Shayler says he's the New Messiah

[The Watcher]

Glastonbury Symposium - Sunday July 29th - 9.30pm

Let it be recorded that the time & date shown above is almost the exact moment Davis Shayler announced, to a stunned but largely sympathetic audience, that he is the new Messiah.

High on another stunning presentation from Ian Crane, the atmosphere in a packed Glastonbury Town Hall was pregnant with expectation as David Shayler was wired for sound. Already prepared for controversy by host Andy Thomas, nobody could have anticipated what was about to occur. An extremely tolerant and generally sympathetic audience sat in stunned silence as they endured an hour long narcissistic monologue during which a frail-looking David Shayler explained that he was not only the re-incarnation of the Christ but also the re-incarnation of King Arthur, Leonardo Da Vinci and a whole host of other historically significant characters. As the monologue progressed, it would have been obvious to any student of Stanislav Grof that Mr Shayler is in the middle of his very own 'Spiritual Emergency'! When David Shayler concluded his self-obsessed rant by standing centre stage with arms outstretched in mock crucifixion, the raptuous ovation which had followed Ian Crane's presentation was replaced by polite but nervous applause.

Surely David has friends or family who are capable of pointing out that he is not even the new David Icke, let alone the New Messiah! Listening in on numerous conversations in the pub after the event, the general reaction was one of sympathetic concern. It is very sad to see a man who has commanded tremendous respect for blowing the whistle on the British Intelligence Services for attempting to assassinate Col Gaddafi, descend into such blatant paranoid psychosis. If his claims of the numerous attempts on his life have any substance, it doesn't say much for the capabilities of Black Op's teams that he is still on this mortal coil ... but then David claims that he has 'raised his spiritual vibration' to such a level that he is invincible. I hope with all sincerity that this claim is not put to the test.

Although The Watcher is no great fan of the psychological community, it is abundantly clear that David Shayler is is need of help and support from people who understand the transpersonal process. It would also be highly advisable to encourage him to go through his transpersonal and spiritual awakening away from public scrutiny.

Unfortunately for David all of the Glastonbury Symposium presentations were recorded, with delivery of pre-ordered DVD's being available in early September. If the organisers of the Symposium are prepared to withdraw the DVD of David's monologue from the 2007 Symposium catalogue, it would be a wonderfully magnanimous gesture of human benevolence.

If anyone reading this considers themselves to a close friend to David, please investigate the possibility of David being welcomed by any of the following:

THE CENTRE FOR TRANSPERSONAL PSYCHOLOGY
www.transpersonalcentre.co.uk
101 Crawford Street
London, WIH 2HP England
Tel: 020 7724 9243

SPIRITUAL EMERGENCE SUPPORT UK
www.spiritual-emergence-support-uk.co.uk
Kerin Webb
Support for people dealing with kundalini/shamanic/ spiritual emergence issues.
Bournemouth, Dorset.
kerin@spiritual-emergence-support-uk.co.uk

DR. MICHAEL MILLETT
www.elevatedtherapy.com
TEL: 020 8453 0426

SPIRITUAL CRISIS NETWORK (UK)
www.SpiritualCrisisNetwork.org.uk

In profound support,

The Watcher

[ian neal]

Sound advice from the watcher and those links may well be of help. Friends have indeed been encouraging David to go through his transpersonal and spiritual awakening away from public scrutiny. Advice David has choosen not to follow. Such is life. I'm sure we all wish David well whilst sharing your concerns

[Cruise4]

Oh Dear! Not what was needed!

[John White]

Whoops!

Now there's a well worn wrong turn on the mountain of personal discovery! Fingers crossed David makes it back onto the right path (for him) so he can have a laugh about it in years to come

Excellent advice and links Watcher, lets hope they reach out to everyone having similar struggles

[Thermate911]

This phrase caught my eye:-

"then David claims that he has 'raised his spiritual vibration' to such a level that he is invincible. I hope with all sincerity that this claim is not put to the test. "

And why should it not be put to the test? How many of us can claim to have been put through so many tests as David Shayler has? Come on, SPEAK UP!??

Glastonbury can do strange things to an individual with heightened perceptions. The energies there are not at all what one might call 'healthy'. It is an area that genuine Chinese Feng Shui masters avoid like the plague. Around the Tor lies an ancient sickness. Has no one else here experienced it?

