9/11: No Evidence of Planes

[Banish]

Like I said guys, I spotted the fake plane on day one. I have been active since day one, but mostly on US boards, where I have previously presented all this info. I thought all you guys would have been privvy to this info. I didnt just drop it in here, I was just responding to the attacks from the "plane huggers".

http://www.911closeup.com/nico/911chron_timeline_nico.html

Here is some more for now. I'm a wee bit busy today, not a bank "holoday" here (pun intended) and the site where I have it all posted is not responding too well.

For starters Google wilmington+trust+enron

Flight 11 - Bureau of Transportation Statistics Database Sept 11 2001



You guys have some catching up to do, thats all. Hope I can be of help.


PS Garett. You are on the ball, good man.

[James C]

I'm intrigued by Banish's airplane stats but the fake plane article is pure rubbish. It even mentions Harry Potter and those films have some of the worst computer graphics I've seen in a long time.

The main menu clip and 35 mins into Loose Change shows that wonderful shot of a plane hitting the South Tower from in front. If that's a fake then I'm George Bush.

I agree, we are not dealing with real planes but I go down the route that what we do see are remote controlled aircraft of no real description hence no genuine markings.

[Banish]

Harry Potter, wtf are you talking about?

I will try to find the lovely clip from Loose Change with the two overlapping airplanes.

Meanwhile the Naudets are taking Dylan to court for infringment of copyright.

http://www.911blogger.com/2006/05/naudet-brothers-sue-dylan-avery.html

For the clip of the Plane hitting the Nth Tower - no less.

That would be this "plane".

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1535000/video/_1538186_wtc_firstcrash_vi .ram

http://www.cnn.com/video/us/2001/09/12/first.plane.hits.gp.med.ram

Deal with the facts James.

[prole art threat]

My take on this is, does it really make any difference whether there were planes or not? I mean, what is the point of this discussion?

[Banish]

[James C]

[prole art threat]

[James C]

[paul wright]

[TimmyG]

if they had the technology to fake something this realistically why didn't they cgi atleast 1 decent bin laden confession? If they had such amazing technology and the ability to trick major news networks and FBI people into thinking they were real images, i'm sure they would do much more faking.

+ even if they did have this technology... they would have had to fake it from every angle and silence every member of the public who filmed it and confiscated their cameras. Atleast one person would have produced a video with no plane in it, and got it out into the public domain

[Banish]

I cant be arsed with morons. Do your own * research.

[TimmyG]

great reply!

now try and answer my questions.

[Hazzard]

Details dont matter

[paul wright]

[James C]

[Squall7]

I was on another forum arguing with some guy about 9/11, and something occured to me.

Now, I've only done AS level physics, and didn't exactly get a good grade in that, but about the pentagon attack...

I would have thought a boeing 757, traveling at (the commision reported this figure) 530mph straight into the pentagon would have caused a notable shockwave on the footage of the CCTV cameras not all that far away.

The guy who I was arguing with said that the shockwave wouldn't have travelled though dirt very well, but when I consdier that a university picked up the twin towers attacks from 20 miles away on the rickter (sp?) scale, I am dumbfounded as to how the pentagon attack didn't produce enough of a shockwave to jog the cameras near it.

I hope somebody can shed light on my thoughts.

[insidejob]

Very good point, Squall7.

Indeed, there should have been a MASSIVE explosion that may very well have damaged or destroyed the camera. The CCTV images of the explosion simply didn't show the amount of energy release you should have expected.

insidejob

[paul wright]

[alwun]

dh

go here, about half way down.(just under the oreo boxes simulation)

http://www.911closeup.com/nico/rrr3.html

the plane you mean appears inside a yellow perspective box.[/b]

[James C]

This footage from ABC is quite dramatic. Is this really CGI? Could the explosions really have been devised to throw debris out to the right and not to the left in perfect harmony with the direction of impact of a fake plane?!!

http://thewebfairy.com/911/insane/Second_Crash_Insane.mpeg

It comes from this article which discusses the remote controlled plane theory and all the fakery connected with it which I advocate.

http://911review.com/spencer/markup/spencer06.html

At no point do I suggest that real Boeings hit the WTC, certainly not that these were flights 11 and 175, but I don't believe the footage and imagery from that day can come from anything other than real flying objects.

I think we are crediting the oligarchs with too much professionalism to have pulled off simultaneous explosions with live yet pre-recorded footage especially when the explosions tally exactly with the points of entry of the aircraft and leave holes shaped in accordance with the angle of tilt for each plane. Now that would have been clever.

