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Mick Meaney Trustworthy Freedom Fighter
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 12:15 am Post subject: |
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Well done lads, great opportunity to spread the word.
mason-free party wrote: | lockerbie wrote: | do you really want to be encouraging people who used a charitable event to promote their own cause?
it should leave a bitter taste. |
hey shill...get back to your zionist hovel |
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wepmob2000 Trustworthy Freedom Fighter
Joined: 03 Aug 2006 Posts: 431 Location: North East England
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 12:17 am Post subject: |
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Yes, kudos to them, its great they chose an NWO sponsered event to try and get the message across |
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lockerbie Moderate Poster
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 12:18 am Post subject: |
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"what you say is correct from my understanding, therefore doesn't the wholesale hypocrisy of the 'live earth' gig sicken you?"
i never paid attention to it really, wimbeldon and the tour de france was on, there was no competition (except for the sport of course)
but from what i understand of the motives it was to encourage people (the proles as you put it) to be more eco-friendly. and since it apparently reached 2 billion people there is a chance it could be successful (doubtful but possible). using people like pop stars may seem hypocritical but it's a proven way to reach that scale of audience. |
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BBC5.tv Validated Poster
Joined: 15 Dec 2006 Posts: 93
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 12:21 am Post subject: |
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In my opinion these false idols have got us in this mess, they sure as hell aren't gonna get us out of it. This false hero worship sickens me, to the bone. |
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Busker Moderate Poster
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 12:22 am Post subject: |
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lockerbie wrote: | do you really want to be encouraging people who used a charitable event to promote their own cause?
it should leave a bitter taste. |
A charitable event, are you kidding? How much carbon emissions did it take to run the light and sound rigs at each concert?
How many air miles were consumed to fly artists in to perform?
What about people travelling to the events in their cars etc.?
Was it really that environmentally friendly? |
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wepmob2000 Trustworthy Freedom Fighter
Joined: 03 Aug 2006 Posts: 431 Location: North East England
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 12:29 am Post subject: |
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pastomen wrote: | In my opinion these false idols have got us in this mess, they sure as hell aren't gonna get us out of it. This false hero worship sickens me, to the bone. |
Absolutely, that and the sheer hypocrisy too. Regardless of whether theres a problem, or its causes, gigs like this have nothing to do with that.
Global warming is being used as a control mechanism, and nothing more, if that wasn't the case then why are none of the blatantly obvious transport and energy solutions being put in place? Why can you still not cycle in reasonable safety to work in Britain? |
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kc Moderate Poster
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 8:16 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | Lockerbie please just go and hang out with your own crowd, you're annoying. |
I hope by "your own crowd" you dont mean sceptics? Because I'm usually found hanging around there and I cant stand the pillock either!
Proles as the greatest cause of global warming? Course they are sunshine, the working classes are forever swarming round 4X4 garages buying the latest gas guzzler to fly em to an airport for their monthly trip abroad. |
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lockerbie Moderate Poster
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 12:13 pm Post subject: |
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" Course they are sunshine, the working classes are forever swarming round 4X4 garages buying the latest gas guzzler to fly em to an airport for their monthly trip abroad."
well cut out the airport bit because aircraft pollution accounts for only a small part of co2. |
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David WJ Sherlock Validated Poster
Joined: 07 Jan 2007 Posts: 471 Location: Kent GB
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 12:51 pm Post subject: |
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lockerbie wrote: | so i'm a shill because i don't believe in attending a charitable event and then using it to further my own cause?
it's not being a shill it's having a shred of dignity and morality. | Hi Mate. We do not really "Hijack" envents for our own cause. What we demo effects everyone. I believe in Global Warming and feel the need to show everyone that it is not man made. The government is lying to all these caring people. _________________ "It's called the American Dream, because you have to be alseep to believe it"
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kc Moderate Poster
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 1:40 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | well cut out the airport bit because aircraft pollution accounts for only a small part of co2. |
So apart from a tiny bit at the end, you admit your statement was totally eroneous? |
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Sixy Validated Poster
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 1:42 pm Post subject: |
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Well done guys!
What did the banner say? Shame you didn't get a clear shot of it on cam.
As far as 'charitable event' goes, I didn't think it was, isn't it a campaign, not a charity?
Thought it was also interesting that according to viewing figures in the UK, 3 million watched between 8pm and 10pm, compared to 11 million for Diana concert during the same time slot.
But my main point.....well done!! _________________ www.rinf.com |
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lockerbie Moderate Poster
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 2:44 pm Post subject: |
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"So apart from a tiny bit at the end, you admit your statement was totally eroneous?"
no. the majority of co2 comes from the majority of people, the working class. a few big wigs driving around in heavy vehicles does not drive up their level so much as to compete with the vast majority of the population.
