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THETRUTHWILLSETU3 9/11 Truth critic
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Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 10:47 pm Post subject: Conclusive evidence for no planes |
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Ok Falleous, Snowy, John White and co - I challenge you to debunk this - see link below
NO WAFFLING PLEASE
http://youtube.com/watch?v=6VbDLbVbDeI |
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marky 54 Mega Poster
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Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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the last question was left unanswered so it proves nothing and isnt conclusive. it debunks itself really no need to even try or it was poor editing.
correct me if im wrong but was that a plane in the footage? |
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Fallious Moderate Poster
Joined: 27 Oct 2006 Posts: 762
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Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 11:07 pm Post subject: Re: Conclusive evidence for no planes |
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I've changed my mind and it's even simpler. I simply don't expect the plane to be visible.
I'll humour you, because this BS is gone from here soon.
Perhaps you could point out similar sized objects for me, even at the medium zoom? The north tower mast? helicopters? At the furthest zoom, the VAST towers themselves hardly take up a few pixels. What exactly makes you think a plane would be visible on film?
I remind you of the Naudet Bros first impact. Even in your screwy NPT 'recreations' the plane is hardly visible. These are comparatively small objects in a vast blue/grey sky.
Find some high resolution, raw footage. _________________ "Thought is faster than arrows, and truth is sharper than blades." - David Gemmell | RealityDown wiki |
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THETRUTHWILLSETU3 9/11 Truth critic
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Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 11:11 pm Post subject: Re: Conclusive evidence for no planes |
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Fallious wrote: |
I've changed my mind and it's even simpler. I simply don't expect the plane to be visible.
I'll humour you, because this BS is gone from here soon.
Perhaps you could point out similar sized objects for me, even at the medium zoom? The north tower mast? helicopters? At the furthest zoom, the VAST towers themselves hardly take up a few pixels. What exactly makes you think a plane would be visible on film?
I remind you of the Naudet Bros first impact. Even in your screwy NPT 'recreations' the plane is hardly visible. These are comparatively small objects in a vast blue/grey sky.
Find some high resolution, raw footage. |
You failed |
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Fallious Moderate Poster
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Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 11:16 pm Post subject: |
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Welcome to critics corner.
*lolling at you from the credible theory forums*
Your movie isn't news, but your ultimate failure to infiltrate this forum with your BS theory certainly is. _________________ "Thought is faster than arrows, and truth is sharper than blades." - David Gemmell | RealityDown wiki |
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marky 54 Mega Poster
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Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 11:24 pm Post subject: Re: Conclusive evidence for no planes |
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THETRUTHWILLSETU3 wrote: | Fallious wrote: |
I've changed my mind and it's even simpler. I simply don't expect the plane to be visible.
I'll humour you, because this BS is gone from here soon.
Perhaps you could point out similar sized objects for me, even at the medium zoom? The north tower mast? helicopters? At the furthest zoom, the VAST towers themselves hardly take up a few pixels. What exactly makes you think a plane would be visible on film?
I remind you of the Naudet Bros first impact. Even in your screwy NPT 'recreations' the plane is hardly visible. These are comparatively small objects in a vast blue/grey sky.
Find some high resolution, raw footage. |
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reading between the lines "you failed" proberbly means: you have a point you might be right but i cannot admit it, so ill go of and find more clips to make something of because being right is far more important than truth. |
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John White Site Admin
Joined: 27 Mar 2006 Posts: 3187 Location: Here to help!
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Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 11:27 pm Post subject: |
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All NPT threads in general chat until the new section is ready please
(thread moved from News: TWSU3, how is it "news" that your challenging Fallious etc to debunk a film off YouTube again) _________________ Free your Self and Free the World
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THETRUTHWILLSETU3 9/11 Truth critic
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Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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Yep you cannot debunk it ------you failed |
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Snowygrouch Validated Poster
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Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 11:52 pm Post subject: |
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de-bunking requires the existence of "BUNK" to start with.
NPT has no evidence that even comes close to being even as good as "bunk".
"Bunk3 n, informal, dated: Nonsense"
"Bunkum (also buncomb) n, informal, dated: Nonsense"
Your argument is hereby de-bunked as it does not even qualify as nonsense. _________________ The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists, and will persist
President Eisenhower 1961 |
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thought criminal Moderate Poster
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Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 11:59 pm Post subject: |
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THETRUTHWILLSETU3 wrote: | Yep you cannot debunk it ------you failed |
Of course they failed. They failed because they are unequivocally wrong. I dunno what has happened. Maybe the devil got to them eventually.
Also, isn't it funny how the dialogue of the plane huggers replicates that of the general critic of the 9/11 truth movement? See below.