The antidote is fortunately very easy to obtain - go straight from there to Avebury and lean against one of the Southwest stones at sunrise or sundown. All will be healed and for some, all will be revealed.

Wacky? No - this is REALITY - what we live day to day is the fantasy bred into us from birth by priests and others who would wish to control us.

I have a fairly good idea of what David is going through - so sad that more cannot understand that. IT SHOULD BE BROUGHT OUT INTO THE LIGHT - NOT HIDDEN, CONFINED or STRAIGHT-JACKETED!

In Love and Light with a full knowledge of what each individual truly contains (an eternal well-spring of clean energy) nothing is impossible; nothing is hidden.

"Ecstasy and Madness are the states closest to God" - St. Anthony.

I have no qualms posting this here, as I know from personal experience and the experiences of many many others amongst whom I live, that what David is going through is what we all must go through if we are to truly find our way out of this present vile and truly, fundamental Evil mess
we are all battling against.

"BE the change you wish to see in the world" - Mahatma Gandhi.

One word of advice - the closer one comes to a true realization of our intrinsic (and truly VAST) abilities - the more we are shot at by those who have yet to experience their 'Jesus Moment' and by those who never will, having given themselves over to the forces of sloth, greed and below all - FEAR.

Support David - don't get in his way. Don't hide him away.

I don't ask anyone to take any of this second hand. I merely ask each of you to Inquire Within... as there lies YOUR key.

We are ALL 'messiahs' - Live it! BE IT! Then nothing ON EARTH can stop the forces of Love, Truth and Justice.

[John White]

[Thermate911]

[John White]

[Thermate911]

"it is abundantly clear that David Shayler is is need of help"

No He is NOT!

" and support from people who understand the transpersonal process. "

NO! The ONLY person who can 'understand' is EACH individual for themselves

"It would also be highly advisable to encourage him to go through his transpersonal and spiritual awakening away from public scrutiny. "

Why? He is showing you THE WAY. People in his state cannot communicate to those who cannot hear. Has it ever been different?

Gautama - ascended
Shiva - ascended
Jesus - ascended
Mohamed - ascended, sorta ;-)
so many others - ascended
JFK? - ascended
Martin Luther King - ascended
uncounted martyrs - ascended

Get the picture?

probly not but there's no harm in trying, as there is so little left in the world to loose...

[Thermate911]

Quoth John: "LOL! No comment!"

How very British! Stiff upper lip and all that, what?

This in and of itself is the ruin of Truth. The reason we are in this parlous state on the brink of global dictatorship, utterly cowed by psychopaths pumping out their fear and loathing, day in, day out.

Mum's the word, what, what? Hide it under the carpet. Don't let Auntie Ethel get wind of it, what?!

I say, steady on, old chap - mustn't let the side down, what?

Ratzinger's father was SS, now the son is Pope - what does that tell you about organized, centralized religion?

Sickening.

[The Watcher]

Thermate 911 wrote:

[Thermate911]

[TonyGosling]

Good call watcher.

If Dave is the saviour of the world then there is less hope for humanity than there was yesterday

I've no doubt Dave's been under a lot of pressure so sympathy rather than derision is appropriate.
Anyone who believes hallucinations are more real than what we see around us is bound to get mixed up.

There is a lesson for us all here.
Stay away from Kaballah.

[Thermate911]

Quoth Tony (who, through bravery and determination, knows all about Bilderberg machinations)

"Anyone who believes hallucinations are more real than what we see around us is bound to get mixed up. "

There speaks a man bound by the 5 senses. What do you think the other 95% of our brains are for?

So you discredit Jesus walking on water or hot coals? (In the right state, it's easy, BTW - fakirs have been doing it for centuries)

The semiotic 'Water into Wine' ?

Do you also deny that He did not 'hide his light (aka 'hallucinations') under a bushel' despite his detractors persistently trashing Him and eventually hounding Him to death, so the story goes?

It seems to me, Tony, that we shackle ourselves by NOT accepting what the eternal Soul in each of us has to offer.

I'll shut up here as words are such very poor tools - they're more effective at strangling and dividing us...
.

Hey ho...
.

