filming the attacks as they happened, not from sometime afterwards.

They admitted they were sent to document the event; did they ever say by whom? They were supposed to be removal men working for a company called Moving Systems, run by one Dominic Suter. Why did Dominic Suter flee before he could be properly interviewed?

The whole thing sucks but they kind of got away with it and without that crucial evidence as to when exactly they started filming.....

I've argued with a bunch of right-wing Americans about this and they've just said: so what, big deal, they were filming the towers as they burnt, who cares? Unfortunately you just can't nail this one without the hard evidence of exactly when they started filming.

Suspecta

[blackcat]

It isn't just a case of when they started filming. Their behaviour was so peculiar that many people rang the police to complain and report them. They are not referred to as "the dancing Israelis" for nothing. They were expressing great pleasure at the event - as if they were celebrating success perhaps? There was evidence of explosives in their van and other suspicious articles were found. Most damning of all is the way they were allowed out of the USA by the Israeli passport-holding Chertoff who was head of homeland security. Just another of dozens of 9/11 events that stink.

[suspecta]

[Keith Mothersson]

I think 'hand of Rothschild behind 911' goes way beyond the evidence.

I think there has been interpenetration of secret and elite power groups in Israel and UK with those of the main designers and perps IMO, who will be found eventually to have been drawn from US ruling circles including a few key representatives from top military, oil, financial and security companies and also State agencies such as CIA, NSA.

The evidence is strong of some degree of Israeli involvement qua fanatical Zionist and Mossad and offshoot companies (not qua Jew obviously). (Blackbear post above). Our problem is to break out of the taboos which privilege Zionism as a key part of the Global architecture entitled to be immune from criticism, on the one hand, and also avoid falling into obsessive and genuine antisemitism on the other hand.

So how do we read the 'dancing Israelis'?

a) there to film?
either 1) believing that what they would film would only be impact(s) by one or more Arab-hijacked plane(s) and subsequent scores of deaths?
or else 2) what they would film would be demolition as well?
The latter more likely IMO but they could still perhaps have been duped to some extent since those involved in one level of likely damage (arranging for the planes to fly into buildings, WTC93 reprised ?) might not have known about the plans (possibly laid by some other faction in mil-industrial complex) to hi-jack the lower-level plotting and bounce everyone much further though Controlled demolition, domestic coup, threatening Putin through access to nuke codes).

b) there to celebrate their handiwork as one of perhaps several subcontracted teams (some veteran CIA left over from Vietnam, Laos, Contragate, etc) of explosive-laying moles brought in by the higher level designers?

c) there to appear to be Arabs? (stand-in patsies till the FBI list came out, thereafter reinforcement patsies).

d) deliberately set up (who really reported them?) to bind in and compromise Israel so that if the plot goes pearshape and other built-in distractor layers of the onion get penetrated (Saudis, Pakistanis - as per this classic article by Kupferberg http://globalresearch.ca/articles/KUP310A.html ) then the trail would be bound to exhaust itself at Israel and not turn back to the US, whose political and military-industrial leaders are more likely to be 'Christian' than Jewish Zionists, and some of whom are arguably outright Nazis (the Bush clan).

e) as insurance lightning rods?: the same as d) but in a more anti-semitic (not just anti-Israel) version - dancing yids as fall-back reserve and additional patsies - , for when the * really hits the fan in race war to head off impeachment, it could be to White Power neo-nazi penetrated sections of the army and police they look for salvation, and a few pogroms in Manhattan would then be a small price to pay. (We know the White Power people are encouraging there members to join up to go to Baghdad to get practice killing nonwhites, and then come home with guns, night-goggles and anything else they can loot from the US army, if not come home as the US army. Bush'es surge strategy as a late training course, Northern-Irish style, for neonazi militias?)

Nazis and Zionists have worked with each other before to a degree, but very much as a marriage of convenience. Jews have traditonally been used as 'lightning rods' for popular anger in Euopean Christendom. If it was the only way for, say, papa Bush or Cheney to stay out of courts, then I am sure they would play the anti-semitic card without blushing (though breaking with Israel doubtless requires beefed up personal security I dare say, even though Israel might welcome extra Jews flooding into Israel??).

f) The dancing Israelis were designed in to serve as culture wars dividers so that the US equivalents of Guardian readers could be scared off from joining the plebian riff raff of the 911 truth movement with our uneducated 'conspiracist mindsets' and and 'anti-semitic canards'.

Actually almost none of these angles necessarily contradicts the others , which isn't to say that they were all in the conscious minds of the fiendish plotters.

Now why would Mossad/the Israelis state authorise this extraordinarily significant revelation to be slipped out just before Xmas at this time over five years later?