As someone said a few posts ago, this was an abnormal event never before caught on camera. How can we say with any certainty how these crashes should have looked.

[paul wright]

[paul wright]

[Squall7]

It's interesting when you watch these two videos: Cam1 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5658198482624505213&q=Pentago n Cam2 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5415578059017835301&q=Pentagon
Both are from the same direction, only one is closer. Now, from what I've seen, there are a few little bits that get me.

1. Only camera 1 picks up the flash.
2. Camera 2 shakes, but only a little. This is the furthest away, yet the first camera (closest one) doesn't shake at all.
3. Camera 2 shows another flash, 34 seconds in. Not sure if what it's caused by, but I would've thought that the Aluminium would have only reacted once.
4. I know it's a bit blurry, but are the shapes of the 'missile' (whether it truely be a plane or an actual missile) slightly different?

I would like to know what others think.

[Jane]

Hi All

I've only just really started reading this and taking it all in - I'll admit there are a few posts towards the end that I haven't really fully read nor clicked on the links, etc...

When I first came across the idea being put forward about blue screen technology or whatever its called, I thought this is ridiculous, how could anyone believe that?

But, thinking again, what I really meant was (even just thinking to myself) "How could I expect the brain dead robots that I have to live with to ever accept anything like this? - and I have to convince them that 9/11 was an "inside job" because this must be my mission on Earth to save this planet from total destruction before too long (or something like this!!).

To be quite honest, since I started the Sahaj Yoga thing 8/9 years ago I have had a lot of "convincing evidence" coming from where ever that what I have been told is "reality" is basically a load of nonsense! Yet, somehow I have felt compelled to have to work within its parrameters to try and help and even "save" humanity!!! I may have a Messianic Complex or something....

But I am wondering at this moment why I feel I have to act in this way, why I feel so constrained by these limits that the majority of people seem to live within and whether working within these limits will really " work"...

The problem is that I still fear it might not "work" - these other "beings" (and if I am totally honest here I don't really know if any of you really exist...let alone the unthinking masses - I feel so odd and different) that I am stuck with seem to have such a different conception of "reality" to me that I feel like I must be the "alien."

I can see wht Prole Art Theft means - I think PAF thinks like me (or maybe like I used to think) that you have to try and communicate on their terms or otherwise they won't understand - but I wonder will they ever really "understand" anyway? I seriously doubt it. if I am really honest with myself.

I know from experience that what is called "reality" can "go all funny" on occassions - but it never deviates for me from the basic premis:

Truth is Beauty; Beauty is Truth

and

"Doubt Truth To Be A Lier, but never doubt I Love"

Most people in this world (if you are all real and not just fragments in some horrendous dream I can't seem to wake up from) do not seem to have cottoned on to the above - if they had they would not tolerate all the insanity that goes on all the time, all the cruelty and selfishness, and greed (and don't worry I don't think I am in any way immune from it all) - I have just had enough of it all , that's all... living in a world where I have been termed and hurt by the word "Hunchback" because I had the audasity to be born with curvature of the spine and not dared to have the horrible surgery to correct it - having spent what seems like forever on my own and unloved because of this "abnornality" whilst all the time being fed the nonsense lies that "It doesn't mater what you look like, its your personlity that counts" etc! I have now "seen though" the whole load of bacteria, virus mentality and web of lies...

I am rapidly getting to the point where I no longer care what happens to the creatures on this planet - I would just like to pull away from the whole bloody carry on...

Maybe sometimes it is better to come from a place of "Truth" and say what we really mean/think then have to play the role we feel has already been written for us...

Please do not assume that people like sweet Timmy are arguing for the sake of it - what he says is how he sees things - and I used to think it was how I saw things - but I'll admit now this was all mere pretence ....I have seen and touched the face on the table which could not have been there...!

Maybe some of us who know all this should start to come from a place of power and not cringe in "their shadows" methinks!!!!

[paul wright]

[Mark Gobell]

A valuable lesson for us all perhaps.

I sent a friendly PM to Banish in an attempt to find out more about what he posted below.

I have waited for a reply and since I didn't get one here is my reply.

[James C]

Here's some great computer animation of the twin towers just posted on 911blogger.com

This clip (below) is great because it shows the construction of the towers in simple form with the distinct inner core of massive box columns and the wafer thin exterior separated only by the floor trusses spanning between the core and the outer walls. As the graphics spin slowly round you see the penetration hole of flight 175 and the clear wing tip entry holes. We are then taken into the building through this hole and it is here that the we get a glimpse of how lightweight the construction is at this point, (the outer wall is made of square sectioned vertical columns being just over 1 foot square made of steel only a few millimetres thick rivetted together).