[The Watcher]

Thermate911

[Andrew Johnson]

Thanks to the Watcher for this report.

It seems to have been "coming to a head" with David for quite a while. Tony G mentioned to me a few weeks ago that David S had been saying similar things then. I had heard David mention the ideas of being "spiritually protected" some months ago, but I never realised he had "gone on from there".

I have a lot of respect for David and what he has said and done, but when he publicly makes statements such as this, it makes him very difficult for everyone to relate to.

I hope that there are people near him that can guide "him to a place" which will help him to come to terms with whatever he's going through. It may seem unkind of me to say so, but perhaps he should watch "Life of Brian" a few times!! (I love that film for all kinds of reasons!)

[SHERITON HOTEL]

Sounds like a cry for help post his split with Annie, could be the convergence of lay lines round Glasto' playing with his transem. Didn't Jimmy Walter lose the plot somewhat and Dylan Avery looks a shadow of the man he used to last I saw him.

[rodin]

Sounds like Shayler has been got at. First I thought he was playing a dirty game, but this is delusional stuff. Looking frail?

Slow poisoning not out of the question.

[Disco_Destroyer]

Brian Haw has discovered his version of God, it gives him strength, focus and a reason to continue (and he knows he is right). Is he nut, old and past it, delusional or what ever? What ever he is I like him for who he is and what he stands for. Where is the strength in being paranoid of what others think. I'm quite sure Jesus never rushed out for an Armani shirt and shades and maybe he didn't wow people on the dancefloor!
I totally agree with Thermate it can only be David to decide to where he takes his life, everyone here should repect him for that, what he has done and hopefully go on to do

[John White]

[Sherlock Holmes]

I think David needs counselling, and also needs see his GP who should refer him to a sympathetic psychiatrist urgently! I mean this sounds like a single acute psychotic episode manifested as mania, the condition often involves psychiatric symptoms which are delusions of grandiosity, (delusions are *roughly* fixed unshakable beliefs which are false and are out of context for the person's educational/social background). The delusions often revolve around religious themes. This is a common condition. I have medical training and worked in psychiatry and seen this happen to people regularly, it's quite distressing to watch. It doesn't happen to those affected overnight. I'm not a fan of psychiatry and I'm not trying to preach to people about spirituality, so don't start shouting and screaming at me about psychiatry/god etc. I hope someone who reads this passes this on to people who are close to David.

This has all been a very stressful period in his life. He lost his job, went to prison, lost a relationship, he has found out about 9/11 and 7/7 and spoken out and been put back into the spotlight over these issues, and a psychiatric professional should appreciate that.

I don't know who these advisors/people the Watcher spoke about are, but if they understand immense psychological stress on people who are attempting to redefine themselves, and find meaning in their lives then they should be able to help.

It's very concerning, primarily and obviously I'm concerned for big Dave. Secondly and this is a far, far second because regardless of what was actually said, any claims of religious/messianic status will be used to discredit the 9/11 7/7 truth movement.

[Mark Gobell]

Maybe now would be a good time for someone close to disabuse him of the idea that magic mushrooms are the way forward.

Whilst not wishing to delineate one fantasist from another, can anyone disabuse me from the notion that listening to verbalised psilocybin is in any way less preferable or worthy of less applause than 2012 ?

[Disco_Destroyer]

[Mick Meaney]

Do we have a report from others who attended the talk?

When speaking in spiritual terms, words are often left open to interpretation, it would be good to find out word for word exactly what was said.

For example, David Shayler might have implied that he feels the same energy/spirit/inspiration as many historical radicals, which could have easily been interpreted as him claiming to be these figures.

I'm not calling into question The Watchers report and I'm sure he will agree that we need to see exactly what was said before jumping to conclusions and enable us to reach our own interpretation.

Maybe Ian Crane is able to recall exactly what was said.

[B]

Thanks Watcher for your astute report.

No Thermate, this is certainly not the Glasto vibe, Dave was already planning last night's revelations whilst still in Bristol & Totnes, with those closest to him struggling to dissuade him, but to no avail, q.e.d..

