Have you experienced karma?

[Emmanuel]

I make no apologies for being off topic or controversial or a bit weird.

Who believes in karma?
Have you experienced doing something you know was wrong and had suffered greatly after comitting such an act?
The scientific term is called simply
cause and effect.
One positive action that causes anoter positive action to take place.

I think we learn more from our mistakes than our successes so if you could let me know if you think your acts of deception have caused any pain later?
Do you think 9/11 could have been a result of some bad karma of the past? I am interested in your views and insights into whether you think Karma is real.
It could be something like telling someone a wrong direction on purpose, cheating on a lover, or knowing you were putting others in danger for your own self preservation?
Do you have any morals or do you think you can cheat? I am doing a student project and would appreciate any comments on the subject. Many Thanks, Emmanuel

[marky 54]

there is no invisible thing that does bad things if you are naughty, only people who are either insane, evil , selfish, or greedy.

after that its just a case of being exposed or caught. its people that do good and evil and its people who expose or reward it.

this is proven with president bush, if there was karma then where the * is it? because it don't seem to effect bush.

[eogz]

I feel most people whether religious or not seek some atonement for past negative/wrong deeds.

Often Karma is used as a cleansing of the past, I did this bad thing then this bad thing happened to me, so I'm cleansed/even or the record is now straight.

My suspicion is that we are responsible for all our actions whether good or bad, there is no atonement for past deeds, just the acknowledgment of ourselves and a willingness not to repeat past mistakes, sometimes it is called conscience. I often realise I am my own worse Judge and Jury. There are evil people in the world and good people, however there doesn't seem to be any karmic reckoning for all the death and misery.

[Emmanuel]

Thanks for your comments Marky54 and Eogz. Karma is no excuse for not being responsible for our own actions. In practice the deeds that are done, maybe instant or prolonged, but the suffering effects are there.
It is quite different to atonement where there is sense of washing over and forgiving.
I am not a fan of Bush but I dont think he is the worst criminal in the world today. However he is the tangible face of US Policy so he will get his karma for what he has allowed to take place.
Some say he is already suffering, mentally and physically.

"PRESIDENT George Bush is suffering a dangerous mental illness, an American psychiatrist has claimed..."

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/tm_objectid=16974701&method=full&sit eid=66633&headline=bush--is-suffering-from-serious-mental-illness---na me_page.html

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/140962/is_pres_bush_suffering _from_the_effects.html

[festival of snickers]

no just instant karma once got me

[marky 54]

[festival of snickers]

bible says the wicked will persecute the good

karma says if you are bad you get bad

so the two religions are different

hippies act like if i had bad luck - maybe it was my karma and ii deserved it

hippies sometimes like ron paul or libertarians do -they wont help anyone except here and there when they get in the mood

ron paul is good on lots of issues -but he doesntseem to want to fund social programs much -or does he?



true people can reap what they sow

but basically the doctrine of karma is bs

karma is a Sanskrit word which means some bizarre religious doctrine which inst true

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karma#Concept

this guy substituting for alex jones makes me sick how he talks -not that i hate the south-i guess people like gram parsons talked ok-theres another weird story

[paul wright]

It's another trap isn't it? The guys who are the evil avoid the consequences down the centuries.Their power only grows as it is handed out while the poor sit in awe and servitude
* Karma, it's best translated as unfinished business, which is what we, the poor and meek have, in plentitude

[Emmanuel]

Excellent perspectives!

[marky 54]

"Ok, im going to do it, time to break the bondage of the material world and get ouf the matrix and all its glossy entertainments."

do what? i don't like the sound of that comment, please reply and put my mind at rest, then explain what you mean, because to me it sounds like your going to do something stupid, don't.

if im over reacting then i apologize, but the last part of you post is a bit cryptic.

