No Planes/TV Fakery - I Smell A Rat!

[blackbear]

Jeff...the site owner...

I don't make decisions like this lightly, but so much discrediting bs and disinformation has accrued to 9/11 Truth I felt it necessary to draw a line against the no WTC planes/"TV fakery" infection.

I've seen 9/11 boards eaten up by this nonsense and I don't want to see that here. Like I told a Judy Wood advocate in the 9/11 forum, call me a gatekeeper if you like, but it's my gate, and I'm keeping it.

HCF...

Advocating or advancing theories contending that no planes whatsoever struck the WTC is discouraged, and such threads will be subject to locking, moving to the Fire Pit, or deletion."

I'm not saying I believe that planes did NOT hit any towers. Personally, I don't give a damn either way. But why, I ask WHY is this verboten? I missed any previous discussion of this I'd simply like to understand this. I find it very weird indeed.

What is the harm?

Sunny..........( obscure..BB)

It has a lot to do with showing respect to the ordinary workaday people of New York, who by the tens of thousands, saw planes strike the buildings. To say no planes hit the buildings is to call these folks all liars, idiots, or delusional. This is not an anti-people board.

Don,t see the following:...BB

I think this is a very important consideration. I believe a big aspect of such disinfo is the intent to alienate everyday people and victims' families from "9/11 Truth." ......Jeff........controlled......Zionist.!

I think this is a very important consideration. I believe a big aspect of such disinfo is the intent to alienate everyday people and victims' families from "9/11 Truth."

11/11...Sussed..

Seems like the no planes theories are best dealt with through discussion. Then again, I'm not someone who likes another to do my thinking for me.

http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board/viewtopic.php?t=14283&start=0

[David WJ Sherlock]

[James C]

[catfish]

It won't split me from it!
If a 9/11 truth march was organised tomorrow, like the one at the stop the war gathering in Manchester earlier this year, I would quite happily stand by anyone from either side of the debate, even arm in arm with gruts. Although I think that would be too much for him to bear as apparently I'm a fckwit playing with a lawnmower.
I reckon chek would be quite a laugh as well but then perhaps I'm too naive to share his space at such an event and it would be dangerous to leave us wide open to ridicule. However hopefully we could work it out and unite for a common goal.


love to all who read this,

David

[paul wright]

Precisely catfish. The people who express the most problem with this are the antis.
What's their problem?

[John White]

[paul wright]

That's purely your view and your reality, John. You know well that I fully respect you. I ceratainly don't endorse aggressive NPTers or DEWers, but you cannot say for a moment that it's proven fraud . Proven by what?
Limited science? I personally wont argue for it for a minute any more, because of its divisiveness. But dont think I dont know where that division originates

[John White]

[catfish]

[John White]

Well we still have a way to go to even get a real investigation into 9/11 so the issue of court is still some way away: but if we can say that certain people orchestrated mass murder, then they should stand some kind iof trial, in the interest of brigning out truth, which has to be the foundation of change. Killtown and co are small fires compared to that, nonetheless, it seems reasonable to me to state the principle that fruadsters should be accoutable for their actions: how that might ever manifest in reality is of course an unknown

[catfish]

[paul wright]

[Cruise4]

Seconded, or thirded. Right or wrong the NPT debate is doing us no good at present. There are more important issues at present and the truth will come out in the end.

[blackcat]

Can't the mods make a section like "Critic's Corner" but strictly for NPTers and put any posts on the subject there. Anyone still wishing to entertain drivel can post there/debate to their hearts content and the rest can ignore it. Making it non-viewable to casual visitors would be a help as well.

[Bongo]

I have to agree with Mr White once again on this subject. However, I see things a little more simply than people spreading theories such as NPT and the junk spewed from Jokedy Wood's gob for the "purpose of derailing the truth movement".

These people are true "Conspiracy theorists"... they are quite likely to believe in Aliens crash landing etc.

The issue is that 9/11 is not a conspiracy theory in the media sence. It is very different indeed as there is far too much evidence to ignore.

