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| blackcat wrote: | | .....The argument that the innocent have nothing to fear from being suspected could apply to any walk of life and would result in authority having dangerous powers which they ALWAYS abuse! |
Hear, hear.
This is the most difficult argument to challenge and it is always put forward, often by members of the public, with each new encroachment of the Orwellian state.
People need to understand the dubious motives of the state in imposing these and other systems.
The government is NOT WORKING FOR US.
Real power rests with the bankers and corporatists. They control government using the tool of masonry and the controlled media and they feed the government with policies generated by their own private think-tanks. People need to understand that ours is a society that operates along the lines described in the writings of Adam Weishaupt, Albert Pike and the Protocols of Zion. Government presents itself as our friend and servant but on important matters it is our enemy, our (virtual) master and the most active and serious threat to our very lives.
That is why we should oppose all these creepy surveillance systems.
If some people cheat the benefits system, let it be on their conscience. It might create friction and bad feeling in the community but it does the economy no harm. |
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Is that a cop car siren dubbed in?
Waynetta Slob on the "war on terror". Hahaha. |
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| Quote: | | Thank you for posting this here 'Chaos Warrior'. |
Your welcome kbo234  Glad you enjoyed the video. It IS a bit of an eye opener isn't it?!!
| Quote: | The political agenda of anyone who recognises 9/11 truth should (having exposed this truth to the wider world) be to:
1) Return the power of money creation to government.
2) Pass laws that promote open government (outlaw secret societies and the taking of oaths of improper allegiance )...or at least ban the participation in any position of influence of a person who has taken such oaths.
3) Dismantle the Corporations. Let them return to their original purpose....i.e. short-term, temporary organisations assigned to complete a specific task.
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Pretty much...although I personally would like to see the present form of governing this country radically changed.
The politicians should be much more accountable to us...their employers..than they are at present.
I have a strong feeling for instance that if there was a rule which made any politician who wants a war forced to serve on the front line we would see far fewer wars.
I totally agree with the more open government remark.
Perhaps if our politicians were not allowed to earn so much money or have private donations made to their campaigns we would see more fairness and equality in our society....they should be expected to live on a reasonable wage the same as they expect us to. And without the power to award themselves and their Fat Cat buddies huge rises and perks while cutting wages, benefits and services to the rest of us.
Argument for a maximum wage perhaps?
Dunno if you have ever heard of ParEcon...(Participation In Economy) but I feel it could be the basis for something much better then the corruption riddled monster we have at present.
It is an economy which proposes an alternative to contemporary capitalism. The underlying values of ParEcon are equity, solidarity, diversity, and participatory self management.
Thing is...capitalism as we know it simply can't go on. Sooner rather than later we will have NO choice but to switch to a newer and fairer system...both for the sake of our planet and for the future of our people.
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| Chaos Warrior wrote: | | You castigate single mothers and feel they have no rights and you claim that 75% of unempoyed people are "fiddling" the system. I wonder where that figure of 75% comes from. |
It doesnt matter where the figure comes from, it's probably near the mark anyway - why else would the state think about introducing such drastic measures such as lie detectors? I personally don't have a problem with people fiddling with the state or young women being single mothers to get out of work, it is still a dangerous trend for the future purely because people see welfare as a right rather than a privilege and it is this kind of mindset that breeds resentment from the working classes. Yes there are people who legitimately have lost their jobs or are between jobs, and there are people who would rather not work becasue they want to find a job that will satisfy their lives, not just fill a vacancy because it's there. Beggars can't be choosers some say.
| Quote: | | Thermate...have you ANY idea how hard people find it to get by on the low amount of benefits they get in this country? How it affects their belief in themselves and how they percieve themselves? |
Why should the benefits be higher? The point is to make them low, it is an incentive to find work. Why should the working classes contribute more so the jobless can believe in themselves? Money doesnt find you love nor does it empower the individual, the state is not responsible for the individual's spiritual strength.
| Quote: | | As most people on benefits are usually forced to have electricity and gas meters they actually pay much more for their energy bills than the people who have the money to afford the bills due to surcharges to the energy companies and actually subsidising the wage earner. |
I like it! Think of it as give and take, the tax from the working classes are given to the jobless and in turn it is then used to subsidise the working classes' energy bills - ingenious! The gas and electricity companies put these meters in for those people who they have had trouble with paying/budgeting their bills, it doesnt just affect those on benefits. Yes, the cost of energy is higher for those with meters and that is an outrage. Please don't assume it subsidises the working classes, that is an insult. If you look at it from the POV of the gas and electricity companies, ithe increase in energy prices is probably their way of recouping lost money/interest when people dont pay up in time or at all
| Quote: | I certainly have never met or spoken to any unemployed people who have a Spanish villa..they are too concerned with putting the next meal on the table to even have time to consider any sort of holiday..never mind this sort of pasttime.