This actually has been coming on for a very long time; I observed the beginnings of it last year when Dave was living under my roof. He was doing a lot of skunk and trying to clear up some massive internal emotional log-jam with the aid of mushrooms & a plant, can't remember their names, something beginning with A. He had issues going back to infancy which in fairness he was trying to deal with but kept getting distracted by psychic experiences (induced by the drugs) and of course the relationship with Annie was on the rocks too. It was immediately clear why: he lacked basic consideration for those around him, he was undisciplined, physically lazy and slovenly, in stark contrast to Annie, who is ultra-considerate, disciplined and a very hard worker as we all know.

To give David the benefit of the doubt though (despite everything I remain very fond of him and eternally respectful of his bravery in exposing the machinations of the secret state), the less attractive personal behaviours including the aggression if challenged (I soon learned not to!!) could well have been the beginnings of the psychosis; I've seen similar symptoms in my own schizophrenic daughter & fellow-patients with long-term mental illnesses. And I have to say I roundly blame the skunk and possibly the other substances for turning what yes, was very probably the beginnings of a spiritual awakening in the best sense into something sadly more mundane and pathological.

Well there it is: my view is that Dave needs rest and care and as little of the oxygen of publicity for his grandiose self-perceptions as can be arranged, or not arranged - for his own and everyone else's good he shouldn't be on platforms at the moment, at least yesterday's performance will have clarified that.

Holy, enlightened, Messianic, etc. is as holy, enlightened & Messianic does! It takes sometimes years of discipline and patient work on the self to achieve genuine spirituality, which then manifests as quiet power, attunement to people and to nature, delightful humour and a marked lack of any form of self-aggrandisement.

In the meantime, the best resource of any aspirant on the path, better than mushrooms, mantras or meditation etc. comes from working together with others, preferably those with a similar bent or a common goal, and from LISTENING, learning and looking out for each other. So I hope that Dave when he comes out of this (as I sincerely hope he will, he's a hugely worthwhile person as we all know) will put team-working and sensitivity to others much higher up his scale of priorities.

For the moment though he’s a sick member of our community who needs our love and care to help him recover, and those immediately involved in looking after him need to be supported too.

[Sherlock Holmes]

[Justin]

We owe David a lot for the way he has advanced the British 9/11 Truth campaign over the past two years and I for one will always be grateful to him for that.

A lot has already been said on this thread but I would just like to make the point that the Matrix has nearly everyone in this perceived concensus reality by the short and curlies! Whether it is through the orthodox religions, the New Age movement, party politics, money or materialism, we are all trapped in some way. David is unfortunately a tragic victim of the Matrix....but so is anyone who believes in a 'God' that can 'save you', a 'God' that you must 'worship'. We are all, on a very equal basis, parts of the Infinite Consciousness/Awareness/Possibility/Love like droplets in an Ocean. We don't need to prostrate ourselves to any greater being...THEY DON'T EXIST EXCEPT WITHIN THE MATRIX. We are the future and the power of the Matrix is waning as more and more people wake up to their real potential. Even the Illuminati/NWO, who serve and feed the Matrix, are part of Infinite Consciousness. There is no room for revenge, judgement and violence, just love, contentment and peace.

I wish David well and I'm sure he will be back.

[Thermate911]

[moeen yaseen]

There are several issues here. One is the mind and state David finds himself in and I would rather NOT comment on that here as others have already done.

Secondly, we need to be prepared as a movement to have a damage limitation strategy in place. His association with the UK 9/11 truth movement must not be allowed to tarnish the movement and the cause it is dedicated to. No individual represents this movement and we must be ready to dissassociate ourselves from anything which is fundamentally detrimental to the cause. I must confess that we need to refrain from giving any one individual such prominence. There have to be checks and balances Ian otherwise this work will go to rot just like that.


Thirdly taking for granted his utterances of being the "new Messiah" as stated we need to remind ourselves that all 3 Monotheistic faiths of Judaism, Christianity and Islam have their own eschatology concerning the second coming of Jesus. In Islam there is also a correlation with the Mahdi appearing with Jesus and restoring TRUTH and JUSTICE to the world. Accordingly this is not a matter to be toyed with lightly as we are talking about the fate of humanity here. Each of us here has to either accept his claim or reject it. Also we should also have no truck with charlatans as I can guarantee that the NWO is aching to bring on their
Messiah on stage soon.

[ianrcrane]

Mick Meaney wrote: