Did BBC World "lose" 9/11 Record of Transmission?

[Pincher]

Under its Charter & Statutes the BBC is required to archive ALL its news and current affairs output. Given the historical significance of the events of 9/11 it is virtually impossible that the relevant tapes could have been 'accidentally lost.'

The unearthed footage is quite a coup for 9/11 truthers. Unfortunately it won't cut much ice with 9/11 deniers. The Kennedy assassination conspiracists have banged on for years that Lee Harvery Oswald's death was reported in the New Zealand press hours before it actually happened.

It looks like the truthers have wrestled the Beeb into a 'Half Nelson' with footage of Jane Standley pouting to camera about WTC 7's (premature) demise. Looks like the BBC's PC brigade prevented the 'Full Nelson' by banning post imperial symbols like the BST clock being plastered across television screens in our former colonies.

If I were Richard Porter I'd try to wriggle out of this using either of the following:

1) That the press release BBC World News received was issued as a result of an internal investigation of WTC 7 by 'structural engineers' (no doubt employed by 'Popular Mechanics') that simply predicted the buildings' imminent collapse.

2) That the footage was in actual fact aired an hour later and that the building behind Standley was not WTC 7.

Porter and co would have a difficult problem with the second 'reason' as they'll have to find a Crankies style 'looky-likey' building to WTC 7.

*I have amended this post. Initially I suggested that sunset on the day took place at 6.23. In fact it took place 50 minutes later. Apologies to all truthers.

[Wokeman]

I know what WTC7 looked like when it's out, and that building behind Janie was WTC7. Promise

[Micpsi]

The webmaster at prisonplanet.com has now discovered the original News 24 footage with the time stamp of 21:54 on it (4.54pm in NY). He has put the new footage up on his site. This proves beyond a shadow of doubt that the BBC News 24 anchor man was reporting receiving news of WTC 7 collapsing 26 minutes before it is known to have happened! This could be possible only if the source of that news KNEW that WTC 7 was going to collapse because it was being demolished. It would hardly have been sent out over the wires as a categorical statement of actual collapse if people had been merely anticipating that it might collapse.

[Micpsi]

Here is the link to Paul Joseph Watson's new article, together with the time-stamped video http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/february2007/280207timestamp.htm

[Jim]

Be a bit careful with the inflamatory claims about individuals' intentions without substantial evidence - have added "?" to the title of this thread.

[MrEguy]

Is the BBC part of the conspiracy? Although it was not being alleged by the individual who discovered the video, that's clearly what Richard Porter is refuting in his response. Funny, that.

In my opinion, the BBC is effectively part of the conspiracy, by virtue of their spreading disinformation on 9/11 and their present attempts to obfuscate the truth.

[paul wright]

[alwun]

Indeed. A source close to the BBC explains that not only do the BBC archive news broadcasts for Charter driven obligations, but that the Beeb records ALL of its daily actual transmission for other reasons, including to store as evidence in potential litigation lawsuits. The daily recording system enjoys the amusing acronym ROT - ie recorded on transmission.
Additionally there exist numerous(many in London) Media Monitoring agencies who exist only to archive live transmissions, including, of course, the BBC. (Such archives will be easily able to pinpoint the times of all transmissions)

Mr Porter is at best being disingenous when he muses wherefore may he find a copy of his lost ROT.

What the BBc fears more than anything - more for example than the scathing, accurate criticisms recently levied at Messrs Smith and Porter, brushed off with bluster and condecension - is litigation. Hence the fastiduous retention of the ROT.

Incidentally, the charter as it stands makes for interesting reading. If the Beeb operated under a regular commercial model, then it would be wide open to litigation under the humble Trades Descriptions Act, if nothing else.

cheers Al..

[Leiff]

[conspiracy analyst]

CNN?

http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=20521

The couldn't make this story up themselves. They got it from other channels.
Sent the reporter to cover the story as it would happen.

They would not know its significance AFTER the event.

Now they are trying to cover up for lost ground and like a thief caught lying once too often come up with ridiculous arguments to backtrack.

[Carlos]

[TonyGosling]

Despite being currently the biggest story on the internet and in the alternative media, the only place in the mainstream the story has appeared is on a small German news website.

BBC Has Lost Tapes Of 21st Century's Defining Moment
http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=20585

[Pincher]

The discovery of the CNN's 'older' footage will, unfortunately, only help the Beeb to wriggle off the hook. The CNN report contans the fateul hedge:'...WTC 7 has collapsed or IS COLLAPSING.' The BBC can then claim that any subsequent press releases or notifications were just so many Chinese whispers.

But listen to the reason given for WTC 7's collapse: falling debris from the twin towers. Of course, this explanation has been airbrushed out of the historical texts. Easy to see why - footage here and of the actual collapse show no discernible damage either to the roof or to the facade of the building. At least the discovery of the damning footage spells the end for Popular Mechanics and their exploding fuel lines tosh. And that is a significant victory.

One final thought: a complaint could be brought against the BBC to the appropriate Parliamentary committee for failing to carry out its duties under its Charter (ie the secure archiving of its news output). A swift letter from a prominent Truther to one Michael Meacher MP should be enough to get this ball rolling.

Are you up for it Mr Gosling?

[karlos]

has anyone considered filing a request under the freedom of information Act?
BBC has an obligation to archive all live transmissions therefore it has the footage.

[andyb]

^ This would be the case for the News 24 stuff, but BBC World is not covered by the charter and is run by corporate sponsorship.

[loosewires]

The BBC will wriggle out of this by claiming it was a mistake - in fact they have already started saying this. If we claim this is "proof" then they will say it shows how ludicrous "conspiracy theorists" are when all it was was a simple mistake - they are saying this too. Therefore, the angle that we should take is "look at how intersting this is." Proof for me is WTC-7 - full stop. This video is just "interesting". Hyping it up is falling into their trap. They may turn around and say that their was an "engneer" who warned them it was about to collapse, and that this also explains how it collapsed (logic is not important). It may be no coincidence that this emerged just as WTC-7 is creating momentum.

[ian neal]

[TonyGosling]

is this hat the once prou broadcaster has come to?

Lies, fraud, bs, insulting everyone's intelligence?

If that's the best they can do with the boss giving a petulant reply then we are winning my friends, we are winning!

Perish the thought that the BBC mightr ever be used by foreign interests to start a war with Iran... because keeping the 9/11 perpetrators under cover points to that motive alone.

[outsider]

[hampton]

this is significant because:

it proves advance knowledge of collapse which the bbc now deny.

it points to a coverup. ie. bbc lost tapes and the google & web archive deletions.

it's an excellent sensational way to raise the profile of wtc7 and the campaign. note, in the media age it's he who gets the story out first who often wins.

we win a battel in the digiwar.
ie. there's 100s of copies still on google video/utube.

[hampton]

if www.bbcworld.com is a seperate entity why is it using the bbc.co.uk website for it's reply?

does this issue appear on the above site?

[GEFBASS]

Well there must be some archives still availiable at the BBC because I found this yesterday.

Newsnight 911 2001,

http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/nol/newsid_4180000/newsid_4184800/4184805 .stm?bw=bb&mp=rm

Stephen Evans bit is interesting. (He mentions bombs going of at one point).

Bearing in mind the time stamped footage from news 24.

Newsnight is shown at 10:30pm

[andrewwatson]

[Pincher]