IMHO it is important that we do not allow the Truth movement to become fragmented by buying into establishment fallacies and mindgames. |
Ummm... Slight envy there? Isnt it better to hold a balanced view of the world rather than one of envy? What sort of analogy are you presenting, saying an unemployed person doesnt have a spanish villa? What has that got to do with anything? My grandparents never went on welfare, they didnt believe in it, they had 5 children and when times were hard they had carrots & potatoes for dinner for weeks at a time. So when you worry about putting food on the table, think of situations like that, not knowing if there would be any money coming in to keep warm or to eat properly. At least those on benefits are safe in the knowledge that they will receive something, that their housing is paid for and all the taxes sorted for them.
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| blackcat wrote: | The amount of money that is lost to benefit cheats is eclipsed by the money people are entitled to but goes unclaimed for a variety of reasons. There is no problem. They blame the victims to keep the heat off the guilty.
Thermate - if you need to sneer at others to make yourself feel better then there is something deeply wrong with yourself. |
We have a daughter with "Tourette Syndrome". We subbmitted this info. We only found out were entitled to help from another parent. The DWP did not tell us thing. We struggled for 3 years with out support. After three appeal letters, and my wife having to go through a humiliating tribunal sitting, we got the payment. This money is for anyone with disabled kids. but they do not advertise it. So if you know anyone with disabled kids. Tell them about DLA (Disabilty Living Allowence) CA (Carers Allowence). They will not tell them.
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| flamesong wrote: | | Thermate wrote: | | That's bs. Benefit theft is rife, from my experience I'd say ~75% of claimants are fiddling in some way or other. If you like paying taxes to fund 'Bob the Builders' Spanish villa, feel free. I'll carry on being a "truther" thanks. |
I'm at a loss for words.
When I read stuff like you have been posting I feel ashamed that I am associated with you in any way. |
Thermate is right actually. The apparently altruistic 'social security' is I am afraid named in true Orwellian tradition. It is Bolshevism by another name. You are responding emotionally as you are supposed to. Behind the system lies a cold mathematical self-destruct mechanism called POSITIVE FEEDBACK.
It works in exactly the same way as the loudspeaker/amplifer/microphone loop @ a badly-mixed pop concert. To create a runaway instability.
x=x+deltax
loop endlessly
watch the exponential rise in x
for x substitute
debt/interest (how we pay for social services - even more efficiently with PFI)
Nothing (much) is as it seems.
Socialism will enslave humanity. It is in the formula.
Not saying the answer is capitalism either. At least not the monopoly capitalism we are used to. Anything nationalised is a monopoly. Anything without viable competition is a monopoly. Monopoly power is the aim of the elite. Monopoly > slavery.
The masters know that the have-nots will always vote to take wealth from the haves. This is done by manipulating politcal majorities at the margins. Plus the haves are made to feel guilty - and the best of them/us do. We are decent people. However, the really serious haves have no compunction whatsoever about amassing the true material wealth of the world. They are not decent people. They sanction 911, the rape of Iraq and stuff unimaginably horrible in scope and nastiness. These are the sellers of socialism.
Belief is the enemy of truth. Stop 'believing' in socialism and start to look under its deceptive surface.
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The Matrix is CON-TROL
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| Thermate wrote: | I've fiddled the dole, all the people I know who've claimed benefits have fiddled them, I know 2 people who claim "sickness benefit" one is not sick, the other is not sick and works self employed too. I dare say most of you who posted in this thread either have fiddled it, know someone who has fiddled it, or will fiddle it yourself at some point. I know it, you know it.
Stop being naive hypocritical *. |
Did you not realise this is a statement of admission of guilt. You have admitted defrauding the Government in writing, on a public forum. I think we should send this to the DSS with your details and this website details. They can demand your details from the owner. Fancy saying that for everyone to see. Go on then, turn your self in, if you are so self righteous. not everyone as "villas". Actually.For calling us Naive *. I may turn your satement in myslelf. |
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And by the way, I also think general application of lie detector would be interesting and have said so on other forums. I keep meaning to get one and feed 5-live thru it.