"As far as 'charitable event' goes, I didn't think it was, isn't it a campaign, not a charity?"
a charity no, but by charitable i didn't mean necessarily that it was in order to raise money merely that it was an event for a good cause. to use that for your own purposes is distasteful. |
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wepmob2000 Trustworthy Freedom Fighter
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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Well, I'd call 'Live Earth' nothing more than a cynical propaganda event, so well done to anyone presenting a counter-stance to the official view we're all supposed to believe. |
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David WJ Sherlock Validated Poster
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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wepmob2000 wrote: | Well, I'd call 'Live Earth' nothing more than a cynical propaganda event, so well done to anyone presenting a counter-stance to the official view we're all supposed to believe. | I agree! _________________ "It's called the American Dream, because you have to be alseep to believe it"
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lockerbie Moderate Poster
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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"Well, I'd call 'Live Earth' nothing more than a cynical propaganda event, so well done to anyone presenting a counter-stance to the official view we're all supposed to believe."
to 9/11 or anthropogenic global warming?
and if it's the second can i ask where you studied climatology? |
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kbo234 Validated Poster
Joined: 10 Dec 2005 Posts: 2017 Location: Croydon, Surrey
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lockerbie Moderate Poster
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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"You don't have to be an expert on climatology, or even study it, to understand that much contrary evidence is never examined in the public domain*(e.g. see below) and only one side of an argument is being promoted. "
yes but we also don't listen to people who believe that the earth is the centre of the universe and the earth is hollow.
surely those people deserve to be heard too? |
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wepmob2000 Trustworthy Freedom Fighter
Joined: 03 Aug 2006 Posts: 431 Location: North East England
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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lockerbie wrote: | "Well, I'd call 'Live Earth' nothing more than a cynical propaganda event, so well done to anyone presenting a counter-stance to the official view we're all supposed to believe."
to 9/11 or anthropogenic global warming?
and if it's the second can i ask where you studied climatology? |
Both, and in both cases there is sufficient counter-evidence to the 'official line' to at least urge a re-investigation before such facts are acted upon as policy.
With regard to Global warming there are numerous reasons why one should regard 'Live Earth' as pure propaganda, one of the best ways of examining this is through the British Governments own policies...... (or lack of). The causes or even existence of Global Warming are almost irrelevant, its the official spin on this that should cause doubt and concern.
Why is the proposed future road policy based primarily upon punitive taxation, with the additional caveat of vehicle (and therefore person) tracking. A hugely expensive scheme that will only force the poorest off the roads and increase inflation. A cynic would say this would clear the roads for the wealthy for whom road pricing would have no effect, whilst raising huge revenues for the government.
A more equitable scheme would be petrol rationing, with levels set in accordance with emissions targets and more frugal people able to sell their surplus to others. This would be cheap to set up, fair to all, totally effective in terms of meeting targets for congestion and pollution, and by necessity would lead to more efficient vehicles being being produced and sold. This idea has been mooted but disregarded by the government. Is it because it wouldn't raise revenues or allow big brother style tracking? (But would be very effective in terms of green targets).
Why does the government have no plans to create a viable public transport alternative? Why are our trains the laughing stock of Europe? Why aren't companies using rail instead of road transport given tax breaks? Why is it cheaper to drive to London (by a factor of 100%) from the North East, then get the train? Why are the canals and waterways not being utilised (or even planned to be). Why is there not a proper cycle network? Why is cycling to work a case of taking your life in your hands? Why is it none of these ideas will be taken up but the one viable means of transport taxed heavily?
Then you wonder why conservation and planning legislation take precedence over green concerns? Large swathes of my home town are deemed conservation areas, official policy dictates that having houses with slate roofs is more important then allowing the householders to place solar panels on them, or any other green measures that may change the appearance of the area. We're talking about Hartlepool here, not Stratford upon Avon, a town with zero tourists outside of the marina area (and few in there, mostly lost Germans going to Loch Ness). Why is the building of wind turbines prevented where it may spoil a view? A very strange set of priorities for a government who would have us believe they think the world is in peril...........
These are just a very few reasons why I regard Live Earth and any official proclamations on global warming with great cynicism, and as nothing more than propaganda.
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lockerbie Moderate Poster
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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you assume government legislation is based on science. |
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wepmob2000 Trustworthy Freedom Fighter
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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Thats exactly the point I'm making, its not based on science or anything more than a cynical money making exercise. Thats why events like 'Live earth' smack of official propaganda and nothing more. Why are obvious and popular solutions being buried in favour of sinister and ineffective ones?
Does the current official approach not remind you of a money making bandwagon? And why is all debate in one direction being suppressed or ignored, and all opinion in another more advantageous direction being taken as gospel? |
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lockerbie Moderate Poster
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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no the science is correct in fact i'm off the view that alot of what is in the media is a little optimistic.
the government response to that is not correct.
"And why is all debate in one direction being suppressed or ignored, and all opinion in another more advantageous direction being taken as gospel?"
for the same reason why suppress people that talk of geocentricity. |
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BBC5.tv Validated Poster
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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 1:04 am Post subject: |
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Did you not hear me last time Lockerbie, just get lost. You're so far gone I can't even bare to waste anymore time on you. Looser of the nth degree, and when we win this we'll hopefully get you to wake up also. CO2 global warming doesn't exist but you won't shut up about it. Man, get a life. |
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BBC5.tv Validated Poster
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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 3:10 am Post subject: |
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With a degree of hindsight I apologise, man Lockerbie can say or do whatever he wants, frankly I really don't care, this game called life is cool enough without putting other people down, soz. |
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SHERITON HOTEL Moderate Poster
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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 12:07 pm Post subject: |
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Did they end up on the 'terrorist' database? |
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festival of snickers Validated Poster
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 7:44 am Post subject: |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_Earth
Live Earth was a series of worldwide concerts held on July 7, 2007 designed to raise awareness about man-made climate change and advocate environmentally friendly living. The concerts brought together more than 150 musical acts in eleven locations around the world and was broadcast to a mass global audience through radio, television, and the Internet.