For me, this is further proof that a Boeing weighing a few hundred tonnes travelling at 400 miles per hour could easily penetrate the exoskeleton of the twin towers and appear to melt into the building. Those thin, exterior columns and lightweight floor trusses wouldn't have stood a chance.

See for yourself here

[mason-free party]

james C...it took me until november 2006 to realise that there were no planes...thank god i saw the light,i hope this helps you see it too

[You look at orig. footage of that day and you see how we were "MK ultra-ed"--big time--constant warnings of catastrophes that didn't happen. But it went on for days. But that's a different post. ]

IT IS THE DISCOVERY THAT THERE IS NO EVIDENCE OF PLANES that has the USG and their agents climbing the wall, ":tinhatting", "conspiracy theorists" every thing that moves, for it is the end of the game. It's the "Bingo" the Holy Grail, it's the end of GWB and Dick and mob, and extreme reactions, attacks, can be expected. "Hurting the movement"---"it's a trap"--there is NOTHING we can do to hurt the movement except to hide the truth.

THERE IS NOTHING MORE EMPOWERING THAN FINDING OUT THE TRUTH AND UNCOVERING A SCAM!!! Nothing. Even the most timid, frightened person gets stronger. . If there is anything the world's people need, it is to be empowered..........and that is our job--to tell the truth and expose the scam.


Of all the attempts to silence research--the Pentagon, the war Games, the stand-down, the pod, IMHO, nothing has brought the disinfos scurrying to the surface, lungeing, insulting, like the discovery that there was no hard evidence of plane wreckage where there should have been an abundance--several tons of it to be exact.

Many of us researchers got side tracked by trying to figure out the hijackers, the pod, the war games, that we ignored the obvious. The estimated speeds of '175' was one of the first things figured out by M.I.T. and other agencies of good reputaton. The calculations came in from 500 up to 625 mph--at sea level. The speed of the Pentagon flt 77 was judged to be 500 mph.

And even *then* we didn't catch on--so finally one retired commercial airline pilot* , followed by others, who had actually flown two of the planes, could stand it no longer and finally explained on a radio show, there was no way they could reach those speeds at sea level -- "you just can't get them to go that fast--they won't do it!" that 350 mph was more like it. Being outside the "Do Not Exceed" envelope the vibrations would be so bad that the planes would have broken up.

I just put that piece of information in the box labeled "strange facts" to be hopefully figured out some time in the future. (I later was to discover while real airliners can't achieve those speeds, computer-generated planes have no trouble at all going any speed they want.....)

About this time when I was looking at some original TV coverage of that morning, I discovered there was some sort of time-lag -- about 5-7 seconds--in the so-called coverage labeled "live". Then there was the clock on the screen that disappeared by the time of the 2nd hit--about 9:03am. So I asked around, "What's the deal--anybody else know about this?, and was met with silence. And all I could do was wonder why there was a tape delay on so-called live coverage. Was there something to hide? Why did they need to preview before airing? I knew there was something there, that it wasn't an accident. That, too went into the "Strange Facts" box to figure out later.

I'd seen the strange CNN shot of the plane melting into the bldg, many, many, times, but I couldn't make a mental 'connect'. We made the connect that the same "screams" was used in more than two scenes....

It wasn't until I saw this shot that made me sit up and take notice. Keep your eyes to the RIGHT of the green spire. DOUBLE CLICK THE INSET TO ENARGE. What do you see as the 'plane' has passed behind the spire?

http://thewebfairy.com/911/2hit/newjetcrash.htm

See the pieces, the flying debris? Some smoke or powdered concrete come out from behind the spire?


The green roof eats up the plane before it can go behind---there is no debris, no hole no plane no movement in that space to the right of the green spire. It is a totally dead space. The 'plane' is all the way in the bldg., without anything happening. THERE IS NO SIGN OF ANY IMPACT! Even with the spire there, there should be plenty of sign of the 'impact'. It is a fatal flaw. There is no sign of any impact because there was NO IMPACT.

This is deadly evidence of a computer graphic, not a real plane, and deadly evidence and proof of 9/11 being a hoax and an inside job hoax. All in this one screen capture.

Just as all evidence points to 9/11 being an inside job, instead of hijackers, so too does all avail photo evidence point to the use of computer-generated images of 'planes', and not real airliners.