I see it in the context of Israel's failure to break Hezbollah and its very alarmed reaction to Bush'es reversals in mid-terms and the rather less-Israel-friendly wing of US power (Baker report). See Brigadier-General Tira's call for maximum Zionist-lobby activity to push the US and Europe, even Saudis, into war with Iran. http://www.endofempire.org/news_eoe.php?page=301 (great website, BTW)

In this context of a last-ditch push, neocon surge, smash Iran or we will be pushed into the sea paranoia, authorising these three men to spill some beans could be a threat to Cheney-BushCo - for binding in and compromising another (as per point d above) can work two ways. Once one has entered into a criminal compact with another then either party can say 'If I/we go down, you go down, so you had better help me/us.' (There was maybe some similar unilateral jostling within a common plan also evident in Scotland Yard and Mossad arguing about who gave who advance intel about 7/7). Just a hunch.

Mind you the planes and the building collapses and the dancing Israelis were all probably just a co-incidence

[blackcat]

That has got to be the biggest guff I have read on this site.
I have just finished watching a half-hour documentary on the Anthrax scare of September 2001 where the conclusion drawn was that a patriotic American sent the packages, as he misguidedly wanted to draw attention to the lack of adequate precautions existing. Never mind to whom the packages were sent (opponents of the Iraq war) or that nine people died! Once it was established it was weapon's grade US Anthrax and could no longer be pinned on those pesky Arabs it has to be spun that it was done in the "best possible taste". So nobody is found guilty and Israel remains beyond suspicion. Christ - this junk just gets worse and worse.

[Keith Mothersson]

Black cat: of course the anthrax spin is nonsense but what evidence do you have to say the trail should lead to Israel and not Fort Detrick, US Military?
Also it doesn't help any of us to call what has gone before the biggest guff. If you aren't prepared to patiently explain to us with evidence, then at least don't add negativity, please.

Here is an e-mail reply from a friend in Glasgow, whose views I asked:

"From the start I tended to go for d) and I don't think that rules out
Zionists like Zakheim because I see no reason to take their commitment to Israel that seriously- that could all be for the benefit of the Christian
Zionists. It seems to me to be a simple error to assume the neocons are in it for the sake of Israel - just as likely an anglo Jewish clique seeking to
control the US and the world i.e. the traditional post English revolution
elite. Therefore they could be trying to set up Israel to carry the can if
things go wrong.

The problem with this is the evidence that their van had been used to transport explosives, but how reliable is that. If they were directly linked to the attacks it seems bizarre in the extreme that they should behave like that. Interesting that Justin Raimondo (antiwar.com) picked up on this aspect immediately, picking it in isolation from all the other evidence of conspiracy(has even written book on it). Raimondo is Buchananite right, so gives some indication of possible "anglo-saxon" backlash."


One reference I could have offered and will now is 9/11 and the American Empire - Intellectuals speak out, ed David Ray Griffin and Peter Dale Scott, in particular the final essay by Peter Phillips with Bridget Thornton and Celste Vogler: Parameters of Power in the Global Dominance Group: 9/11 and Election Irregularities in Context.

They see the Global Dominance group institutionally, in relation to te five main economic interest groups: Morgan, Mellon, Rockefeller, Dupont, Cleveland Steel and sees PNAC as sonly one of a whole web of institutions which connect global dominance HCPE (Higher Circle Policy Elites) and large military contractors, listed at the end of the article, such as Lockheed Martin, Halliburton, Carlyle, and Nortrop Grumman. Such companies also old huge holdings and ingterlocking directorates in Media and PR companies involved in controlling tha public's take on 9/11 and election theft.

They also list the 16 main Global Dominance Group Thinktanks/Advocacy orgs and also 12 Agencies and Departments, and finally comes a list of 236 beneficiaries from 9/11 who have held high positions in the George W Bush administration, sit on the boards of the seven top military contractors who derive at least a thrid of their income from DoD and Homeland Secuirty contracts, plus directors of Carlyle and Bechtel Groups (because of high level influence and revolving door personnel in both Bush administrations and Reagan's), and are members of the above Thintanks/Agencies.

From this database one can then check out the institutional connections of someone - e.g. Zakheim mentioned in the above post:

Dov S Zakheim: PNAC; Heritage Foundation; Council on Foreign relations; DoD: Northrop Grumman; McDonnell Douglas; Committee on Present Danger.

All very dry stuff to be sure. But a good balance to people who just know already that Israel dun it, or who assume the 911 designers will have done what they did out of inherent wickedness or control by even higher Illuminati elites unrelated to capital interests and institutional networks.

[outsider]

[Lee]

Look for a videodownloader on mozilla

I have the dancing Israeli footage as part of a larger project. I can send it to you if you wish.

[outsider]

Running through this thread, I realised that no one had responded to my 'USS Liberty' reference. Does this mean that the Mossad and Zionist apologists realise that on that murderous occasion, they don't have a leg to stand on? And that occasion was bigger than 9/11 - it involved the US bombing Egypt with nuclear bombs, in retaliation for 'Egypt's' (in reality Israel's) attack on the 'Liberty, and then moving in and taking over the whole mid-east and it's lovely oil (though they might graciously have left a few isolated patches of sand for the Arab survivors).

[Stefan]

Outsider,
Doesn't the Liberty incident, when you look at the evidence, appear to be a US False Flag with Israel as partners, rather than a "Zionist" plot?

[outsider]

[Stefan]

[ian neal]