We will always have daft conspiracy theorists, but we should make it quite clear that we do not associate with them and instead, continue to examine the evidence, ask the relevant questions and present the facts in a clear and concise way. That is how we will undermine the lies of the OCT.

It is just a shame that such loons are capable of damaging the reputation of the work of so many great intellectuals, theologens, scientists and engineers etc... but on the other hand, anyone with an iota of intelligence can easily distinguish between the the two camps.

[John White]

[chek]

[chek]

[blackcat]

[Christophera]

[paul wright]

Ouch - no wonder I never posted here much on this subject. Even the most open-hearted will leap in to deny it. While they'll allow so much other stuff in.

[Christophera]

[Christophera]

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the FEMA lie about the core and sent him to my site, that was the end of it.
then Ginny Howards notice came out.

http://algoxy.com/psych/whatis9-11disinfo.st9-11.html

and I knew it was getting messed up. So I tried joining gages ae911 when it first started but for over a year there was not even a return email. Then tried to sign up again and got in. Posted 3 threads expecting an up front barrage from Gage support steel core columns, but nothing. It's like there was discussion going on about the concrete core information in secret and people had already made up their minds, although a few independent thinkers tried to oppose the concrete, they failed because there is no evidence at all. ONly the word of FEMA and a long chain of authorities accepting the FEMA data.

Then I made the video and uploaded it,

url=http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6240504594075547308&q=twi n+towers+deception+and+demolition&total=15&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=se arch&plindex=0]Twin Tower Deception and Demolition I[/url]

Twin Tower Deception and Demolition II

after a few days I did a search with the title to see what people were saying about it and I found this posting at chemtrails.com.

Subject: RE: Core columns
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 06:10:46 -0700

Mark,

Very few people in the 9/11 Truth movement, if any,
agree with Christopher
Brown. I believe his thesis is a dead end. The
construction photos are
clear that the core columns are steel all the way up.

Richard

Which was kind of strange because at ae911, he never even posted in one of my thread ever.

So I called Janice Matthews who I spoke to first in perhaps 2002 and spoke to her generally about the disformation or misinformation of the steel core columns. She admitted that she didn't know much about structural and asked what Gage thought. I explained I was a member of the message board and that gage had never posted in my threads explaining the FEMA deception having all the evidence for concrete, all of which should show the steel core columns if the existed but do not, 'cause the steel core columns did not exist. I said that all I knew about what Gage though of the concrete core was what I'd found at chemtrails.com and read the above email message back to the poster who emailed Gage asking about the concrete and my information.

A few days later I get this email from Gage saying I've been banned.

From: richard gage
Subject: Christopher Brown representing an AE911Truth.org "board" member
Date: September 23, 2007 9:25:51 PM PDT


Christopher,

We have removed you as a member of AE911Truth.org for having attempted to represent yourself as an AE911Truth.org "board" member to Janice Mathews of 911Truth.org

Please let me know if you have any questions about this action.

Sincerely,

Richard Gage



The only thing I can figure is that Gage has been arguing against me on message boards under another username and I've been kicking his butt over and over with solid evidence from 9-11 showing the towers core bared and it's empty, with concrete core walls surrounding it. He wouldn't do that on his own board because if he was presented good evidence there and had none to oppose it, reasonably he would have to change his mind, and he doesn't want to. WHY?

It seems reasonable to assume the above because of the unjustified banning that he's pissed about being owned over and over on various boards and was looking for any reason to trash me.

[John White]

[Christophera]

[Christophera]

[John White]

You really need to find that documentary mate: it undermines your whole case for it to be based on evidence you can't show: it would certainly be very powerful if you could!

I have tried to give your concrete core theory a chance: I certainly see that you are sincere in your dedication to it. However I'm not convinced that your explanation for light shining through the centre of the towers showing what appears to be a columunar core as light reflecting off doors really cuts it

However, you are consistantly respectful and present yourself well, so all credit to you

[catfish]

It's strange that this "controlled demolition" starts at the top. I've never seen another like it. Has anyone else?

[James C]

[catfish]

Thanks James! I guess now I have seen a top down demolition! Looks very like the towers aswell, lots of dust in climbing balls.