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| David WJ Sherlock wrote: | | Thermate wrote: | I've fiddled the dole, all the people I know who've claimed benefits have fiddled them, I know 2 people who claim "sickness benefit" one is not sick, the other is not sick and works self employed too. I dare say most of you who posted in this thread either have fiddled it, know someone who has fiddled it, or will fiddle it yourself at some point. I know it, you know it.
Stop being naive hypocritical *. |
Did you not realise this is a statement of admission of guilt. You have admitted defrauding the Government in writing, on a public forum. I think we should send this to the DSS with your details and this website details. They can demand your details from the owner. Fancy saying that for everyone to see. Go on then, turn your self in, if you are so self righteous. not everyone as "villas". Actually.For calling us Naive *. I may turn your satement in myslelf. |
You have no place on this board. Threats are unacceptable.
A system that begs to be cheated will be. People get into debt partly because it is set up as the line of least resistance and sold as 'credit'
More Orwell.
I never much liked you posts and now my instincts are confirmed. Threatening a fellow poster by shopping them to the infernal machine known as the state? Shame on you!
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| John White wrote: |
Benefit fraud = 0.7 billion?
Is that all?
What was it, 500 billion for trident 2 passed on a nod just over a month ago?
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That's always been my point. The benefit "cheats" account for NOTHING when we compare the figures to tax evasion by medium and large-scale [monkey] biznizz's.
In fact it's fairly obvious with all the * you get at the DSS that anyone with a half decent income wants to get off the signing on situation.
BTW, learn some basic NLP - you can out-do most assessment methods using NLP techniques. There are some materials here if you dig:
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| David WJ Sherlock wrote: |
Did you not realise this is a statement of admission of guilt. You have admitted defrauding the Government in writing, on a public forum. I think we should send this to the DSS with your details and this website details. They can demand your details from the owner. Fancy saying that for everyone to see. Go on then, turn your self in, if you are so self righteous. not everyone as "villas". Actually.For calling us Naive *. I may turn your satement in myslelf. |
You nasty little slug.
As if this matters on the scale of what you're supposed to be really considering on this forum. You're priorities are ph-ucked. You're the first person I've ever wanted off a forum in my 12 years of net use. [apart from a few nutters on early usenet - who seemed to be cops! - spot the theme?].
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| rodin wrote: | | David WJ Sherlock wrote: | | Thermate wrote: | I've fiddled the dole, all the people I know who've claimed benefits have fiddled them, I know 2 people who claim "sickness benefit" one is not sick, the other is not sick and works self employed too. I dare say most of you who posted in this thread either have fiddled it, know someone who has fiddled it, or will fiddle it yourself at some point. I know it, you know it.
Stop being naive hypocritical *. |
Did you not realise this is a statement of admission of guilt. You have admitted defrauding the Government in writing, on a public forum. I think we should send this to the DSS with your details and this website details. They can demand your details from the owner. Fancy saying that for everyone to see. Go on then, turn your self in, if you are so self righteous. not everyone as "villas". Actually.For calling us Naive *. I may turn your satement in myslelf. |
You have no place on this board. Threats are unacceptable.
A system that begs to be cheated will be. People get into debt partly because it is set up as the line of least resistance and sold as 'credit'
More Orwell.
I never much liked you posts and now my instincts are confirmed. Threatening a fellow poster by shopping them to the infernal machine known as the state? Shame on you! |
I believe in a system of fair run government and not breaking the law. Do not slag off my posting. What you are fighting for is a Anarchist state. I am fighting for a fair system of government. Just because we do not accept the "Criminal Element behind Government" does mean we have right to break the law. That makes us no better them. It is your kind we do not need in the movement. We are peaceful and constitutional law abiding. You are a loose cannon who will give us a bad name. Now. go back to your Play Station sonny! |
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| Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 11:03 am Post subject: Re: Lawbreaker Not Welome |
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| David WJ Sherlock wrote: |
What you are fighting for is a Anarchist state.
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ROTFL - how's that?? Revolution of Everyday Life by an extra £23 a week ?? Laughable.
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We are peaceful and constitutional law abiding. You are a loose cannon who will give us a bad name. Now. go back to your Play Station sonny! |
Errr. We have no constituition.
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| cynic wrote: | | What sort of analogy are you presenting, saying an unemployed person doesnt have a spanish villa? What has that got to do with anything? |
That you even posted this proves that you jumped into the discussion feet first without even bothering to establish the context - let alone read the whole thread.
I could quote from a previous poster - but why should I spoon feed you?
I really love discussions like this because peoples' true natures emerge.
I remember waiting to board a ferry in Turkey. We were parked on the road and a guy with a cap on came and told us to queue on the other side of a fence. When all the cars were lined up as per his instructions he came back with a ticket macine and started asking for parking fees. I refused and a huge argument ensued between those who were prepared to pay and those who were not. Eventually I moved our vehicle back to where I was originally (nobody else did!) - but some Swedish guy who had bought a ticket came after me spluttering at me, 'You must pay! You must pay!'
There are people on the forum who although evidently enlightened to some of the world's ills are still fascist fodder like the Swedish guy above. |
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Worth reading what this poster said about Socialism IMO
| Quote: | Microsoft has created software SO complex it requires a Hierarchy to maintain. See the problem? Microsoft is Marxist.
You can be GUARANTEED that there numerous backdoors into their software. All those "patches" they find are either disgruntled insiders or outsiders finding their backdoors.
And not to leave Linux out, they are Communist. Free software forces other software to increase their price to recoup their losses. Think of the Medical industry where the free services are being subsidized by people who pay, forcing prices up.
This is how Microsoft is pushing out competitors |
| Quote: | The Hierarchical structure is parallel to ancient Egypt.
Officials, Nobles, Priests(Shareholders, Bankers, Judges)
Pharaoh (Puppet Ruler)
Soldiers (to collect the taxes)
Scribes (Secretaries)
Merchants (Wanderers on the Silk Road)
Artisans
Farmers
Slaves
The King or Pharaoh is nothing more than a puppet. The real power is what is behind the King. We call them shareholders. At one time, they were Rabbis or Priests. A Corporation is based on Religion. The pyramids are tributes to Socialism. A coercive social structure that benefits only a few at the top.
At the bottom you have slaves. The meeker the better. Team players, anyone? If you bamboozle the bottom slaves that the Coercive government is there to protect you then you play along. Even better, you hire the slaves as an advance warning net. Hire people that couldn't earn the equivalent wages in the free market and they will protect the system. Protect them they protect you.
Socialism rewards the unproductive and the violent. It is parasitic. It cannot stand.
The Rabbi's are part of a triumvirate of control. Rabbis, Notables, Scholars are the ones at the top. Maybe Rothschild is the most wealthy man in the world but he couldn't have done it without the consent of the global communist spy web. |
http://www.nolajbs.net/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=705
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| utopiated wrote: | | David WJ Sherlock wrote: |
What you are fighting for is a Anarchist state.
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ROTFL - how's that?? Revolution of Everyday Life by an extra £23 a week ?? Laughable.
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We are peaceful and constitutional law abiding. You are a loose cannon who will give us a bad name. Now. go back to your Play Station sonny! |
Errr. We have no constituition. |
A Bill of Rights for Britain (This is a constituion)
http://www.spr-consilio.com/abillofrights.html
I think the it goes "Read it and weep" |
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http://www.spr-consilio.com/abillofrights.html
| Quote: | | ARTICLE 2: RIGHT TO EDUCATION |
Should read
Education is compulsory and we (the elite) dictate what is (and is not) taught.
More rights - ones that are used against YOU
| Quote: | | ARTICLE X: RIGHT TO CREATE DEBT MONEY OUT OF NOTHING |
- this right is reserved for a few banking families who are likely all related and is not published anywhere. It legalises counterfieting while simultaneously placing an irredeemable debt burden on current and future generations. (Your children) Brilliant!
| Quote: | | ARTICLE Y: RIGHT TO RULE |
: reserved for 'royal' families who, despite a total lack of industry beyond 'hobbyist' (Duchy pork sausages etc) seem to be able to hang onto their estates while the rest of us face 'inheritance tax'. Again, not published.
| Quote: | | ARTICLE Z: RIGHT TO EXTORT TAXES |
- this right is reserved for the elite and their socialist system.
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| rodin wrote: | http://www.spr-consilio.com/abillofrights.html
| Quote: | | ARTICLE 2: RIGHT TO EDUCATION |
Should read
Education is compulsory and we (the elite) dictate what is (and is not) taught.
