Joanna Yeates murdered by violent porn obsessed Dutchman

[TonyGosling]

- possible ritual killing?

If Joanna died on the night of (correction Tuesdsay 21st *) December it may have been a ritual killing. That night was the nearest full moon to the winter solstice and arguably the big satanic night of the year.
There is strong evidence that occultists believe the taking of life to be necessary at their black masses and that the most valuable life to take would be that of an innocent woman or man. In their sick minds, preferably someone of faith.

*corrected TG 5th Jan

[fish5133]

Had crossed my mind but wasnt sure of the date specifics.

24 unsolved Bristol murders

[fish5133]

I missed this one. Did this make headlines or MSM?

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[TonyGosling]

I hope people understand this was on 'my patch' so I feel I have to push the boat out a bit on this one.

Was Joanna Yeates a victim of white man’s magic?

By dismissing the ritual murder hypothesis could detectives be wasting precious time in this investigation?


Seemingly motiveless murder of apparently ‘innocent’ woman.

The full moon on Tuesday December 21st 2010 fell between abduction on Friday 17th and body being found on Saturday 25th. It was the closest full moon to the winter solstice might this have been a ‘grand sabbat’, or ritual gathering of the occult. This is believed perhaps to be a black magic ‘celebration’ and ritual sacrifice occasion for witches, high degree freemasons, satanists, voodooists etc.. ‘Saturnalia’

Clifton is rumoured to be honeycombed with underground tunnels, far more than acknowledged in the book ‘Secret Underground Bristol’. Ideal for smuggling or moving bodies etc. around.

Joanna’s body was dumped in Failand near Long Ashton and close to the recently rebuilt ‘Observatory’ designer house on North side of Clevedon Road between Kingcott Mill Farm Caravans and Cambridge Batch. Notorious occultist Alistair Crowley is rumoured to have stayed there when in Bristol in the mid 20th century. Location is also close to new Bristol city mortuary and coroners court.

Location of Joanna’s flat is close to Clifton Park, about which I have heard rumours of voodoo. Only rumours mind.


Factors which would indicate veracity of this hypothesis

Policemen or women who are freemasons or witches may attempt to divert or obscure ritual killing line of enquiry by ridicule etc. Moles within police are likely to tip off suspects and divert detectives if they get close to killers. This may lead to breakdown of trust between police and victim’s friends and family.

Was Joanna Yeates a person of faith, Christian, or even a virgin?

Had she made enemies at work and were any of her work colleagues witches or freemasons?


Suggested lines of enquiry.....?

Do you now of anyone who made an excuse to disappear mid-evening on Tuesday 21st December? Do you know anyone who came back home late or surfaced particularly late on Wednesday morning 22nd December?

Do you know of any underground locations near Clifton, Failand or Flax Bourton where a ritual gathering might take place?

Make special appeal to white witches and honest freemasons to aid in your enquiries.

Highly likely Joanna’s body was dumped late on the night of Christmas Eve when traffic is at a minimum to avoid murderer and car being noticed. There are ANPR cameras near Failand, so where might a car have travelled to/from that would have not registered on these cameras? Forensically check all cars in this area if feasible.

[TonyGosling]

Avon and Somerset police incident room number, which I have not seen given out on local TV news yet is, I believe, 0845 4567000.

[Andrew.]

Tony, it's said in a report? That she or her body had to cross the Clifton Bridge? At some point (no tunnels there? Or less likely? ) is there any traffic cameras (that record) it would seem likely because of the bridge they would put more cameras there? (What routes are there not using the bridge, is there many)? Are there routes that could have been used with no cameras? Most traffic or Google map software etc, may show this?

A pathology report would revile how long her body had been out side? If it was a short time that would narrow it down.

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[fish5133]

Hi Tony. yes its on your patch.. I hope you can account for your wherabouts on the nights in question! The masonics will be after you

There is what looks like an entrance to a Tarmac quarry close to the place the body was found. Do we know what day this closed for xmas as there may have been lots of traffic passing which could mean body dumped after that. Google maps shows tennis courts and other things but given the weather these would probably have been shut. The quarry too may have shut down early. Looks like possible CCTV camera (may just be flood light column)close to entrance of quarry

Top end of Longwood Lane looks like some business units. The aerial photo on aboutmyplace.co.uk shows around 100+ cars some of which may have travelled past the body if left before xmas close down

Maybe the perp was going to try and dispose of body in the quarry knowing it was closed but panicked and just dumped it by roadside

I dont run with the landlord even though he could pass as a druid. He seems maybe eccentric but thats all. Looks like he has upset local developers in getting some local developments overturned. He also has a financial interest in not killing his tenants. Surprised the police are holding him unless they have something more tangible on him than just some confusing things he has said.

