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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 8:42 am    Post subject: Guests to 9/11 Truth please read Reply with quote

http://septembereleventh.org/documents/rodgwtcpdf.pdf

To any guest who visits this forum I urge you to please read the above pdf document to gain an insight into the "half-baked farce" which was the official "investigation" into the collapse of the WTC towers.

In a misguided attempt at fair play the moderators of this site allow disinformation agents to post here to spread the lies of the 9/11 report. These people would have you believe that thousands of structural engineers support the official explanation when in fact that is yet another lie. The document is full of references to engineering experts, and quotes from newspaper articles from the time of the "enquiry" questioning the obstructions placed in the way of the investigators. It shows the collapse to be impossible as explained by the government report, as well as referring to many of the deliberate lies they told.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 4:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Guests to 9/11 Truth please read Reply with quote

blackcat wrote:
http://septembereleventh.org/documents/rodgwtcpdf.pdf

To any guest who visits this forum I urge you to please read the above pdf document to gain an insight into the "half-baked farce" which was the official "investigation" into the collapse of the WTC towers.

In a misguided attempt at fair play the moderators of this site allow disinformation agents to post here to spread the lies of the 9/11 report. These people would have you believe that thousands of structural engineers support the official explanation when in fact that is yet another lie. The document is full of references to engineering experts, and quotes from newspaper articles from the time of the "enquiry" questioning the obstructions placed in the way of the investigators. It shows the collapse to be impossible as explained by the government report, as well as referring to many of the deliberate lies they told.


There is only 1 structural engineer that I know of who supported the idea that bombs may have brought down the WTC. Although he changed his mind within days, the CTers still quote him....nearly 5 years later.

It is a clear fact that no structural engineers support the WTC CD theory. If I was wrong I'm sure Mr or Ms. Blackcat would provide a list of structural engineers who agree with the CTers. This would prove me wrong.

So where's that list? How about just one name?

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is an example of the bilge I am talking about. Just not even bothering to read the article I posted and asking for names when there are names in the article. Note that I am required to provide a name of an engineer who is on record as saying he believes explosives were used. This in a climate when a University lecturer is threatened with losing his means of earning a living for saying the same. When senior members of the US government call for his sacking for daring to express his opinion. The article clearly gives names of experts who describe the official explanation of the collapse of the towers as a "half-baked farce" and even worse. What is wrong with asking for a proper and full enquiry? What do they have to hide? Why do people who speak out get slammed?

The response of Jayref to this article is typical of the way he avoids the issue and pretends to want debate. His request is nonsense and he knows it. There is a massive amount of disquiet about what made the buildings collapse and this has been voiced by many experts. He knows this but seeks to obfuscate and detract from the truth.

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Former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury under President Reagan, Paul Craig Roberts, expressed his doubt about the common account in the following statement: "I know many qualified engineers and scientists have said the WTC collapsed from explosives. In fact, if you look at the manner in which it fell, you have to give their conclusions credibility."


Jayref - Ask him for names.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

blackcat wrote:
This is an example of the bilge I am talking about. Just not even bothering to read the article I posted and asking for names when there are names in the article.


Please,...it's 2006 you know. How about the name of a single structural engineer who STILL thinks explosives may have brought down the WTC towers? I'll admit there was at least one who thought it possible, but before September 2001 even ended he had changed his mind. It is now 2006.

This is the kind of shoddy if not downright dishonest thinking that CTers do to promote their movement. They can't stand to address real evidence lest it act to dismantle the movement that gives them such a feeling of empowerment for some reason. Eric Hufschmid has made a career out of 9/11 and is basically an uneducated con man who has no expertise in any field with even a casual relation to the events of 9/11.

Talk about bilge...you scorn the 9/11 commission report as being one source (when in fact its footnotes show multiple sources of evidence) Instead you hold up the opinion of a man who has no relevant expertise and who basically just repeats oft debunked lies to an audience of the confused.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Instead you hold up the opinion of a man who has no relevant expertise and who basically just repeats oft debunked lies to an audience of the confused.


Who is that man? That article is FULL of references to newspapers and Engineering and Firefighter magazines as well as experts in the field. Which ones are you saying are untrue? Which articles in the NY Times? Which opinions are untrue?

As usual ignoring the questions and issues the collapse of the towers raises and more muddying the waters with a vague denial of any of the comments within. Forget them all as you don't like some individual who you associate with it. Exactly the shoddy way you attempt to prevent any enquiry to what really happened. What are you afraid of? Why are people pilloried and threatened with losing their jobs if there is nothing to worry about? What is this "feeling of empowerment" you talk of? I feel a sense of total lack of any power in the face of a massive cover-up. Is that what this is to you? A kick? Somehow it makes you feel big to associate with the murderers?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jay Ref is averaging about 12 posts a day, which is pretty good going.I see Chipmunk is moving at roughly the same rate. Perhaps the tasking includes a quota thing.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jay Ref

Last warning, your posts outside the critics corner will be deleted

That does not mean you can not comment or challenge material posted outside critics corner. All you have to do is cut and paste the material or link to the original thread and start your own thread in critics corner then post a link to your new thread in the original post inviting others to join you in the critics corner.

Those that wish to will do so and those that don't, won't.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.chiefengineer.org/article.cfm?seqnum1=1029

Interesting article from "Chief Engineer" Magazine where people within the WTC describe the explosions that went off in the basement. Explosions which could not possibly be associated with the plane crash.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F40A11FB3E550C768EDDAB 0994D9404482

From the New York Times Dec 25 2001

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A NATION CHALLENGED: THE TOWERS; Experts Urging Broader Inquiry In Towers' Fall


December 25, 2001, Tuesday

By JAMES GLANZ AND ERIC LIPTON (NYT); Metropolitan Desk
Late Edition - Final, Section A, Page 1, Column 5, 1612 words

DISPLAYING FIRST 50 OF 1612 WORDS -Saying that the current investigation into how and why the twin towers fell on Sept. 11 is inadequate, some of the nation's leading structural engineers and fire-safety experts are calling for a new, independent and better-financed inquiry that could produce the kinds of conclusions vital for skyscrapers and future...


The article has to be purchased to be read in full. The point is made however that SOME OF THE NATION'S LEADING STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS.... were NOT happy with the enquiry as it was being done. NOTHING CHANGED!!!!
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If that that occurs it is necessary to search for that to whom it favourably. Whether to Islamites explosions of the world towers were favourable?
Christopher Bollina's researches, Lyndon LaRouche, Andreas fon Bulow, etc. - have proved a full inconsistency of the official version of destruction of buildings-skyscrapers on September, 11th. How semiliterate arabs with knives could for papers are sharp have grasped the plane?
Background Bulow marks, that all large terrorist operations are constructed by a principle of a nested doll. On a kind for a deceit, there are terrorists of an operating level. The highest level - a level of architects - develops acts of terrorism for change of public opinion.
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