More rights - ones that are used against YOU
| Quote: | | ARTICLE X: RIGHT TO CREATE DEBT MONEY OUT OF NOTHING |
- this right is reserved for a few banking families who are likely all related and is not published anywhere. It legalises counterfieting while simultaneously placing an irredeemable debt burden on current and future generations. (Your children) Brilliant!
| Quote: | | ARTICLE Y: RIGHT TO RULE |
: reserved for 'royal' families who, despite a total lack of industry beyond 'hobbyist' (Duchy pork sausages etc) seem to be able to hang onto their estates while the rest of us face 'inheritance tax'. Again, not published.
| Quote: | | ARTICLE Z: RIGHT TO EXTORT TAXES |
- this right is reserved for the elite and their socialist system. |
You are now just showing your ingnorence now. Just because the powers that be ignore them. That does not mean we should. |
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There seems to be a lot of misnomas regarding benefits, some posters are lumping claiments together.
There is a very tiny majority ofpeople who have never ever worked and claimed benefits all their adult life. The vast majority of people pay tax so in the unlikely event of becoming unemployed they take out a fraction of what they have paid in.
The poster who highlights the benefit staff and their deafening silence towards disability benefits highlights this. Benefit staff doctrine is to save money at all costs.
I spent a short time unemployed, the staff lied continuosly to me, as i was very naieve i didant know what to do. other people i know who have worked 25 years constantly suddenly became unemployed due to the foot and mouth outbreak, they were told they were not elegible to claim anything, what is the point of paying your tax in the event of becoming unemployed if you cannot claim what you are led to believe you are entilted to.
As usual the powers that be like to use the benefit system as a smoke screen, look at all your tax going to the spongers they wail, when in reality its not even a raindrop in the ocean of where all the monies/tax are going, ie, military, black budgets, defense/attack budgets, R&D for military purposes.
By the looks of things the government bile spewed out regarding benefits cheats works, because a few posters seem to be feeding frenzedly on it. |
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| flameywamey wrote: | | That you even posted this proves that you jumped into the discussion feet first without even bothering to establish the context - let alone read the whole thread. |
The context being that those who do sweet fa should have the right to own a spanish villa without doing sweet fa to earn for it? Why should have I read the whole thread to reply to the post that I wanted to flameywamey? Because you say so? Sounds swedish to me..
| Quote: | | I remember waiting to board a ferry in Turkey. We were parked on the road and a guy with a cap on came and told us to queue on the other side of a fence. When all the cars were lined up as per his instructions he came back with a ticket macine and started asking for parking fees. I refused and a huge argument ensued between those who were prepared to pay and those who were not. Eventually I moved our vehicle back to where I was originally (nobody else did!) - but some Swedish guy who had bought a ticket came after me spluttering at me, 'You must pay! You must pay!' |
Sounds like you're talking to a mirror...
| Quote: | | There are people on the forum who although evidently enlightened to some of the world's ills are still fascist fodder like the Swedish guy above. |
Such poignant words that have * all to do with what i wrote... congratulations 
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| cynic wrote: | | flameywamey etc. |
Oh dear! How old are you?
Just so you know, it was Thermate who first brought up Spanish villas: | Thermate wrote: | | That's bs. Benefit theft is rife, from my experience I'd say ~75% of claimants are fiddling in some way or other. If you like paying taxes to fund 'Bob the Builders' Spanish villa, feel free. |
And in reply: | Chaos Warrior wrote: | | I certainly have never met or spoken to any unemployed people who have a Spanish villa..they are too concerned with putting the next meal on the table to even have time to consider any sort of holiday..never mind this sort of pasttime. |
And then: | You, cynic, attacked Chaos Warrior and wrote: | | What sort of analogy are you presenting, saying an unemployed person doesnt have a spanish villa? What has that got to do with anything? |
So, you see, you might have saved yourself looking like a prat by reading the relevant posts in the thread. |
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cynic
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| flamesong wrote: | | cynic wrote: | | flameywamey etc. |
Oh dear! How old are you?