Sex game. been a few deaths resulting from strangulation used in sex--supposed to heighten orgasm (so i have read!!).

Leaving behind of keys and stuff seems to suggest perhaps she didnt want to leave.

do we know what clothing the body was found in?

Just found this

[fish5133]

Mail Online putting the boot in on Landlord


Was Joanna's body hidden next to her flat? Murder police quiz 'nutty professor' with a blue rinseBy Luke Salkeld, Ryan Kisiel and Arthur MartinLast updated at 10:51 AM on 31st December 2010


Jefferies' flat now being extensively searched by forensic teams

Landlord was Head of English at public school nearby

Former pupils say he would get angry, shout, and throw books (and was fascinated in poet obsessed with death)



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1342794/Joanna-Yeates-murder-F lat-landlord-Chris-Jefferies-searched-bags-evidence-removed.html#ixzz1 9oo95PWP


Also unsolved murder of girl at party backing onto landlords flat back in 1974 (death by strangulation)

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[fish5133]

Bit more info. funy how you find different bits in different reports.

[Andrew.]

Seems an odd drink that and 2 bottles. Intended for two people?



Most aloholics I know drink Cider (white lightning, frosty jack) or vodka. Of course I don't know about her (I’m just thinking out loud a bit) but alcoholics won’t eat much at all and a heavy drinker won’t eat before drinking. And alcoholics or heavy drinkers tend to buy at supermarkets (white lightning, frosty jack, that has seen no apple; plonk. Can be cheap in corner stores). So it seems overall, mostly just social drinking.


PS: I'm T Total.

[fish5133]

Landlord might have been right about seeing 2 people leave flat with Jo. Maybe he has been taken in for his own protection? He later down plays it as he is scared-- bit of a long shot.

If you have just walked home a mile in the cold would your first drink be a glass of cider (possibly not even chilled). If it was me i think i would have the oven on first and get the pizza in and have a glass with my meal

Hope the police have interviewed all her pub mates to see what her usual tipple was and how many. Suppose the boyfriend would know if a Tesco finest pizza was a favourite of Joannas.


PS I used to be T Total then i read my bible properly!Although not been drunk for 30 years

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[Shoestring]

I found this curious. The Daily Mail reported on December 31: "Neighbours said yesterday that private CCTV on residents’ houses had not been checked by police until late last week. One homeowner, who lives along the route Miss Yeates may have used to walk to her flat, said his device recorded over itself every four days and the footage from the night Miss Yeates disappeared had been deleted."

Furthermore, "It was also claimed that police looking for the Tesco pizza Miss Yeates bought on her way home, started a door-to-door search on Tuesday – a day after the council’s recycling lorries had collected."

Full article:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1342794/Joanna-Yeates-murder-F lat-landlord-Chris-Jefferies-searched-bags-evidence-removed.html

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Just looking at some info and trying to find the first reports about Joanna and who issued them. Nothing yet.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-11994534

14 December 2010
Family appeal for missing Sheffield woman
A police investigation was started after Sally Webster, 48, was reported missing from her home in Laird Avenue, Sheffield, on 20 November.

http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?p=7084742

Some comments on local forum and still missing.

pic of Sally [edited to link ed.]
http://img.mediaspanonline.com/6241/4593719.jpg


“I really hope Sally is found soon. My thoughts will be with you tomorrow.
But why does one missing person gain media interest and aid, and another does not?”


“why is this not featured on local tv news ???”

"Seems to depend on whether the national media take an interest. What started the ball rolling with Joanna Yates - her parents televised appeal perhaps ?"

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"Joanna Yates missing" News search. Just 8 results.

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[John White]

Some interesting information here...

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=150997

May be a red herring, especially as it seems Chris Jeffries is out of the immediate frame, but seems appropriate to this discussion

[TonyGosling]

I DO realise this theory is a long shot
but unless its impossible it cannot be ruled out
Do police really consider every option with the weight it deserves?
When the trail could lead close to Bristol CID's superiors?

Surely the detectives should EITHER consider OR discount this hypothesis.
DO you remember what you were doing on the evening of Tuesday 21st November?

I've run the full moon thing past a lot of people.
Most say they hope the police would be considering it but are not sure whether they would so it falls to me.