(there is a second proof and maybe a third that this particular was faked--and remember this is shown that morning on
CNN--we see their logo, etc....but after this clip with it's pathetic mistakes, with it's drooping engine was shown repeatedly on the Internet, a brand new one appeared--another forgery--quietly substituted, but with moving the towers in impossible ways..........Now compare the replacement...... http://hereisnewyork.org//jpegs/photos/2087.jpg and no longer contained the mistakes...a second generation forgery.

Which forces one to ask, why did they use forgeries if the 'planes' were real? If that CNN screen shot clip shown in the morning of 9/11 was legimimate, why was it necessary perpaps a year later to quietly replace it?).





http://thewebfairy.com/911/2hit/newjetcrash.htm

Second thing to look at on the same clip.

Notice the position of two roof spires---about equidistant from the corners of the towers.

Notice the condition of the 'plane'--it is lousy--problems all over the place. An engine is drooping about to fall off--the tail looks like it was put on backwards.



WHAT DO ALL 4 'PLANES' HAVE IN COMMON?


FLT 77-- NO DEBRIS ON GROUND

FLT.. 175---- NO DEBRIS ON 'IMPACT' (Not a wheel, not a wing-tip, not a fin.)

FLT 93 (PA) ----NO DEBRIS ON GROUND

FLT 11 -----NO DEBRIS--ON 'IMPACT'

They forgot to put in the inevitable debris! [the local firemen beat the "debris truck" at the Pentagon and took the pictures to prove it..]

I could go on and on, the evidence is huge and it is consistently supporting this observation. The lack of passengers, lack of mourners, it's lack of Todd Beamer-- who was as real as Harry Potter--endless. All the loose ends come together--the tape delay was to insert the 'planes'.--to eliminate those military helicopters---to mute the sound of the explosions of the demolitions. The 'planes' didn't break up because they weren't real. The pod was an Easter Egg. The silence of the airlines was intentional, possiblly to avoid incrimination? No real planes went up, because there was no radar images to trigger an alert. The Cheney/war room story was false and planted.. The puzzled flight controllers never saw anything, and their destroyed tapes told that.

The commerical pilots stranded in airports confered with each other that they didn't believe the story of hijackers--not even one plane let alone four, it was to easy to prevent just by tipping ones wings, and throwing any hijackers to the floor, and more ways to thwart a hijacking.


All the pieces keep falling into place..


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(The clip that appeared the next day's cover of Newsday) Only a fictional plane can start off without a pod, then a few frames later "grow" a large unmistakable pod that enlarges all by it's self before our very eyes, then uses it's fragile fiberglass nose* and its 1/4" aluminum as a "battering ram" to overcome concrete and steel, and slide into the bldg. without a single piece of that plane being broken off--not a wing tip, a tail, not even a single wheel is broken off ---THAT IS IMPOSSIBLE! See how nothing breaks off.? Must be a solid steel aircraft.....no, make that solid depleted uranium plane--that would have really good penetrating capabilites........

http://www.thewebfairy.com/911/ghostplane/index.htm

http://www.gallerize.com/Videos/CNN_Best_Angle.swf

Such things can only happen in Hollywood--or maybe the basement of the Pentagon--or maybe in the control center in WTC7? . To see an example--see this 3-min demo. http://www.405themovie.com/download405.asp
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* " 757s don’t go that fast. The airplane will just not do that,” Russ Wittenberg, a retired pilot with United and Pan Am airlines, told AFP. "Its exceeding its air speed and mach speed limitations. The airplane just won't perform those maneuvers. The mach limit for a 757 is about 360 knots at 23,000 feet," Wittenberg said.
Performance limitations on 767, 757.
http://www.757.org.uk/767/limits/index.html

malaprop aka izzy


[I LIKE THIS excerpt.........].

http://911hoax.com/Why_911_Hoax_Matters.asp

"........what is significant about the 911 Hoax is how it was conducted. If the Bush government has such total control over the news media that the latter could be made to air fake planes striking the World Trade Center then no media figure can be believed. This means that the progressive, anti-war movement is extremely infiltrated.

"Last, the only means with which the Bush regime can be dislodged is if the general public suddenly realizes what a monstrous hoax was perpetuated against all humanity. The indoctrination achieved from the fake image of planes striking the WTC enabled Washington to start two wars as a "response". They've also destroyed the US Constitution on behalf of "protecting" Americans from the fear that they manufactured with phony video. The only way Americans can recover what was lost is if suddenly everyone wasn't so afraid.

Please tell people about the great 911 Hoax. You know in your heart that no planes really struck the World Trade Center. There is hardly any more time left. Another World War is coming and this issue is the only way to stop it."

Scott Loughrey