Just so you know, it was Thermate who first brought up Spanish villas: | Thermate wrote: | | That's bs. Benefit theft is rife, from my experience I'd say ~75% of claimants are fiddling in some way or other. If you like paying taxes to fund 'Bob the Builders' Spanish villa, feel free. |
And in reply: | Chaos Warrior wrote: | | I certainly have never met or spoken to any unemployed people who have a Spanish villa..they are too concerned with putting the next meal on the table to even have time to consider any sort of holiday..never mind this sort of pasttime. |
And then: | You, cynic, attacked Chaos Warrior and wrote: | | What sort of analogy are you presenting, saying an unemployed person doesnt have a spanish villa? What has that got to do with anything? |
So, you see, you might have saved yourself looking like a prat by reading the relevant posts in the thread. |
Hehe, I humbly apologise and am sobering up
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MagsUK
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| Thermate wrote: | I've fiddled the dole, all the people I know who've claimed benefits have fiddled them, I know 2 people who claim "sickness benefit" one is not sick, the other is not sick and works self employed too. I dare say most of you who posted in this thread either have fiddled it, know someone who has fiddled it, or will fiddle it yourself at some point. I know it, you know it.
Stop being naive hypocritical *. |
I am on the dole, most of the people I mix with are on the dole, I only know of one who you could say fiddles it.
It must be the people you mix with, which is helping to colour your view. That and listening to the media. Or perhaps it is gender based as it easier for males to get "work on the side".
But as one who isnt fiddling, with many friends who arent fiddling, I find your remarks offensive. |
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Bongo
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My Mum, a single parent, claimed benefits as she had two young children to bring up, she also worked by cleaning houses of middle class people for cash in hand.
... The point is at that time, the 1980's, the benefits were simply not enough to live on.
I agree with Thermate, if this government had a fair level of benefits for those who are in real need of them and provided them by saving the rediculous sums they pay to the weapons corporations, who's investors, by the way are the real cheats to society, as they only care about increasing their wealth to satisfy their greed at the expense of innocent lives such as in Iraq. Trident replacement is a prime example of how easily these corporations fund support for their evil through government corruption means.
I would not have had the up-bringing and University education without my mum doing what she had to do... and the funny thing about this is that I and my sister are now in a good job's and have been for 15 odd years, paying the government back for their 'un-planned' investment.
Maybe the government should invest in raising people above the poverty line in order that they too can better themselves and pay society back rather than, as they currently do, pay an absolute pittance for dole money which they even state is the calculated basic that someone can live on.... This doesn't leave those on dole a lot left over to invest in their getting out of the situation they are in!
...Meanwhile, the MP's elect to provide themselves with regular and substantial pay rises, well above the rate of inflation! |
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flamesong
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| Bongo wrote: | | I agree with Thermate... |
How, exactly?
Thermate seemed to be saying that they had fiddled the dole and got away with it but as all that is in the past we should prosecute benefits fraudsters with extreme prejudice!
I noticed that s/he took his/her sabatical without answering my point about being with us or with the terrorists.
Incidentally, I have worked with homeless young people who have commited crimes to feed their drug habits. I wonder which people find preferable (or less objectionable) - stealing from shops and peoples' homes or a dishonest day's work? Are they the same? |
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Chaos Warrior
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| flamesong wrote: | | cynic wrote: | | flameywamey etc. |
Oh dear! How old are you?
Just so you know, it was Thermate who first brought up Spanish villas: | Thermate wrote: | | That's bs. Benefit theft is rife, from my experience I'd say ~75% of claimants are fiddling in some way or other. If you like paying taxes to fund 'Bob the Builders' Spanish villa, feel free. |
And in reply: | Chaos Warrior wrote: | | I certainly have never met or spoken to any unemployed people who have a Spanish villa..they are too concerned with putting the next meal on the table to even have time to consider any sort of holiday..never mind this sort of pasttime. |
And then: | You, cynic, attacked Chaos Warrior and wrote: | | What sort of analogy are you presenting, saying an unemployed person doesnt have a spanish villa? What has that got to do with anything? |
So, you see, you might have saved yourself looking like a prat by reading the relevant posts in the thread. |
Seems like a case of open mouth... insert foot...close mouth. 
Thanks for pointing out to cynic his complete misinterpretation my post Flamesong...appreciated.
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Bongo
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Flamesong Wrote...
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| Quote: | | I agree with Thermate... |
How, exactly? |
... Oops... you are correct....
Change; "I agree with Thermate" To "I Disagree with Thermate... Vehemently!"
... I should learn to read the previous post more closely before going off on one!  |
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