Quote: | TWSU3, how is it "news" that your challenging Fallious etc to debunk a film off YouTube again)
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Snowygrouch Validated Poster
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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 12:04 am Post subject: Typical NPT logic |
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Yawn..... _________________ The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists, and will persist
President Eisenhower 1961 |
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Patrick Brown 9/11 Truth critic
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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 12:07 am Post subject: |
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Am I the only person that is sick to death of this sewer dweller? All this member does is constantly post dis-info and sh*t on good threads and turn them into slagging matches. This member is responsible for distorting and damaging this forum and should be warned that if they don't make an effort to be more respectful in their postings they will be removed. I'd just ban the member as he is obviously a liar and a disinfomationist. _________________ We check the evidence and then archive it: www.911evidencebase.co.uk
Get the Steven E Jones reports >HERE< |
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Fallious Moderate Poster
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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 12:13 am Post subject: |
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Patrick Brown wrote: | Am I the only person that is sick to death of this sewer dweller? All this member does is constantly post dis-info and sh*t on good threads and turn them into slagging matches. This member is responsible for distorting and damaging this forum and should be warned that if they don't make an effort to be more respectful in their postings they will be removed. I'd just ban the member as he is obviously a liar and a disinfomationist. |
That's the most polite post you've made today. _________________ "Thought is faster than arrows, and truth is sharper than blades." - David Gemmell | RealityDown wiki |
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John White Site Admin
Joined: 27 Mar 2006 Posts: 3187 Location: Here to help!
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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 12:18 am Post subject: |
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Does 42 minutes count as long enough to allow for a fair return of debunking the bunkiness?
Also, does the claim of failure to debunk in this case count as defacto admission of succesfull debunking on other occasions?
Otherwise, would it not be better to go "NPT IS INVINCIBLE!!!" and run around the room imitating a holographic plane? _________________ Free your Self and Free the World |
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THETRUTHWILLSETU3 9/11 Truth critic
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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 12:20 am Post subject: |
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Patrick Brown wrote: | Am I the only person that is sick to death of this sewer dweller? All this member does is constantly post dis-info and sh*t on good threads and turn them into slagging matches. This member is responsible for distorting and damaging this forum and should be warned that if they don't make an effort to be more respectful in their postings they will be removed. I'd just ban the member as he is obviously a liar and a disinfomationist. |
So why are you quoting Killtown if you believe all no planers are liars? |
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Patrick Brown 9/11 Truth critic
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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 12:26 am Post subject: |
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Fallious wrote: | Patrick Brown wrote: | Am I the only person that is sick to death of this sewer dweller? All this member does is constantly post dis-info and sh*t on good threads and turn them into slagging matches. This member is responsible for distorting and damaging this forum and should be warned that if they don't make an effort to be more respectful in their postings they will be removed. I'd just ban the member as he is obviously a liar and a disinfomationist. |
That's the most polite post you've made today. |
I try my best! _________________ We check the evidence and then archive it: www.911evidencebase.co.uk
Get the Steven E Jones reports >HERE< |
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Fallious Moderate Poster
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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 12:26 am Post subject: |
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THETRUTHWILLSETU3 wrote: | Patrick Brown wrote: | Am I the only person that is sick to death of this sewer dweller? All this member does is constantly post dis-info and sh*t on good threads and turn them into slagging matches. This member is responsible for distorting and damaging this forum and should be warned that if they don't make an effort to be more respectful in their postings they will be removed. I'd just ban the member as he is obviously a liar and a disinfomationist. |
So why are you quoting Killtown if you believe all no planers are liars? |
Desperate little flower. Not everyone limits their posting to only information which corroborates their fragile world view. Some of us are big enough to even reference NIST and FEMA reports! Whatever next! ...It'd be like we were collaborating... in research!? _________________ "Thought is faster than arrows, and truth is sharper than blades." - David Gemmell | RealityDown wiki
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Patrick Brown 9/11 Truth critic
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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 12:27 am Post subject: |
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THETRUTHWILLSETU3 wrote: | Patrick Brown wrote: | Am I the only person that is sick to death of this sewer dweller? All this member does is constantly post dis-info and sh*t on good threads and turn them into slagging matches. This member is responsible for distorting and damaging this forum and should be warned that if they don't make an effort to be more respectful in their postings they will be removed. I'd just ban the member as he is obviously a liar and a disinfomationist. |
So why are you quoting Killtown if you believe all no planers are liars? |
Yawn _________________ We check the evidence and then archive it: www.911evidencebase.co.uk
Get the Steven E Jones reports >HERE< |
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THETRUTHWILLSETU3 9/11 Truth critic
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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 12:29 am Post subject: |
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Snowygrouch wrote: | de-bunking requires the existence of "BUNK" to start with.
NPT has no evidence that even comes close to being even as good as "bunk".
"Bunk3 n, informal, dated: Nonsense"
"Bunkum (also buncomb) n, informal, dated: Nonsense"
Your argument is hereby de-bunked as it does not even qualify as nonsense. |
AS I THOUGHT FROM YOU SNOWY -----100% PROOF WAFFLE |
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thought criminal Moderate Poster
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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 12:30 am Post subject: |
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Patrick Brown wrote: | Am I the only person that is sick to death of this sewer dweller? All this member does is constantly post dis-info and sh*t on good threads and turn them into slagging matches. This member is responsible for distorting and damaging this forum and should be warned that if they don't make an effort to be more respectful in their postings they will be removed. I'd just ban the member as he is obviously a liar and a disinfomationist. |
I have been reading a great deal of the content on here and I take my hats of to the moderators who have to clean up the mess of neanderthals such as yourself. I have also noted that one of the primary forces behind the polluted atmosphere is you Patrick Brown.