The umbrella organization for the event was Save Our Selves, founded by Kevin Wall, and included major partners such as former U.S. Vice President Al Gore, the Alliance for Climate Protection, MSN, and Control Room, the production company which produced the event. The logo for the event was SOS written in Morse code. Unlike the similar Live 8 concerts, which were free, Live Earth charged admission but the event was made broadly available via television and the internet. The event set a new record for online entertainment by generating more than 9 million streams.[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming#Solar_variation
and they probably ALL DROVE to get there - they used cars
its funny--they think its hotter yet will ride around or walk and get sunburned form a hotter sun getting skin cancer --where i live skin cancer rates are high
they think there is warmer but seem to enjoy getting fried _________________ Puzzling Evidence
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lockerbie Moderate Poster
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 1:05 pm Post subject: |
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"CO2 global warming doesn't exist but you won't shut up about it. Man, get a life."
you're evidence of this being..........? |
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telecasterisation Banned
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 1:28 pm Post subject: |
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I can fully appreciate why these individuals were ejected. They were essentially in line to create a breach of the peace by displaying inflammatory material. It was a rather crude attempt at planting seeds, however I acknowledge the sentiment. |
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David WJ Sherlock Validated Poster
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 2:12 pm Post subject: |
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telecasterisation wrote: | I can fully appreciate why these individuals were ejected. They were essentially in line to create a breach of the peace by displaying inflammatory material. It was a rather crude attempt at planting seeds, however I acknowledge the sentiment. | Answer this for me. Why are you even bothering to come on this site? you appear to rect everything we do as a community. You say we are causing a breach of peace. do you agree that there should be an exclusion of free speech around Parliament? I have never had any real evidence that you are supporter of our cause. You seem to take pleasure in putting us all down too. do you have a life outside of this trolling campaign you have set yourself on. There are many of us on here who are out on a limb to inform the public at large as to the danger we are all in. If you really beleive that a movement which is devoted to spreading truth is "Breaching the peace". Then you are clealy still very asleep. I have two children who do not have much of a future if the current system is left to run unchecked. So I intend to fight on. We have set aside a place for you ilk to dispute us. you should keep your views in there (Critics corner). I for one am going to suggest you are banned if you do not stay in the forum allocated for this kind of dissent. _________________ "It's called the American Dream, because you have to be alseep to believe it"
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SHERITON HOTEL Moderate Poster
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 2:12 pm Post subject: |
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"Inflammatory material"? should this site be ejected from cyber space for being "inflammatory"? truth hurts some people.
Having said that, isn't there scientific evidence just out questioning the alleged link between sun cycles and climate change? why hasn't it made it to this site, or has it? |
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telecasterisation Banned
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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David WJ Sherlock wrote: | You say we are causing a breach of peace. do you agree that there should be an exclusion of free speech around Parliament? |
David
It appears you only ever read part of any post, I did not say you are causing a breach of the peace - I very clearly stated what I meant.
I fully acknowledge it can be very difficult to shift perspective - however attempt to alter your thinking and imagine you were a member of the security personnel working the crowd at Live Earth and you are confronted with someone displaying the banner in question. The crowd would have been multi-cultural, Americans included. Before you know it a fight has broken out between the banner carriers and someone who lost a loved one in 911/Bush supporters/patriots/whoever. They were only doing their job - I am not standing up for the security staff - I merely stated that I understood why the banner carriers were ejected.
Having been a serving police officer, you have to be able to perspective shift all the time, see things from another stance, it is one of the key skills you develop. The 911 banner was just as potentially volatile as one being carried by a Vietnamese dog butcher through crufts claiming 'Dog Meat Is Tasty'. Such things provoke strong reactions - I simply pointed out that doing stuff like that is likely to trigger all kinds of adverse responses - the 911 banner incident was a stunt doomed to failure - simply accept that and understand the reasons why. They were carrying a video camera because they were expecting trouble - they anticipated being ejected - we all know this. Denying this is plain foolhardy and those who do, do so for effect.
You were accused of nothing, this site was accused of nothing - I strongly urge you to read exactly what is written in future - don't react, respond instead.
Equally, it isn't about truth or free speech either, it is about minimising potential problems at a public event. My comments in no way 'sided' with the bad guys - I simply said I understood why the banner carriers were ejected - it was an inappropriate forum for such material - you yourself are adopting EXACTLY the same stance yourself now - attempting to stop someone having a say.
I do not bad mouth people unlike some, I do not lose my temper and throw hissy fits unlike some, I simply state a balanced view and pose questions that many find awkward, you being one. |
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