Do you view critics as subhuman?

[stateofgrace]

[Bushwacker]

How does it go now?

Ah yes, "first they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they attack you, then you win"

The "banish to the corner" phase ought to be in there somewhere, but obviously for prole the attack phase has started.

[prole art threat]

Oh dear.

I think this may have a lot to to do with the fact that stateofgrace is a massive Muse fan.

[John White]

Obviously not SOG...and to return the Q, do you think PAT really sees critics as subhuman either?

But he's an impassioned fella, and its for him to take responsibility for his own expression

I'd have to agree though that for those who want to move forward on both "sides", its hardly helpful

Have said that I've seen (and recieved) far worse

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[John White]

[stateofgrace]

[prole art threat]

I think he is probably an ex-Muse fan now, tho...

[jsut_peopel]

[prole art threat]

[jsut_peopel]

Well that was yet another meaningless post by your good self. I am merely trying to point out, that acting like a hate filled paranoid psycho, might not be the best way to convince people of the varacity of your ideas. It doesn't really bother me that you undermine your own arguments by acting like a 12 year old, I just thought that if you were serious about winning the hearts and minds of the general population, in order to create a groundswell of support to force a new investigation into 11/9 , acting like the aforementioned hatefilled paranoid psycho probably isn't the best way of going about it. You know, to me that's just pretty obvious.

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[stateofgrace]

[prole art threat]

[stateofgrace]

A hissy fit?

Go on enlighten me, WTF are you on about?

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[John White]

You guys have a fair point about even handed moderation, in good conscience I'd have to agree you don't deserve emotive abuse

At the same time, as you know better, don't bait Prole Art Threat further to make that point. You should be able to ignore him and PM concern to the moderators, same as everyone else. Just a question of self-discipline.

Hells teeth, you should see the abuse I've waded through on forums: try talking about religion. Philosphers are rarely popular when pushing peoples buttons in the cause of a good argument. I've never seen anything on here from anyone that isn't a girls picnic in comparison. Not to depreciate from whatever insult you may have felt, but lets face it, for those interested in truth, whatever they percieve that to be, its hardly ever an easy lifestyle choice

[prole art threat]

[chek]

No, I don't think critics are sub-human, and neither do I think that PAT really believes that either - it's strictly rhetoric.

Not pleasantly rhetorical, but while I agree some of us are more impassioned than others, I also think some of us can allow an intellectual approach to become a little too rarified and lose sight of the human disaster that brings us here. Not all of us can react to topics as merely abstracts, and in a way, being reminded of that occasionally (if forcefully)may not be entirely a bad thing.

And I do not for one minute think anyone is in danger of torture either - as John pointed out, internet forums can be more like arenas sometimes, but apart from the occasional bruised ego or lacerated pride, I've never heard of any lasting harm coming from them.

[scar]

Theres some hypocrisy going on here.
Its not ok for someone to call you subhuman but its perfectly acceptable to call others nazis, lunatics, insane, paranoid, moronic or whatever other insults you choose? There is little difference - its dehumanising the 'enemy'.
Ive lost count of the amount of times these and other insults have been levelled at members of the truth movement by critics over the years...and have seen it plenty on this forum. (I include you in that sog, ive read several insults from you since i arrived here which renders your righteous indignation all the more amusing). Many insults have gone the other way too of course...i have to hold back here when i read antagonistic arrogance and hence i rarely post in this section as it is full to the brim with it.

Why do critics so often imply that everyone questionning the official story of 911 are the same?
I can only presume that it makes it easier to dismiss the truth movement if 'we' are seen as all the same and therefore judged based on the comments of one individual.
That you chose to create this thread is further evidence of that perspective, that you would even have to ask... I accept that the subhuman comment is an example of this coming back at ya...
No i do not think you are subhuman. I think that many critics are severely misguided, many are rude and insulting, many are extremely narrow-minded, some seem to lack empathy etc there are exceptions to this of course. Not all critics think the same even though many seem to use the same debunking sites to establish their perspectives and appear to derive a feeling of superiority from that somehow.

I admit that nowadays i have little time for many critics who i see regularly insulting people, grouping everyone as one unthinking lunatic moronic mass and supporting the official line relentlessly, claiming that all 'our' evidence is rubbish and the 911 commission report is fullproof as is popular mechanics, 911 myths etc etc. What point is there debating with what i see as intellectual dishonesty? entrenched us vs them mentality etc
The arguments are frequently circular and due to the seemingly impenetrable barrier seperating us there appears little point engaging. I am aware that many thrive from endless debate and seem to glean a boost to the ego from such confrontations, reporting back to comrades with their supposed crushing of the lunatics...all of which seems very pointless to me and fairly pathetic.
Many critics claim to be against the war, against the attacks on our civil liberties etc etc yet spend enormous amounts of their time trying to 'debunk' (using the claims of others) the truth campaign. I dont understand this at all. Time is short, how do you rationalise this?

I doubt i'll be posting much in this corner but i will be checking in to read now and then. There is much to be done and it wont be achieved sitting here banging my head against a wall.

Peace.

[DeFecToR]

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[stateofgrace]

There you go, there seems to be a majority view that categorising people as subhuman is not a good thing.

Oh deflecor, it's not about me and you, I know you don't like me any more than I like you. It is about labelling everybody as the same. See your dislike for me is blatant and as such I blatantly dislike you. But there it ends; I do not carry my dislike of you over to the entire forum.

I have made no secret and will not hide the fact I dislike 911 conspirators. I find the whole concept of what is being suggested as ridiculous. But I do not tar everybody here with the same brush. My gripe is with the conspirators, nobody else.

You see if I was to adopt the same approach as labelling the critics as subhuman, I would simply call this entire forum a bunch of tin foilers. I don't, I label you, individually this.

Hope that clears it up for you.

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[DeFecToR]

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