[festival of snickers]

"Ok, im going to do it, time to break the bondage of the material world and get ouf the matrix and all its glossy entertainments."

i think hes giving up the pubs and nite life
take this advice -be like the jews take off friday night

on friday night they all go mad -stay home
sabbath friday night to saturday night

you wont miss anything

[festival of snickers]

this precious little forum is so damn slow i think it also slows down my OTHER PAGES ON THE INTERNET!!!!

what a waste and theres many other forums frree to start on msn etc

what a waste of time

it took maybe 10 mintues for my above other post to go in

pretty lame

MAYBE IT WAS SOME MYSPACE PAGE IM ON THAT CAUSED IT

[Emmanuel]

Festival of Snickers. Your messages nearly always make me laugh, no offense.
Yes agree this forum is far too slow. Which is why i am trying to find a way of keeping the network of people established here united somehow.
See the respect truth message here:
http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/respecttruth/
Marky: Not to worry, I am not doing anyhtign drastic. I hardly go to the pub, these things are only external. Not doing things that hurt yourself or others is the way not to run up too much karma.
If you were suggesting somehting else, then i will say now, I know that those who end their lives before they are meant to wonder around aimlessley without bodies. Even more miserable than before. I dont intend to do that.
Those are the ghosts who die suddenly and dont know where to go, in between worlds, clinging on to the past.
Freeing ourselves from birth and death means, going back to God, not making too many more mistakes, thinking of God before you die and trying to serve him now while you have this Human body.
Thats what it is all about.
Well it s six years. No time to beat around the bush, eh!
Get to work without causing any harm, while we still have a freedom of speech
Peace

[festival of snickers]

yahoo groups work great yet they reveal your email address and that wont happen with msn groups

but i guess it doesnt really matter

[marky 54]

"If you were suggesting somehting else, then i will say now, I know that those who end their lives before they are meant to wonder around aimlessley without bodies. Even more miserable than before. I dont intend to do that."


phew.... sorry for over reacting, but it did sound like something that was a departing speech from this life into one without a body.

[acrobat74]

Coelho, seeing the world through a Christian / mystical lens, wrote something nice the other day:

[eogz]

When I re read this thread, I couldn't help thinking of th programme My Name is Earl.

God I wish it was that simple.

I suspect as far as cosmic consciousness and all that, we create our own luck, evil, good and life.

I'm not sure about Karma, and I don't believe it is atonement, but often people will think that by doing something bad and having something bad happen to them they somehow neagate their initial action. I'm not so sure that is how it works.

Interesting thread though.

[festival of snickers]

id recommend book by cs lewis called "mere Christianity"

galations in bible yes says people reap what they sow

in this life sometimes the wicked prosper

the bible says in last days people will be despiser's of those that do good

[festival of snickers]

id recommend book by cs lewis called "mere Christianity"

galations in bible yes says people reap what they sow

in this life sometimes the wicked prosper

the bible says in last days people will be despiser's of those that do good

[Emmanuel]

" My Name is Earl"
I am glad you mentioned that Eogz becuase it sounded like you have watched that too!One of the few programmes I have watched from start to finish. Very funny and excellent! The difference is Earl was ATONING, trying to make up for the wrongs he had done.
He described Karma as a charactor. He goes through all those things on his list due to feeling guilty or injust or due to fearing this Karma monster! I like the theme of the show but the explaination of Karma is a bit misleading.
Its not , its a force, its simple physics.
Karma= the law of cause and effect. The principle is similar to that expressed by the Christian verse, "As ye sow, so shall ye reap." The word karma means action, and it's used as short-hand for the idea that every action you take causes a reaction in the future. Positive, caring actions will bring positive results back to you, whereas negative, hurtful actions will result in your suffering.
Many people believe that both good and bad karma can return to you at any time, even after this lifetime. Vaishnavas believe that the soul is immortal and is reborn in a new body after a person dies. Thus, you have an endless series of lives to work on your karma. In each life, you should strive to do good works and evolve spiritually so your next life will be better than this one. The ultimate goal of life is to break free of the cycle of birth and death and transmigrate back to God as a pure spirit soul.

I may sound simplistic or idealistic but you have to see the existance of a person as a whole, not just in those few hours, months or years.
I am trying to explain that Karma does not need you to feel guilty, you just get punished, obstacles come in your way, you lose things of value, etc etc.
If you have a piece of wet clay and squeeze it it moves, you cant stop a reaction. I have not just read this in a book, I am very aware of karma myself. You can synthesise it into your own life and take notice of whats around. I need to take repsonisbility of my life and actions, as much as everyone else.
Even Alex Jones talks about sowing what you reap....
We may not see the NWO falling down now - but soon.....