I'm sure I'm not the only person thinking this
Of course it's possible
I just can't get away from the uncanny timing and discovery of the body on Christmas day to ruin Bristol's Christmas.

The early intervention of the press must be explained.
I'll see what I can do this end.

[John White]

One scenario that occurs to me is that current media output shows every sign of deliberately souring the case... let us speculate that IF there was some ritualistic alarm bells about the body its position, location etc, those on the force "in the know" would understand that to mean they were dealing with "untouchables" even if they wanted to go for them... so focus on a quick arrest, see if the landlord can be fitted into the frame... clearly that didn't fly, there could not have been clear and direct evidence to charge Jeffries or he would never have been released... so now they seek a deluge of irrelevant details through this facebook group, the accomplish theory, the vehicle theory etc etc... this is going to lead to so many red herrings the case will become effectively unsolvable... so the untouchable case becomes an unsolvable one

And you never know, some poor deluded type might pop up on facebook going "it was me wot did it honest" and plod would not be over troubled by obliging if there was a vague chance of building a circumstantial case that would fly in court

Wish I could be more optimistic, and perhaps there is something we don't know that could give cause for optimism (obviously there are things we don't know that wouldn't, but there might be some genuine leads still)... whatever comes next the media circus won't run indefinitely

[TonyGosling]

Detective Phil Jones has said the two figures, below, following Jo home were 'probably passers by' and have been discounted from his enquiry. !!!!!

ALSO The local BBC news today failed to mention the massive row - see below - between ITN and the police after they were banned from this morning's press conference.
Did anyone see last nights ITN report on police failings in this investigation?
Yes, this one stinks to high heaven.

ITN says police ban amounts to censorship

5 January 2011 - By PA Media Lawyer

Avon and Somerset Police has complained to media regulator Ofcom this afternoon over an ITV News report which it described as "unfair, naïve and irresponsible".

Police banned journalists from ITV News from a news conference , this morning apparently in response to last night's report which was critical of their investigation.

In the piece, journalist Geraint Vincent questioned whether the force's inquiries had followed procedure, and suggested that officers were no closer to finding 25-year-old Ms Yeates' killer than they were when her body was found on Christmas Day.

David Mannion, ITN editor-in-chief, told the BBC Radio Media Show this afternoon that before last night's report ITN, which supplies ITV with its national news programmes, made numerous unsuccessful attempts to get a response from Avon and Somerset Police. "We stand by our story," he said.

If the chief constable was unhappy about the previous night's report, he should have complained to ITN or Ofcom, he said, adding: "The issue here is that in the interim period we have a situation where legitimate members of the press are summarily banned from attending a press conference."

That was against the public interest, he said, given that the point of the news conference was to gain the maximum news coverage of the fact that police were seeking one sock which was missing from Ms Yeates' body when it was found.

"We go out to millions of people who cannot now have seen that as a result of the ban."

An ITN spokesman said: "ITN is hugely disappointed by Avon and Somerset Constabulary's decision to exclude ITV News from today's press conference.

"This decision will result in millions of viewers not being able to see new evidence or hear the latest police calls for witnesses. Our coverage has helped maintain awareness of this case, and we strongly disagree with Avon and Somerset Constabulary's attempt to censor what information we can broadcast.

"Avon and Somerset Constabulary's decision to ban ITV News follows reports on last night's ITV News at Ten which raised apparent inconsistencies of the police's handling of some elements of the case.

"The force was contacted numerous times ahead of broadcast but Avon and Somerset Constabulary did not use this opportunity to register any issues or raise a complaint with ITN."

An Avon and Somerset Police spokesman said in a statement: "We have made a complaint to Ofcom in respect of the unfair, naïve and irresponsible reporting on the ITN 10 O'Clock news yesterday evening.

"As we are still awaiting a response to our complaint it would be inappropriate for us to comment any further at this time.

"A live murder investigation has been under way now for just 12 days and the media have played an important role in helping us to appeal for witnesses.

"While we appreciate the support we have received so far from most of the media we must step in if we feel coverage will hamper the investigation. Our primary aim will always be to secure justice for Joanna."

The spokesman - who was asked directly who authorised the press conference ban, and why it was introduced, particularly if police sought given maximum coverage in relation to the missing sock - said there would be no further comment.

http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=1&storycode=46501& c=1


A person is innocent until proven Guilty always.

[John White]

The Guardian reporting the same, with audio link to comments made on "the media show" this morning

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jan/05/itv-news-joanna-yeates-inv estigation

This really is remarkable....