Patrick Brown, you are a * stirrer who is basically out to poach users from this forum. I ask the moderators to scroll back over this week's postings alone because it is crystal clear who has been the most provocative member. Go back to that forum of yours and take those toads, Fallious and Ironsnot and your underhand agenda with you and leave the rest of us in peace.
Goodnight.
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Snowygrouch Validated Poster
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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 12:32 am Post subject: Bored already! |
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Yawn.... _________________ The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists, and will persist
President Eisenhower 1961 |
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Patrick Brown 9/11 Truth critic
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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 12:32 am Post subject: |
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Goodnight... Yawn _________________ We check the evidence and then archive it: www.911evidencebase.co.uk
Get the Steven E Jones reports >HERE< |
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Fallious Moderate Poster
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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 12:35 am Post subject: |
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.. Oh.. I mean, yawn... _________________ "Thought is faster than arrows, and truth is sharper than blades." - David Gemmell | RealityDown wiki |
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THETRUTHWILLSETU3 9/11 Truth critic
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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 12:41 am Post subject: |
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Patrick Brown wrote: | Goodnight... Yawn |
So why are you quoting Killtown if you believe all no planers are liars? |
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Snowygrouch Validated Poster
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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 12:53 am Post subject: |
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*Huge Yawn*
Zzzz.........
*Snore* _________________ The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists, and will persist
President Eisenhower 1961 |
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THETRUTHWILLSETU3 9/11 Truth critic
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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 12:59 am Post subject: |
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AS I THOUGHT FROM YOU SNOWY -----100% PROOF WAFFLE |
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marky 54 Mega Poster
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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 3:40 am Post subject: |
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what the....
this is getting crazy, they post stuff that proves nothing or has faults, you ask them questions and get ignored. they start 10 threads a day on beams/NPT and expect us all to agree with them on their say so.
show some evidence for god sakes you want people to taken seriously yet for months we have had clips linked that prove nothing. you cannot argue your case without insults and do not explain why what we say is wrong you just ignore us and make a little remark that means nothing.
grow up! show some evidence and debate it. not show a clip of a plane that isnt a plane while grasping hold of the flimsiest thing in it and then personnally slandering everyone who disagrees. your losing you credibility if you had any left after months of this nonsense.
you avoid debate because its the only way to keep your fantasy alive.
no planes has got to your heads, its now about proving us wrong RATHER THAN SHOWING EVIDENCE AND DEBATING IT SO WE CAN SEE WHAT YOU MEAN! we point out faults with the theory you ignore them and then repost more nonsense saying the same stuff that got bobbed on in the other threads. address our issues for god sake point by point.
IT ISNT ABOUT BEING BETTER THAN ANYONE ELSE OR BEATING ANYONE ELSE! so debate and stop avoiding the problems we see and explain with NPT and address them.
your arguements are getting childish, im sure im gonna hear this excuse soon "NPT is true because my daddy is better than yours so there" to explain away everyones questions so you can avoid them. |
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marky 54 Mega Poster
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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 3:49 am Post subject: |
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at the end of the film the guy says he accounted for drag on the plane, and it matched the flight path. he then says he thought he'd proved himself wrong.
he then says that he was left to wonder if the drag played a part in why the plane wasnt in view and then the video cuts of.
do we know the answer? was it drag on the plane that caused it? if not proof please of some sort of calculation at least, otherwise it debunked itself proving it must of been drag.
ignore my question if you like but it will prove how NPT'ers just avoid everything we ask and then will post a differant video in 2 months saying the same thing and so the cycle starts again. |
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John White Site Admin
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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 8:13 am Post subject: |
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Well, TWSU3 has ignored my question as to whether the challenge to debunk this film is a defacto admission that others have been succesfully debunked
The dodged drag question is obviously also there
Rather obviously, the guys assesement of where the plane should be relies on the assumption that the approach was at a fixed altitude exactly horizontal to the ground at a constant speed over several miles. Was it? evidence for that please: or the plane is NEVER going to be where he is predicting it "should" be
Once again, where is the original footage and not a low res knock off?
And theres a plane on this film
Other than that, this film is perfect evidance, well done everyone (yes, I'm being mildly sarcastic)
Why can't NPT theorists anticipate these drawbacks before posting this stuff? _________________ Free your Self and Free the World |
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Thermate Angel - now passed away
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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 9:28 am Post subject: |
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John White wrote: | Why can't NPT theorists anticipate these drawbacks before posting this stuff? |
Just by posting it they have achieved their mission, it making sense is in no way required (or even desired).
Zzzzz
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